Fast Brabham?

As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? -- ========================================================= John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html IGPS (Season 2) Director http://207.104.111.77/igps2/igps2.html If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

First. FORGET ABOUT THE SPEED!! Second: How long have you been running the Brabham? I ran the Ferrari ever since it hit the market. I did a LOT of 1:20s. Maybe for about a month. Then I started to tinker with the chassis and was able to hit a bunch of 1::09s. The next thing I did was just run and run and run that same setup till I knew the right way to drive. By then I was hitting the 1:07s and knew what my problems were. Now I'm bouncing around the 1:06 to 1:05s. After I get settled in again I can only assume that I'll be doing regularly low 1:04s. You can't go fast with out a whole lot of track time. Third: Speed is secondary to survival. 10,000mph laps ain't no good if you can only last one or two laps. Learn to survive first and the speeds will slowly follow. Mike Barlow

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> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My > best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you > make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be > content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? > -- > ========================================================= > John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html > John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector > http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html > IGPS (Season 2) Director > http://207.104.111.77/igps2/igps2.html > If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's > shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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says... I kind of already gathered that after putting in 40 or 50 laps at Monza. I guess I can't complain as the 1:31.14 is less than 2 seconds slower than my best time with an Eagle (which I've been driving since GPL was released last October). After a full season in IGPS driving the Eagle, I (and the other two of the top three drivers - both driving the Lotus) decided to try our luck in what we consider to be chassis of lesser capability for the next season in that league. the other two drivers switched to Coventry and BRM. I personally don't consider the Coventry to be as much of a "lesser" chassis as the BRM, Honda, or Brabham), because in the hands of a very good driver, it can outrun most Lotus, Ferrari or Eagles on any given circuit, but I guess we'll see. I picked the Brabham because of it's reputation for durability (I blew the engine in the Eagle in three races last season). For a few days (see 1st paragraph above). I'm going to assume you're talking about Watkins Glen. Haven't tried the Brabham there yet. Don't mean to sound like a smart-ass, but "Duh..." - :-) Again, "Duh..." :-) >>As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually >exclusive terms. My best lap at Monza in this chassis is a >>rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you make this car fast? >>Should I keep working on the car or simply be content with >>the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? -- ========================================================= John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html IGPS (Season 2) Director http://207.104.111.77/igps2/igps2.html If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I don't know about aother Brab drivers, but here's my $0.02: I have driven the Brabham almost exclusively since GPL was released. I can now finish in the top 5 at most tracks (not Spa!) on VROC. I find the Brab responds well to a loose setup. It needs to be drifted on the throttle more other cars I have tried (tho I haven't hit the times of others in those cars, maybe that was my problem!). As described on Schwabe's site, it can be tempting to dial in understeer with the ARBs to tame the rear end, however it becomes twitchy. I like to stiffen the rear and let it slide early, keeping revs up to give better control of the rears. I can consistently lap the Glen at 1:07 during racing, which is enough to be competitive. I can get into the 1:06s in qualifying. I have not even come close to the 1:05/1:04 times of others.....maybe I'm spending too much time in VROC and not enough testing! I also found the 250GTO sound sample from Patrick lowered my lap times - throttle incentive! Enuf rambling anyway. Later, Ben

I can't bring myself to crawl into the twitchy little beast for a real race, but Dave Schwabe sure gets around nicely in his, and if memory serves, Chris Cavin was pushing 3:18's in one in an NTT race at Spa(!) the other night. Smoked MY Lotus-drivin' butt. Just push down harder on that right pedal. :-) Cheers, Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

1:29 at Monza, but Monza and Spa aren't suitable for Brabham. 1:45.74 at Mexico though :-) 1:26 Monaco 1:04 Glen Tadej Krevh // Brabham is quick -> but you must point it and shoot out of the corners :-))

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> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My > best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you > make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be > content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? > -- > ========================================================= > John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html > John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector > http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html > IGPS (Season 2) Director > http://207.104.111.77/igps2/igps2.html > If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's > shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:26:49 +0100, Tadej Krevh >1:29 at Monza, but Monza and Spa aren't suitable for Brabham. >1:45.74 at Mexico though :-) >1:26 Monaco >1:04 Glen I must have run a couple of hundred laps at the Glen by now, but my best time is still 1.06.70 (with a T2 wheel, one axis for throttle/brake) (in a Lotus, mind you). The pots are a bit shaky (the wheel is about 2 or 3 years old) and ofcourse just the 1 axis. Now what would an average improvement be like when I got the 2 axes? Ofcourse I'd like to know if I could get 1:04 times at the Glen too (standing next to Tadej, Ian, Wolfgang etc on the heights of racing ;-). Be a Schumacher, which ofcourse, we all want to be (in racing terms I mean). Are there 2 seconds to gain using seperate axes? Any people that observed their improvements after moving from 1 to 2 axes? (or other wheels) >> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My >> best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you >> make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be >> content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

