SCGT Feedback

Folks, We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image Space. You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as well). Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. I wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted another. -- Kevin Anderson ICQ # 6769389 >Folks, >We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image >Space. >You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as >well). >Cheers! >??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >Computer Systems Programmer >USAF Air-Ground Operations School >Hurlburt Field, FL >Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

Hmmmm! I thought Image Space had already sent the Gold version to EA, with the proposed release date of early April I would think that to be true. Sounds like any fixes will be via post release patch. Given that why was the demo not released months ago to provide ISI time to implement feedback changes in the final version? Dino

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>Folks, >We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image >Space. >You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as >well). >Cheers! >??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >Computer Systems Programmer >USAF Air-Ground Operations School >Hurlburt Field, FL >Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

Just have them read the newsgroup (they don't have to respond) and I'm sure they'd get plenty of feedback from everything thats been said so far on it.

I just read that review again, I still can't believe he is talking about the same demo. I feel insulted I thought we could only expect the BS hype from the game companies, now some reviewers are trying to waste my money. I will never go back to that website again, -- Kevin Anderson ICQ # 6769389 >>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >>requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >>version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >>will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image >>Space. >>You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as >>well). >>Cheers! >>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >>Computer Systems Programmer >>USAF Air-Ground Operations School >>Hurlburt Field, FL >>Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

Wow its funny when someone posts their opinion about a game that they are told that "Corporate advertising has corrupted another." Some people like this game and all you say is that there must be something wrong with THEM. Jesse |Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is |not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. I

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|wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the |Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted |another. | |-- |Kevin Anderson |ICQ # 6769389 | | |>Folks, |> |>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've |>requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final |>version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we |>will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at

Image |>Space. |>You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as

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|>well). |> |>Cheers! |> |> |>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** |>Computer Systems Programmer |>USAF Air-Ground Operations School |>Hurlburt Field, FL |> |>Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ |>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ |> |> | |

>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image >Space. Surely the SCGT folks read this NG? Plenty of feedback here. It would be utterly foolish to miss half of it by expecting people who've already posted to re-email it. Besides, lots of the feedbakc is in coversational back-and-forth, can't really be emailed. Joe

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> Folks, > We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've > requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final > version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we > will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at Image > Space. > You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as > well).

Aren't they checking this newsgroup Jan? Not that there shouldn't be a direct link from your site, but if they want feedback, there is plenty right here. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Dino, you are absolutely correct.

Thats not a post, thats *** website writing a review. thats sounds like pure BS written by the game company. -- Kevin Anderson ICQ # 6769389 >Wow its funny when someone posts their opinion about a game that they are >told that "Corporate advertising has corrupted another." Some people like >this game and all you say is that there must be something wrong with THEM. >Jesse >|Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is >|not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. >I >|wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the >|Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted >|another. >| >|-- >|Kevin Anderson >|ICQ # 6769389 >| >| >|>Folks, >|> >|>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >|>requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >|>version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >|>will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at >Image >|>Space. >|>You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now >as >|>well). >|> >|>Cheers! >|> >|> >|>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >|>Computer Systems Programmer >|>USAF Air-Ground Operations School >|>Hurlburt Field, FL >|> >|>Castle Graphics - [link lost in import] >|>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >|> >|> >| >|

Jan- Manny and others have a point. ISI's own site shows SCGT going (gone) gold. Tom Petersen

before I catch another flame. When I read a review I expect an honest opinion about the game stating its good points and pointing out its bad.So I can make a decision before buying it. Luckily I tried the demo myself in this case, but I feel sorry for those that read the review and then go out and buy the game. I don't think that demo was bad , but it clearly could never live up to the praise Jan gave it at the pits website. Makes me mad cause I think of all the BS E.A. advertised. I want to trust the reviews so I don't waste money Like I did on Nascar Revolution. -- Kevin Anderson ICQ # 6769389 >Thats not a post, thats *** website writing a review. thats sounds like >pure BS written by the game company. >-- >Kevin Anderson >ICQ # 6769389 >>Wow its funny when someone posts their opinion about a game that they are >>told that "Corporate advertising has corrupted another." Some people like >>this game and all you say is that there must be something wrong with THEM. >>Jesse >>|Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is >>|not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. >>I >>|wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the >>|Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted >>|another. >>| >>|-- >>|Kevin Anderson >>|ICQ # 6769389 >>| >>| >>|>Folks, >>|> >>|>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and >they've >>|>requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the >final >>|>version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >>|>will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at >>Image >>|>Space. >>|>You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now >>as >>|>well). >>|> >>|>Cheers! >>|> >>|> >>|>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >>|>Computer Systems Programmer >>|>USAF Air-Ground Operations School >>|>Hurlburt Field, FL >>|> >>|>Castle Graphics - [link lost in import] >>|>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >>|> >>|> >>| >>|

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:13:18 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" >Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is >not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. I >wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the >Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted >another. What a load of crap! What do you base this speculation on? While I feel his review was a bit too positive... Nothing leads me to believe his opinion was bought by a mean old *** money making corporation. Did someone from a competing company pay you to say this? Do you see the absurdity? Mike

Kevin, Try www.simracingnews.com. :) We are up to date as possible on ALL forms of racing or at least attempt to be. Not to mention, generally the reviews point out both the positives and negatives of a game. Of course reviews are always subject to the opinions of the reviewer and his preference for the game.

Scream at EA not ISI, thats what ISI wanted bad!!!! Art Stealth Racing http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html >Hmmmm! I thought Image Space had already sent the Gold version to EA, with >the proposed release date of early April I would think that to be true. >Sounds like any fixes will be via post release patch. Given that why was the

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>demo not released months ago to provide ISI time to implement feedback >changes in the final version? >Dino >>Folks, >>We've been in contact with Image Space for several months now, and they've >>requested for feedback on the demo...so get your comments in for the final >>version! You can find a link on our review to email us your feedback, we >>will make sure that the unedited version gets straight to the guys at

Image >>Space. >>You can find our link to the review on our news page...(and the demo now as

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>>well). >>Cheers! >>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >>Computer Systems Programmer >>USAF Air-Ground Operations School >>Hurlburt Field, FL >>Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

LOL! That's funny, Kevin...as if. I only write what I see, and I like it. You don't have to have the same opinion, I didn't see that it was mandantory that you should feel like I do... Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is >not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. I

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>wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the >Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted >another. >-- >Kevin Anderson >ICQ # 6769389

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:35:20 -0600, "Chris Schletter" >Kevin, >Try www.simracingnews.com. :) >We are up to date as possible on ALL forms of racing or at least attempt to >be. Not to mention, generally the reviews point out both the positives and >negatives of a game. Of course reviews are always subject to the opinions >of the reviewer and his preference for the game. Yes? Like the gushing preview of NASCAR Revolution which hastily about turned into a bad review of the final version? I don't remember too much difference between them. People in glasshouses... Cheers! John

I wasn't screaming at anyone. It's just obvious *from the demo perspective anyway* that a few changes could have been made that would transform a good sim into a great sim *before going gold*. SCGT has some great potential and I'm looking forward to the day my copy shows up on the doorstep. Dino

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>Scream at EA not ISI, thats what ISI wanted bad!!!! >Art >Stealth Racing >http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html >>Hmmmm! I thought Image Space had already sent the Gold version to EA, with >>the proposed release date of early April I would think that to be true. >>Sounds like any fixes will be via post release patch. Given that why was >the >>demo not released months ago to provide ISI time to implement feedback >>changes in the final version? >>Dino

Jan Kohl wrote Hehehe... it's easy : - read rec.autos.simulators (no need to post.. just read.. posting is a bonus). If they don't want... tell them to type www dot dejanews dot com and make a research for "rec.autos.simulators SCGT" ;-) -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Are you for real? Poor taste, not to mention unprofessional of another news service.

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> Kevin, > Try www.simracingnews.com. :) > We are up to date as possible on ALL forms of racing or at least attempt to > be. Not to mention, generally the reviews point out both the positives and > negatives of a game. Of course reviews are always subject to the opinions > of the reviewer and his preference for the game.

