BEST SIM = HARDEST SIM???

I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly well for all round racing, Doug again

By what standards do you use? If you look at it as a "Game", then SCGT is tops. However, Looking at it as a racing sim.. Well, I can't do that because I'm among those that can't put this in that category. Again, The SCGT "GAME" is worth the money. Just not worth a dime for a racing sim. My $0.02 worth, Mike Barlow

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> I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo > VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think > it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO > difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo > though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly > well for all round racing, > Doug > again

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Well said, it's not worth a dime for a racing sim for now hopefully. But true, it's still very much worth purchasing. I'm dying to see the other tracks. Especially Sebring Int'l so I can compare it to my real life experience at that track.

Well, I'm one of the few that can't put GPL in the sim category either, because its still just a game. Nonetheless the point is very much valid. The BEST sim doesn't have to be the HAREST sim (using that sim term very loosely).

Difficulty has nothing to do with realism. Who can't drive a car? David G Fisher >I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo >VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think >it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO >difficult. >

Hmmm, so your sayin you could hop into a 1999 Reynard Cart Champ car and go like hell? HAHAHA, I race cars now and have raced F125 carts to FF2000 and you are totally wrong. Sure you could drive a Panoz around Road Atlanta, but to do it quickly, is an art. So dont tell us its just driving a car. Get out and try racing then rethink your statement. Thanks

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I think it depends on your definition of 'simulation' and 'good'. It seems to me the if something is difficult to do IRL then a simulation of that activity should be difficult also, no? Otherwise it wouldn't be a 'simulation', would it? Now I don't know about you but I suspect I would have extreme difficulty driving a '67 F1 car at anywhere near its limits. Have you noticed how easy GPL is if you never go over 75 or 80 MPH? Or only use about half throttle?

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>I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo >VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think >it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO >difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo >though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly >well for all round racing, >Doug >again

I can't drive a car although I can ride a motorbike :) On the same subject - what are anybodys views on the latest N64 F1 game? miki

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>Difficulty has nothing to do with realism. Who can't drive a car? >David G Fisher >>I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo >>VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think >>it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO >>difficult. >

If hard = realistic then for sure. If it legitimatly says "Simulation" on the box then you know what your in for. I remember how humbling GPL was when I first began with it. After being a multiple ICR2 Champion and World record holder at a few tracks I never expected to take that sort of a beating to be honest :) But I now feel almost as comfortable at the wheel GPL as I ever did with ICR2. I also remember being disappointed when it was revealed that GPL would not ship with full use of the GP2 and GP3 cars in championship and online modes because it was obvious that many newbies and casuals would be detered by the difficulty.

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> I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo > VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think > it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO > difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo > though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly > well for all round racing, > Doug > again

No in-car view. Useless to me... -Larry > By what standards do you use? If you look at it as a "Game", then SCGT is > tops.

It is for this very reason that I recommend Viper Racing to anyone who asks me for the best sim to get started with. Good physics, fairly realistic, great graphics, and it can be is easy or as hard to drive as you want it to be. The only unknown is future development. The last I heard, they didn't have much interest in upgrades, new tracks, cars, etc.. Which is a crime, IMHO. -Larry

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> I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo > VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think > it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO > difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo > though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly > well for all round racing, > Doug > again

I was quite good at GP2 and F1RS (hell, I still have some world records) but GPL was a shock. It took me few hours to complete a racing lap around Glen GPL demo. Phew ! When I did 5 full laps without crashing or spinning out of the track, I felt like celebrating :o) And when I could finally lap around Glen in 1:10's I felt as I was the best ;o)) On the other hand, when F1RS came out, I could easily jump from GP2 to F1RS. GPL was a huuuuuuge step upward for me. Tadej Krevh Lotus Internet Racing - look I even have a GPL racing team now! <g> http://welcome.to/LotusRacing

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> If hard = realistic then for sure. If it legitimatly says > "Simulation" on the box then you know what your in for. > I remember how humbling GPL was when I first began with it. After > being a multiple ICR2 Champion and World record holder at a few tracks I > never expected to take that sort of a beating to be honest :) But I now > feel almost as comfortable at the wheel GPL as I ever did with ICR2. > I also remember being disappointed when it was revealed that GPL would > not ship with full use of the GP2 and GP3 cars in championship and > online modes because it was obvious that many newbies and casuals would > be detered by the difficulty. > > I don't think a sim has to be hard to be good. I've found the TOCA 2 demo > > VERY playable yet a good challenge. I've played GPL and I think > > it's...well...over the top. Great game and all that, but it's just TOO > > difficult. I got over frustrated and un-installed. The TOCA 2 demo > > though...keeps me going and going. I still think GP2 holds it's own fairly > > well for all round racing, > > Doug > > again