My lap times have been suffering lately. Mostly doe to making the wrong last second chassis change. Either way, my fastest at the glen is one lap at 1:04.x at that time I was coming into the 90 when I thought.. "did I just make a lap? "I don't remember going through the loop at all." With every fast lap of 1:05 I say the same thing.. I've been told that you have to be "IN THE ZONE" to make fast consistent laps. I never knew what that ment till then. If you try to make a fast lap odds are you're wont. If you take the car out for a sunday drive, odds are you'll be making lap records. It's a bit off your topic, but I figured.... Mike Barlow

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> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:26:49 +0100, Tadej Krevh > >1:29 at Monza, but Monza and Spa aren't suitable for Brabham. > >1:45.74 at Mexico though :-) > >1:26 Monaco > >1:04 Glen > I must have run a couple of hundred laps at the Glen by now, but my > best time is still 1.06.70 (with a T2 wheel, one axis for > throttle/brake) (in a Lotus, mind you). The pots are a bit shaky (the > wheel is about 2 or 3 years old) and ofcourse just the 1 axis. Now > what would an average improvement be like when I got the 2 axes? > Ofcourse I'd like to know if I could get 1:04 times at the Glen too > (standing next to Tadej, Ian, Wolfgang etc on the heights of racing > ;-). Be a Schumacher, which ofcourse, we all want to be (in racing > terms I mean). > Are there 2 seconds to gain using seperate axes? Any people that > observed their improvements after moving from 1 to 2 axes? (or other > wheels) > >> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My > >> best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you > >> make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be > >> content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

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Um, Sasa and I use the same FlightStick joystick and are both in the 1:04s... So it's not absolutely necessary. But I can't help believe that it would help you out. I'm almost done with my wheel/pedal project, so I will let you know if or how much it helps. Try the setup from my site or go to http://gpl.gamesmania.com and get some from the Brabham site on the Fastlap page. --Dave

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> I must have run a couple of hundred laps at the Glen by now, but my > best time is still 1.06.70 (with a T2 wheel, one axis for > throttle/brake) (in a Lotus, mind you). The pots are a bit shaky (the > wheel is about 2 or 3 years old) and ofcourse just the 1 axis. Now > what would an average improvement be like when I got the 2 axes? > Ofcourse I'd like to know if I could get 1:04 times at the Glen too > (standing next to Tadej, Ian, Wolfgang etc on the heights of racing > ;-). Be a Schumacher, which ofcourse, we all want to be (in racing > terms I mean). > Are there 2 seconds to gain using seperate axes? Any people that > observed their improvements after moving from 1 to 2 axes? (or other > wheels) > >> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My > >> best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you > >> make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be > >> content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Hi ! I use completely the same equipment as you do. 2 years old T2, but with replaced pots. I use one axis for throttle/brake. There is not much to be gained IMO. Especially when I use about 54% brake ratio which makes trail-braking very hard, if not impossible. Also I don't like the idea of trail braking. I like to use clean racing lines because I think they're the fastest way around the circuit. Cheers, Tadej Krevh

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> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:26:49 +0100, Tadej Krevh > >1:29 at Monza, but Monza and Spa aren't suitable for Brabham. > >1:45.74 at Mexico though :-) > >1:26 Monaco > >1:04 Glen > I must have run a couple of hundred laps at the Glen by now, but my > best time is still 1.06.70 (with a T2 wheel, one axis for > throttle/brake) (in a Lotus, mind you). The pots are a bit shaky (the > wheel is about 2 or 3 years old) and ofcourse just the 1 axis. Now > what would an average improvement be like when I got the 2 axes? > Ofcourse I'd like to know if I could get 1:04 times at the Glen too > (standing next to Tadej, Ian, Wolfgang etc on the heights of racing > ;-). Be a Schumacher, which ofcourse, we all want to be (in racing > terms I mean). > Are there 2 seconds to gain using seperate axes? Any people that > observed their improvements after moving from 1 to 2 axes? (or other > wheels) > >> As near as I can tell, these two words are mutually exclusive terms. My > >> best lap at Monza in this chassis is a rather sedate 1:31.14. How do you > >> make this car fast? Should I keep working on the car or simply be > >> content with the knowledge that the car just isn't that quick? > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery