monza engine woes

I race VROC (GPL) and have had a rash of blown motors in the intermediate short races at Monza. I have the same problem while driving my Brabham or Lotus. In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns in second gear. How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? Jeff "Flex" Flechsing LTO Motorsports -- Jeff "Flex" Flechsing LTO Motorsports

Hi Jeff I do the Lesmos in second, accelerating to 120mph at least between them. You just have to avoid over-revving that engine!! I used to blow a lot, but I now shift up about 500 rpm below redline, and hardly ever blow up now, except when over-e***d (e.g. chasing someone!). My lap times are as good or better than before. Above Novice level the Cosworth is very fragile. I don't know the Brabham. Try making your second gear a bit taller. hope this helps Tim

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>I race VROC (GPL) and have had a rash of blown motors in the intermediate >short races at Monza. I have the same problem while driving my Brabham or >Lotus. > In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns >in second gear. > How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? >Jeff "Flex" Flechsing >LTO Motorsports >-- >Jeff "Flex" Flechsing >LTO Motorsports

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> >I race VROC (GPL) and have had a rash of blown motors in the intermediate > >short races at Monza. I have the same problem while driving my Brabham or > >Lotus. > > In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns > >in second gear. > > How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? > >Jeff "Flex" Flechsing > >LTO Motorsports

Hi Jeff, In a race, I snick 3rd for an instant, qual stay in 2nd, but then I nearly expect the motor to blow after 10 laps or so. Have raced Monza Pro races for 1 hour np:) Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

% I race VROC (GPL) and have had a rash of blown motors in the intermediate % short races at Monza. I have the same problem while driving my Brabham or % Lotus. % In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns % in second gear. % How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? I lengthened 2nd to the point where I am at about max revs just before braking for Lesmo 2. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns >in second gear. >How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? I for one always use 2nd gear between the Lesmos and I must say I can't recall having engine worries at Monza in ages. Last Sunday I even had the pleasure of winning the IGPLC Formula 1 race, whilch lasted for about 1 hour (42 laps) using *Realistic* damage (GP-level) The fact that I run a 10/30 Differiental might have son\mething to do with it tho. :-) -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

10/30 differential? I thought 30 was the lowest you could go. Jesse

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| | |>In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns |>in second gear. |>How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? | | |I for one always use 2nd gear between the Lesmos and I must say I can't |recall having engine worries at Monza in ages. |Last Sunday I even had the pleasure of winning the IGPLC Formula 1 race, |whilch lasted for about 1 hour (42 laps) using *Realistic* damage

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| | |The fact that I run a 10/30 Differiental might have son\mething to do with |it tho. :-) | |-- |All the best, |Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* |The Paddock - a legendary site.... |<http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> | |

You are lifting off the throttle to shift, aren't you? Yes, of course you are. I blow regularly at Monza and Spa in the Eagle. I take both Lesmos and Parabolica in second gear and I do not shift up to 3rd between the two Lesmos. Cheers, Paul

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> I race VROC (GPL) and have had a rash of blown motors in the intermediate > short races at Monza. I have the same problem while driving my Brabham or > Lotus. > In between the lesmos I rev the engine pretty high as I run those turns > in second gear. > How many of you just use third gear for the Lesmos? > Jeff "Flex" Flechsing > LTO Motorsports > -- > Jeff "Flex" Flechsing > LTO Motorsports

Sorry... that should have been a 10/31 differiental. -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> >10/30 differential? I thought 30 was the lowest you could go.

Unlike apparently everyone else here, I take both Lesmos in 3rd. Mind you, my best at Monza in the Lotus is only 131.95. I just like to stay on the track and in control, and I find that using 3rd keeps the arse from sliding out so easily when you accelerate out of the turns. I also regularly run intermediate short races without damaging the engine. My 2 cents worth. Zog -- Don't let the bastards grind you down. Doug Schneider Bedford, Nova Scotia Canada

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> Unlike apparently everyone else here, I take both Lesmos in 3rd. Mind > you, my best at Monza in the Lotus is only 131.95. I just like to stay > on the track and in control, and I find that using 3rd keeps the arse > from sliding out so easily when you accelerate out of the turns. I also > regularly run intermediate short races without damaging the engine. My > 2 cents worth. > Zog

This is a good strategy, but if you want to be really consistently quick (running low to mid 28s), you'll have to use 2nd, even if you short shift, to get the revs up faster. It *is* possible ro run 2nd and shift. From racing in the IGPLC, what the fast guys do is hard, but I believe Lesmo1 is sacrificed - a late and fast entry to keep the speed up through the turn. Max speed between the two Lesmos isn't that important, it's your exit from 2 that counts. Stay in 3rd, and you'll be outdragged after Lesmo2.. Also, a too slow entry into 1, and you'll be outbraked, which is highly unlikely into 2, since everybody wants speed down the straights....ahh racing, don't you love it! :-) Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:07:54 +0100, Matthew Knutsen

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>> Unlike apparently everyone else here, I take both Lesmos in 3rd. Mind >> you, my best at Monza in the Lotus is only 131.95. I just like to stay >> on the track and in control, and I find that using 3rd keeps the arse >> from sliding out so easily when you accelerate out of the turns. I also >> regularly run intermediate short races without damaging the engine. My >> 2 cents worth. >This is a good strategy, but if you want to be really consistently quick >(running low to mid 28s), you'll have to use 2nd, even if you short >shift, to get the revs up faster. It *is* possible ro run 2nd and shift. >From racing in the IGPLC, what the fast guys do is hard, but I believe >Lesmo1 is sacrificed - a late and fast entry to keep the speed up >through the turn. Max speed between the two Lesmos isn't that important, >it's your exit from 2 that counts. Stay in 3rd, and you'll be outdragged >after Lesmo2..

Well I'm using 3rd gear in both Lesmos. My best is 1:27.37 so it isn't actually very slow. Maybe I could go faster after tweaking the gear ratios and taking the Lesmos in second but Monza is such a boring track that I've never bothered. :) -- Greger Huttu

hehe... I agree Gregor. I am a little behind at Monza because I just don't find it all that enjoyable... I'll have to practice there more prior to the next GPLWS race there! :-) --Dave > Maybe I could go faster after tweaking the gear ratios and taking the > Lesmos in second but Monza is such a boring track that I've never > bothered. :) > -- > Greger Huttu -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Well. If I go back to using 2nd through the Lesmos I'm gonna have to use a taller second gear, when I hit the short straight between them it's on the floor and at the redline. I accept that straight line speed at this point might not be crucial, but when you've got AI swarming around you like a pack of flies you want to get through there and still keep up the pace, and I can't seem to keep my foot off the floor on that short straight. And sure enough after a few laps of that the engine's coughing it's guts up. Exiting Lesmo 2 in 2nd is also an acquired skill, as you have to "apply" throttle at the perfect rate, you can't just bang it on, otherwise you get that *** little swerve which kills all the speed you wanted to pick up in the first place. As for the elusive "late and fast entry" into Lesmo 1, I'm still completely in the dark as to where and when to brake, either everyone sails by or I'm locking up all four as I smoke it into the wall. God, it's great. Zog

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> > Unlike apparently everyone else here, I take both Lesmos in 3rd. Mind > > you, my best at Monza in the Lotus is only 131.95. I just like to stay > > on the track and in control, and I find that using 3rd keeps the arse > > from sliding out so easily when you accelerate out of the turns. I also > > regularly run intermediate short races without damaging the engine. My > > 2 cents worth. > > Zog > This is a good strategy, but if you want to be really consistently quick > (running low to mid 28s), you'll have to use 2nd, even if you short > shift, to get the revs up faster. It *is* possible ro run 2nd and shift. > From racing in the IGPLC, what the fast guys do is hard, but I believe > Lesmo1 is sacrificed - a late and fast entry to keep the speed up > through the turn. Max speed between the two Lesmos isn't that important, > it's your exit from 2 that counts. Stay in 3rd, and you'll be outdragged > after Lesmo2.. > Also, a too slow entry into 1, and you'll be outbraked, which is highly > unlikely into 2, since everybody wants speed down the straights....ahh > racing, don't you love it! :-) > Matt > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Matthew Knutsen > "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons > www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm > -----------------------------------------

-- Don't let the bastards grind you down. Doug Schneider Bedford, Nova Scotia Canada

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> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:07:54 +0100, Matthew Knutsen > >> Unlike apparently everyone else here, I take both Lesmos in 3rd. Mind > >> you, my best at Monza in the Lotus is only 131.95. I just like to stay > >> on the track and in control, and I find that using 3rd keeps the arse > >> from sliding out so easily when you accelerate out of the turns. I also > >> regularly run intermediate short races without damaging the engine. My > >> 2 cents worth. > >This is a good strategy, but if you want to be really consistently quick > >(running low to mid 28s), you'll have to use 2nd, even if you short > >shift, to get the revs up faster. It *is* possible ro run 2nd and shift. > >From racing in the IGPLC, what the fast guys do is hard, but I believe > >Lesmo1 is sacrificed - a late and fast entry to keep the speed up > >through the turn. Max speed between the two Lesmos isn't that important, > >it's your exit from 2 that counts. Stay in 3rd, and you'll be outdragged > >after Lesmo2.. > Well I'm using 3rd gear in both Lesmos. My best is 1:27.37 so it isn't > actually very slow.

LOL! Hehe, I know GH..but your driving style is just raw:-) Boring? I think Monza is great for online races. It really is surprising to watch replays, and compare them. Driving styles are very different, and still lap times are close... Racing on VROC one particular race, a mate was doing exactly the same laptimes as me, but we nearly crashed every lap at two spots; T1 and Para. He nearly hit me in the middle of T1, while I zoomed past him in Parabolica. And our straightline speeds were exactly the same... And those were laps in the 27.7-28.1 bracket! good stuff:-) Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

>> Maybe I could go faster after tweaking the gear ratios and taking the >> Lesmos in second but Monza is such a boring track that I've never >> bothered. :) >hehe... I agree Gregor. I am a little behind at Monza because I just >don't find it all that enjoyable... I'll have to practice there more >prior to the next GPLWS race there! :-) Yeah, same here. Maybe the Eagle could be a good choice for Monza and especially Spa. -- Greger Huttu

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> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:07:54 +0100, Matthew Knutsen >> Maybe I could go faster after tweaking the gear ratios and taking the >> Lesmos in second but Monza is such a boring track that I've never >> bothered. :) >Hehe, I know GH..but your driving style is just raw:-) >Boring? I think Monza is great for online races. It really is surprising >to watch >replays, and compare them. Driving styles are very different, and still >lap times are >close... >Racing on VROC one particular race, a mate was doing exactly the same >laptimes as me, >but we nearly crashed every lap at two spots; T1 and Para. >He nearly hit me in the middle of T1, while I zoomed past him in >Parabolica. >And our straightline speeds were exactly the same... >And those were laps in the 27.7-28.1 bracket! >good stuff:-)

I'm falling asleep on those straights. It's the same with Spa. I really don't like these tracks. Spa has some nice corners but there are too many straights and they are just too long. :) I like Rouen and Zandvoort much more. Online racing is of course different, usually at Monza you get close battles for position. My driving style is _raw_? :) -- Greger Huttu

> snip < > I like Rouen and Zandvoort much more. Online racing is of course > different, usually at Monza you get close battles for position. My > driving style is _raw_? :) We agree again Gregor!! :-) Rouen has it's share of straights, but is VERY challenging. And IMHO, Zandy is the most FUN track in GPL... the Ring is my favorite, because of its complexity and just the fact that Papy DID it... but Zandy is my favorite for fun! Let the sliding commence!! :-) --Dave -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Same here :-) Rouen, Zandvoort and the Ring are my three faves too! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:33:49 +0000, Graeme Nash >>We agree again Gregor!! :-) >Same here :-) Rouen, Zandvoort and the Ring are my three faves too! Here are mine: 1. Ring 2. Zandvoort 3. Rouen 4. Mosport 5. Kyalami 6. Watking Glen 7. Spa 8. Silverstone 9. Monza 10. Monaco 11. Mexico -- Greger Huttu

Hey Greger! Hmm, for me it's something like this.... 1. Rouen 2. Ring 3. Zandvoort 4. Spa 5. Monza 6. Watkins Glen 7. Silverstone 8. Kyalami - Although it'll move up the list when I do a 1m18 :-) 9. Mexico 10. Mosport 11. Monaco Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 "The trick is to find the right place, and then just wait for the right time..."

<Znib> And for me, anything except Monaco. Remco

My list : 1 Ring 2 Ring 3 Ring :) -- Ren van Lobberegt, The Netherlands. Personal site : http://www.toptown.com/INNERCIRCLE/1846/ AMCA web master : http://www.amcaracing.nl/

On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:43:05 +0100, Graeme Nash >>10. Monaco >10. Mosport You don't like Mosport? I really like those up & downhills. It's really great when you get the setup right and just fly down the hill, then two slow corners and then full throttle uphill section and a little jump at the braking point. Great! :) -- Greger Huttu

No, I just find it really hard to stay on the track. My concentration on just keeping the car pointing the right way takes away all the enjoyment of chucking the car through the turns. It's a nightmare for league races where you need to stay on to win! Oh, and Kyalami has moved up my list because at last I ran a 1m18 :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 ________________________________________________________________________________ "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" (Calvin & Hobbes)

God, I hate Mosport! You can never stay on that damn track, even in the BRM! Nburgring is much much much easier than that hellhole! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:26:43 +0100, Graeme Nash >>You don't like Mosport? >No, I just find it really hard to stay on the track. My concentration on >just keeping the car pointing the right way takes away all the enjoyment >of chucking the car through the turns. It's a nightmare for league races >where you need to stay on to win! Yeah, it's hard at least until you find a good setup. I won the FGPLC there, and it was fun. :) Congratulations! I wonder when somebody will do a 1:17.xx. :) Monaco moved to bottom of my list after last night's NTT race. My car was just all over the place during the race and eventually I finished second. It's the most demanding race because you just can't rest! Acceleration, braking, turn-in and so on. And the car just doesn't want to keep straight under acceleration. I just don't like the damn place! :) Hopefully tonight's race goes better. -- Greger Huttu

> God, I hate Mosport! You can never stay on that damn track, even in the BRM! > Nburgring is much much much easier than that hellhole! Different strokes, I guess. I really enjoy Mosport and don't have much trouble keeping it on the track - well, except for going into that last sequence of turns after the long straight. It's pretty tough to hit that rise, get on the brakes as your car is settling down, and make the right hand turn. Now, Monaco, that's another story. Dave Ewing

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>On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:33:49 +0000, Graeme Nash >>>We agree again Gregor!! :-) >>Same here :-) Rouen, Zandvoort and the Ring are my three faves too! >Here are mine: >1. Ring >2. Zandvoort >3. Rouen >4. Mosport >5. Kyalami >6. Watking Glen >7. Spa >8. Silverstone >9. Monza >10. Monaco >11. Mexico >-- >Greger Huttu

I see that the better drivers seem to prefer the more twisty tracks... Me? I can't STAND Zandvoort and Monaco. I think I've done *maybe* 7 laps at the Ring. Obviously, I'm not that good yet. My favorite is Spa, but I'm slow there. I like Watkins and Silverstone, and run Monza to build confidence... :) I haven't done enough laps at the other tracks to comment. I got hooked on Starcraft, so I haven't played *any* GPL recently... Gotta dust off the wheel... <g> Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Huttu) writes: >>Here are mine: >>1. Ring >>2. Zandvoort >>3. Rouen >>4. Mosport >>5. Kyalami >>6. Watking Glen >>7. Spa >>8. Silverstone >>9. Monza >>10. Monaco >>11. Mexico >I see that the better drivers seem to prefer the more twisty tracks... Me? I >can't STAND Zandvoort and Monaco. I think I've done *maybe* 7 laps at the >Ring. Obviously, I'm not that good yet. My favorite is Spa, but I'm slow >there. I like Watkins and Silverstone, and run Monza to build confidence... :) > I haven't done enough laps at the other tracks to comment. I got hooked on >Starcraft, so I haven't played *any* GPL recently... Gotta dust off the >wheel... <g>

I can't stand Monaco either but driving at Zandvoort is one of the best experiences in GPL. Those fast turns after Scheivlak are just fantastic. Taken in 3rd / 4th gear and driving between those sand dunes is really great but you have to have a pretty good setup to be able to enjoy this. If you have a bad setup, it's hell. :) On the twister tracks like Zandvoort and Rouen I find it much easier to get into the "groove" than in, say, Monza & Spa where you just go straight then turn for a moment and then again you're on a long straight. Kinda like ovals. :) And Silverstone is just boring, too flat and dull corners. But these boring tracks come alive when you're racing online, completely different experience. -- Greger Huttu

Yes, Greger, I agree... online, I think Silverstone is one of the better *race* tracks out there... offline, it is so-so. And I wholeheartadly agree on Zandvoort... the most *fun* in GPL! (tho the Ring is the best track). --Dave SNIP > And Silverstone is just boring, too flat and dull corners. But these > boring tracks come alive when you're racing online, completely > different experience. > -- > Greger Huttu -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

1. Monza 2. Watkins Glen 3. Spa 4. Nburgring 5. Zandvoort 6. Silverstone 7. Monaco 8. Rouen 9. Kyalami 10. Mosport 11. Mexico City You can tell I'm a rookie... heh. God, Silverstone is boring! And I mean, why is Mexico so damn annoying? There's just something about that hellhole that pisses me off!

: 1. Monza : 2. Watkins Glen : 3. Spa : 4. Nburgring : 5. Zandvoort : 6. Silverstone : 7. Monaco : 8. Rouen : 9. Kyalami : 10. Mosport : 11. Mexico City My favourite track for online racing has to be Mosport. I haven't driven some of the others online yet, but even in novice length races so much happens that it's hard to even catch your breath. ;-) Also, because of the difficult nature of the track it's very easy to put the guy in front of you under pressure and force him into an error by trying to go fast, and you have a good chance in the not-so-powerful cars like the Coventry, too. Cheers, Uwe

My Turn on favorite tracks... 1. The Ring (tho at 8:20ish laps I have a LOT of work to do there) 2. Zandvoort 3. Watkins Glen 4. Mosport 5. Silverstone 6. Rouen 7. Spa 8. Kyalami (tie) 8. Monaco (tie) 10. Monza 11. Mexico... I agree that Mexico is a dump... but maybe if I spend some more time there and crack off some decent times, I will like it... but probably not. > 11. Mexico City > And I mean, > why is Mexico so damn annoying? There's just something about that hellhole > that pisses me off! -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Yes Uwe, Mosport is a terrific track. As you indicate, it is EXTREMELY unforgiving, maybe the most unforgiving in GPL. I think the Ring is ultimately less forgiving, but at Mosport your opportunities to***up seem more prevelent because you get around the place less than 1:30. At Mosport, smoothness and restraint is your friend, like you say. Unlike some other tracks, you really need to race the track first and the other racers second. Hope to see you there sometime Uwe! :-) -_Dave

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> My favourite track for online racing has to be Mosport. I haven't > driven some of the others online yet, but even in novice length races > so much happens that it's hard to even catch your breath. ;-) Also, > because of the difficult nature of the track it's very easy to put the > guy in front of you under pressure and force him into an error by > trying to go fast, and you have a good chance in the not-so-powerful > cars like the Coventry, too. > Cheers, > Uwe

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

God, I need to try online racing sometime...

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>> And Silverstone is just boring, too flat and dull corners. But these >> boring tracks come alive when you're racing online, completely >> different experience. >Yes, Greger, I agree... online, I think Silverstone is one of the better >*race* tracks out there... offline, it is so-so. And I wholeheartadly >agree on Zandvoort... the most *fun* in GPL! (tho the Ring is the best >track).

I haven't raced Silverstone online for ages but I can remember that I've had quite a few close battles there. Maybe it just isn't so hard track that you will get good battles there like in Monza. Zandvoort is just the opposite, it's so easy to slip a little wide and then you're going to have a roller-coaster ride. :) Ring.. in some parts is so satisfying to throw the car around that even if you know you'll crash soon you just can't slow down. And when you complete a really good hotlap without errors you're almost as exhausted as after a long race at Monaco! Isn't GPL fantastic? :) -- Greger Huttu

in a word... YES!:-) --Dave

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> Ring.. in some parts is so satisfying to throw the car around that > even if you know you'll crash soon you just can't slow down. And when > you complete a really good hotlap without errors you're almost as > exhausted as after a long race at Monaco! Isn't GPL fantastic? :) > -- > Greger Huttu

