F1RS 2, is it worth getting it over the 1st one?

Hi. I have F1RS and I really like it. I see that Monaco F1Rs 2 is out. I hear that it is almost the same while others say it is worth getting. Can some people give me some opinions of the second version. I have the demo but it is not enough to judge on. Thanks.

I got both and ... I regret spending the money on a slightly better copy of F1RS. Graphics are 100% the same, only 2 new tracks. And the phisics model is just as bad as F1RS, doesnt feel like the real thing. If you can get a cracked version.. try it, but I wouldn't waste the bucks. GPL is 100 times better. Sammy heeft geschreven in bericht ...

Hey, MGPRS2 is in no way a new version of the game, but rather an update to F1RS....plus a better support in online racing and is supported by game service... Anyway...if you like F1RS and want to give online racing a shot...buy it, if you rather see another game...don't. Regards, Martijn Echten NetRex ***

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>I got both and ... I regret spending the money on a slightly better copy of >F1RS. Graphics are 100% the same, only 2 new tracks. >And the phisics model is just as bad as F1RS, doesnt feel like the real >thing. >If you can get a cracked version.. try it, but I wouldn't waste the bucks. >GPL is 100 times better. >Sammy heeft geschreven in bericht ... >>Hi. >>I have F1RS and I really like it. >>I see that Monaco F1Rs 2 is out. >>I hear that it is almost the same while others say it is worth getting. >>Can some people give me some opinions of the second version. >>I have the demo but it is not enough to judge on. >>Thanks.

I pretty much agree with the viewpoints expressed below. I'll add that there is finally now the full support for RS2 that the original enjoyed, ie a performance editor has been released (www.mgprs2.com). Maybe some are keeping F1RS up-to-date. But if not, and if you want the '99 car liveries, etc, you might have to switch to RS2.

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>Hey, >MGPRS2 is in no way a new version of the game, but rather an update to >F1RS....plus a better support in online racing and is supported by game >service... >Anyway...if you like F1RS and want to give online racing a shot...buy it, if >you rather see another game...don't. >Regards, >Martijn Echten >NetRex *** >>I got both and ... I regret spending the money on a slightly better copy of >>F1RS. Graphics are 100% the same, only 2 new tracks. >>And the phisics model is just as bad as F1RS, doesnt feel like the real >>thing. >>If you can get a cracked version.. try it, but I wouldn't waste the bucks. >>GPL is 100 times better. >>Sammy heeft geschreven in bericht ... >>>Hi. >>>I have F1RS and I really like it. >>>I see that Monaco F1Rs 2 is out. >>>I hear that it is almost the same while others say it is worth getting. >>>Can some people give me some opinions of the second version. >>>I have the demo but it is not enough to judge on. >>>Thanks.

The car models are much more detailed in Monaco RS 2. I didnt like the first one but I like the second one? If you really like the first one you probably wont go wrong with the second, just dont expect it to be lots different. Better in most respects.

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>Hi. >I have F1RS and I really like it. >I see that Monaco F1Rs 2 is out. >I hear that it is almost the same while others say it is worth getting. >Can some people give me some opinions of the second version. >I have the demo but it is not enough to judge on. >Thanks.

ME Echten wrote Im sorry but the multiplayer racing with Ubisoft titles is pretty weak. The Ubisoft Game Service for MGPRS2 is very very bad, I mean.. I had fun for a week or two on it, but you have EXTREME latency problems and car synchronisations with not more than 2-3 cars on the track. It's a very unpleasant online experience. You see the cars suddenly loose synchro and they slow down on the track, just to re-synchro and go from 40 to 200mph in 2seconds. Totally unplayable. It's YEARS away from any multiplayer racing found in per example Papyrus titles. Check out those 2websites for REAL online racing : http://www.nros.com/ using Nascar Racing 2. This is Nascar's 14th division and it's a sanctioned series similar to Winston Cup or Busch Grand National. http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc/ using Grand Prix Legends. This is a great place to look out for GPL online racing, especially because of the 100x~ better client/server multiplayer architecture found in it (up to 20cars on a same track). -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>>It's YEARS away from any multiplayer racing found in per example Papyrus >titles You're kidding, right? David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote >>>It's YEARS away from any multiplayer racing found in per example Papyrus >>titles >You're kidding, right? No Im not kidding. The multiplayer "Game Service" as they call is SOOO bad if you look at it and compare to other services. NROS : 24 cars with almost no warping GPL : 20cars with a "normal" warping and latency. MGPRS2 : 2-3 cars with severe synchro lost, warping everywhere and a limit of 2car in front of you that you can see. I mean SERIOUS ones.. the guy is going on the long straight at Spa.. and the server loose synchro (Im behind him.. and BOOM he stops on the track in 0.1second). It can't think of any prediction code. Nothing. Nadda. Each time you have a slight packet that doesn't reach the server, it completly de-synchronise the server. Very buggy also. the whole start routine is flawled with constant crashes. There's no ranking or statistic system compared to the NROS, and no official racing series like on the NROS neither. Btw David have you ever been on Game Service ? What's your screename ? I never saw you there. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Agreeing with what you say about the online portion of MGPRS2, I find that I actually like the offline racing the more I work at it. The car just feels more "lively" than the car in GP2. More 3D dynamics I suppose? Wayne Hutchison