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Send down some ice water, would you? It's REAL hot down here in hell... <g> For me, Zandvoort is a low-traction rollercoaster. If I drive in granny mode, I can get around the track, but as soon as I get up ANY speed, the car is too light to grip the track. Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, Zandvoort is soooo much fun for me! Too bad I'm a little off pace (1:30 my best lap) But you just need to have confidence in the car, trust that it won't slide off road. It really helps

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> Huttu) writes: > >I can't stand Monaco either but driving at Zandvoort is one of the > >best experiences in GPL. Those fast turns after Scheivlak are just > >fantastic. Taken in 3rd / 4th gear and driving between those sand > >dunes is really great but you have to have a pretty good setup to be > >able to enjoy this. If you have a bad setup, it's hell. :) > Send down some ice water, would you? It's REAL hot down here in hell... <g> > For me, Zandvoort is a low-traction rollercoaster. If I drive in granny mode, > I can get around the track, but as soon as I get up ANY speed, the car is too > light to grip the track.

I think Zandvoort is one of the most fun circuits to drive, especially those fourth gear right handers between the dunes on the back (as Greger mentioned). The trick is to lift a tad and give the wheel a slight flick to get a bit of drift on entry. When you get it right, it "feels" great! I tested Ali's setup on the Brabham there last night and had a blast (1:29.22 - not great, but decent for me). Dave Ewing

OK, I'm just curious, but how bad is a 1:30 at Mosport? That seems like the fastest I can go... Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

Dan, i turned my PB 123.7 last night and am still a couple of seconds of the pace Tony > OK, I'm just curious, but how bad is a 1:30 at Mosport? That seems like the > fastest I can go... > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited

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>> Huttu) writes: >> >I can't stand Monaco either but driving at Zandvoort is one of the >> >best experiences in GPL. Those fast turns after Scheivlak are just >> >fantastic. Taken in 3rd / 4th gear and driving between those sand >> >dunes is really great but you have to have a pretty good setup to be >> >able to enjoy this. If you have a bad setup, it's hell. :) >> Send down some ice water, would you? It's REAL hot down here in hell... <g> >> For me, Zandvoort is a low-traction rollercoaster. If I drive in granny mode, >> I can get around the track, but as soon as I get up ANY speed, the car is too >> light to grip the track. >I think Zandvoort is one of the most fun circuits to drive, especially those >fourth gear right handers between the dunes on the back (as Greger mentioned). >The trick is to lift a tad and give the wheel a slight flick to get a bit of drift >on entry. When you get it right, it "feels" great! I tested Ali's setup on the >Brabham there last night and had a blast (1:29.22 - not great, but decent for me).

Yeah, that slight lift just before turning / while turning in is very important along with a good setup. As you said David, when you get it right, it's just *awesome*. I don't get that feeling on other tracks, except for Rouen in those first few corners and at Nrburgring. I haven't tried the Brabham at Zandy yet. I'll have to try it with a good setup and I'm sure it will be as fun as with the Lotus. -- Greger Huttu

Which car? World records are below 1:20 now and my PB is 1:20.00 in the Lotus naturally. I think Mosport is a little like Zandvoort. When you get the track nailed and have a good setup your time will drop *fast*. Try downloading some replays and you will notice where you're losing the time. -- Greger Huttu

To be rocket quick.. you got 10 seconds to go if you're in the Lotus... 8 seconds needed to be quick... 6 seconds to be decent. -_Dave > OK, I'm just curious, but how bad is a 1:30 at Mosport? That seems like the > fastest I can go... > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

OK, I was wrong, my best is a 1:27. I can't seem to find a handle on my favorite car there yet (yes.... the Lotus...). Matter of fact, the only car I can get to stick there is the Ferrari.... I need some serious help! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

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>I think Zandvoort is one of the most fun circuits to drive, especially those >fourth gear right handers between the dunes on the back (as Greger >mentioned). >The trick is to lift a tad and give the wheel a slight flick to get a bit of >drift >on entry. When you get it right, it "feels" great! I tested Ali's setup on >the >Brabham there last night and had a blast (1:29.22 - not great, but decent for >me). >Dave Ewing

Ok, you're a whole 10 seconds faster than me. I can only CRINGE at how long it will take me to make UP those 10.... :) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EVERYWHERE... :) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.