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>David G Fisher wrote >>>>It's YEARS away from any multiplayer racing found in per example Papyrus >>>titles >>You're kidding, right? >No Im not kidding. The multiplayer "Game Service" as they call is SOOO bad >if you look at it and compare to other services. >NROS : 24 cars with almost no warping >GPL : 20cars with a "normal" warping and latency. >MGPRS2 : 2-3 cars with severe synchro lost, warping everywhere and a limit >of 2car in front of you that you can see. >I mean SERIOUS ones.. the guy is going on the long straight at Spa.. and

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>server loose synchro (Im behind him.. and BOOM he stops on the track in >0.1second). It can't think of any prediction code. Nothing. Nadda. Each >time you have a slight packet that doesn't reach the server, it completly >de-synchronise the server. Very buggy also. the whole start routine is >flawled with constant crashes. There's no ranking or statistic system >compared to the NROS, and no official racing series like on the NROS >neither. >Btw David have you ever been on Game Service ? What's your screename ? I >never saw you there. >-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> >-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ >-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ >-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. >-= May the Downforce be with you... >"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>David G Fisher wrote >>>>It's YEARS away from any multiplayer racing found in per example Papyrus >>>titles >>You're kidding, right? >No Im not kidding. What I meant is that I hope you're kidding about using Papyrus as an example of a leader in multiplayer racing. It's not the people there who do the coding for multiplay that I'm referring to either. David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote So tell me who is the leader in multiplayer racing ? Your talking about Papyrus here.. -Modem racing back in mid-90's -Hawaii in 1995 -The NROS in 1997 -The new client/server for GPL and future titles in 1998 How dare do you even think that there's another company close to them. Ubisoft ? They are behind them of at least 4years (pre-Hawaii quality), Bethesda can't make 2 cars in a straight not warp, and Microsoft has bad warping, probably 3-4 cars max with some severe warping. MS is the only one near, but far far far far away (from any experience on the Zone with C:PR, MTM, MTM2 and MXM). Just because the new game engine from Papyrus is very demanding in terms of I/O from the server, it doesnt mean it's bad. LAN racing is incredible, it will be even more with GPL 1.1 and on the Internet you need to live with the limitation of TCP/IP packets, Internet clogging and bad latency. Still, you never raced on Hawaii, and never raced on the NROS. So tell me.. why do you think they aren't the leader in multiplayer racing ? -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm sure they will have a cure for cancer soon too. You need more experience with other titles. David G Fisher >>How dare do you even think that there's another company close to them.

David G Fisher wrote Hmm, my mother has the cancer. Thanks wow very nice. I don't even know why I bother.. You never experienced neither the NROS or Hawaii, so why continue ? Why don't YOU experience with them no heh ? I did them all, you haven't did them all, so who has the point here ? me. Especially since you snipped all I had to say, it means you have no argument against that, so I have the point. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>David G Fisher wrote >>You need more experience with other titles. >I don't even know why I bother.. You never experienced neither the NROS or >Hawaii, so why continue ? Why don't YOU experience with them no heh ? I tried NROS. I have over 1,000 hours racing online with a number of racing sims/games. Wrong. I know what your opinion will be no matter what I say. There's no way you or any of the other very familiar names on r.a.s. who have hundreds or thousands of hours with Papyrus sims are now going to say anything but.............what you do. Why debate with someone when you already know the outcome? David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote Really ? under what screename ? when ? how was your experience? I have thousands of hours at all the other titles. I spent alot of time in F1RS/MGPRS2, the same goes for Grand Prix 2 (probably the most spent sim time if we take out the NROS). Oh and I had less time, but still raced alot titles like Viper Racing, TOCA, C:PR, MTM, etc.. Stop thinking we only race Papyrus sims. Of course they are the company that leads the industry in racing simulators for the PC, but that doesn't mean we only race them. STOP over-generalysing. I was just stating facts.. it's you that said "no it's false". Sorry but it's not false, since you haven't still told us why do you think that Papyrus is not the leader in multiplayer racing, the same company who did huge and giant step in that with Hawaii and the NROS. And since you think they aren't, who is ? -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> David G Fisher wrote > >I'm sure they will have a cure for cancer soon too. > Hmm, my mother has the cancer. Thanks wow very nice. Very classy DGF. He has no interest in debate. He will continue to make his close-minded assertions and ignore all rational thought presented to him. Still, he's very effective at annoying and I have a hard time ignoring him :) -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

>>You need more experience with other titles. >Coming from someone who hasn't even tried TEN/NROS, the words "pot", >"kettle" and "black" spring to mind. Wrong. I have. I thought you put me on your "ignore" list because I said you swerve all over the track? David G Fisher GPL is an excellent sim.

>>Wrong. I have. >What was your screen name then? I only ask because previously you said that >you hadn't tried it. Given your record I have little inclination to believe >anything that you say without supporting evidence. So now I'm a liar too? When people like you tell r.a.s. that I constantly criticize GPL unfairly when in actuality I have posted virtually nothing about it for three months, who's a liar? More likely your insecurity led you to do that. Oh no. You can take your "lying" comments and shove them up your a** Richard. Your lap did look good. I was being polite to you in a private e-mail. I never have, and never will, tell someone privately that something they are very PROUD of wasn't that good. You did seem proud of it when you sent it to me. Your lap WAS very good compared to others. It didn't look like the AI , but it was good. What I believe I also said to you at a later date was that Spa is the one track in GPL where a person has the best chance to be smooth due to it's layout (long sweeping turns). You know that. We all know that. Maybe that's why you chose that track to send to me? It's something I considered at the time, but didn't feel the need to make accusations since your letter was (pretending to be) friendly. By the way, I did notice that you ripped me immediately afterwards on r.a.s. I guess you thought you set me up real good, huh? Be polite and friendly to someone privately, get a polite and friendly response in return (as you should), and then use it against them (like today). You're so clever. I hate to burst your bubble, but other than the same ten guys (you included) who cry about my posts regarding GPL(as infrequent as they are), no one else ever has a complaint about me. I don't recall ever receiving anything but polite responses from fans of all the other sims discussed at r.a.s. or at other forums. No MGPRS2 fans (for example) seem to ever have a problem with anything I say. I am on very friendly terms with some of the same people in the sim community who you are surely very familiar with. We exchange ideas all the time. We've raced often. We've beta tested together. They appreciate my opinions and I absolutely enjoy and appreciate theirs, and learn from them. I'll soon be beta testing a very promising sim which is to be released later this year (you'll surely hate it if I end up liking it) and also have received an offer recently to do some level design work for another sim developer. Three different developers/publishers seem to think I can be helpful in some small way regardless of how ten guys at r.a.s. feel about me. It's really only (as I keep saying) the same ten guys at r.a.s. who have been attacking my posts ever since CPR was released and trying to discredit what I say. So sensitive. Strange. I don't see the point of this endeavor but if you kids enjoy it, feel free. It's quite funny at times. I do feel sorry though for others who receive the same crap. They seem to actually get upset about it. "As usual" I'll make you happy and say the answer is, of course, GPL. Cheers, David G Fisher GPL is an excellent sim.

David G Fisher wrote You still never said what was your screename, or at least how was your experience with the NROS, the leader in online multiplayer racing... created by Papyrus.. who did also a huge step back with N1 by creating the Hawaii multiplayer system.. who is also leading by creating a whole new client/server architecture for their new game engine, patching it greatly for GPL 1.1 to make it even better... And you still haven't answered my posts... -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."