-- Marc J. Nelson SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Marc, This is not a slam in anyway but i was wondering if you guys update your site anymore? I go there now and then but I have a feeling I might be hitting the wrong section or something. Please let me know. -- Tony Wyss, Editor-in-Chief Gamer's Alliance Sports www.ga-sports.com --------------------------------- Gamer's Alliance, Inc Site Relations Coordinator www.gagames.com -------------------------------- "I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player" - John Kruk >Are you for real? Poor taste, not to mention unprofessional of another news >service. >> Kevin, >> Try www.simracingnews.com. :) >> We are up to date as possible on ALL forms of racing or at least attempt to >> be. Not to mention, generally the reviews point out both the positives and >> negatives of a game. Of course reviews are always subject to the opinions >> of the reviewer and his preference for the game. >-- >Marc J. Nelson >SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com >* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

So, taking to insulting other websites, eh? Is this common practice now, or is this just something that your site has decided to start doing? In response, I will only say... NI! Brought to you by the Knights who say "Ni!" ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

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>Kevin, >Try www.simracingnews.com. :) >We are up to date as possible on ALL forms of racing or at least attempt to >be. Not to mention, generally the reviews point out both the positives and >negatives of a game. Of course reviews are always subject to the opinions >of the reviewer and his preference for the game.

>NI! Arrrggghhh! The horror....... Remco

Kevin, I understand your point, but I *LIKED* the *DEMO*. You cannot expect everyone to see everything the same, and I did mention some of the bad points it has. If I waited to see what everyone else thought of it, then wrote my review, what WAS the point of writing it? As well, if you can even see a comparison between SCGT and NASCAR Revolution besides there are cars and they have 4 wheels, I'll let YOU write the next review! ;] I don't think anyone is going to be disappointed with the real thing as they were with NR, they are not even in the same league. Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >before I catch another flame. When I read a review I expect an honest >opinion about the game stating its good points and pointing out its bad.So I

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>can make a decision before buying it. Luckily I tried the demo myself in >this case, but I feel sorry for those that read the review and then go out >and buy the game. I don't think that demo was bad , but it clearly could >never live up to the praise Jan gave it at the pits website. Makes me mad >cause I think of all the BS E.A. advertised. I want to trust the reviews so >I don't waste money Like I did on Nascar Revolution. >-- >Kevin Anderson >ICQ # 6769389

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> On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:13:18 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" > >Your review sounds like it was written by Image Space. I know the game is > >not that bad But it is far from the awesome game of the year you describe. I > >wonder how much of your reviews are genuine or just advertising. I see the > >Pits website in a whole new light now. Corporate advertising has corrupted > >another. > What a load of crap! What do you base this speculation on? While I > feel his review was a bit too positive... Nothing leads me to believe > his opinion was bought by a mean old *** money making corporation. > Did someone from a competing company pay you to say this? Do you see > the absurdity? > Mike

So what would you conclude? Charging for a converter with bad track.txts and AI doesn't go a long way toward endearing you to people either!

Trust ras :)

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> before I catch another flame. When I read a review I expect an honest > opinion about the game stating its good points and pointing out its bad.So I > can make a decision before buying it. Luckily I tried the demo myself in > this case, but I feel sorry for those that read the review and then go out > and buy the game. I don't think that demo was bad , but it clearly could > never live up to the praise Jan gave it at the pits website. Makes me mad > cause I think of all the BS E.A. advertised. I want to trust the reviews so > I don't waste money Like I did on Nascar Revolution.

As far as potential goes, I agree 100%. But this thing will need a good patch before I consider buying it. Or some type of amazing transformation from demo to final release. > I wasn't screaming at anyone. It's just obvious *from the demo perspective > anyway* that a few changes could have been made that would transform a good > sim into a great sim *before going gold*. > SCGT has some great potential and I'm looking forward to the day my copy > shows up on the doorstep.

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:11:20 -0600, "Jan Kohl" >In response, I will only say... >NI! Stop, stop - we'll build you a sh***y.... Cheers! John

> Kevin, I understand your point, but I *LIKED* the *DEMO*. You cannot expect > everyone to see everything the same, and I did mention some of the bad > points it has. If I waited to see what everyone else thought of it, then Hmm, you said in your review, it's "the best modern day racing sim". That's quite a bit more than "to like" it, isn't it? I immediatly remembered the verdict on CPR on your site, it was a V8 (the highest mark), too... l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> Kevin, I understand your point, but I *LIKED* the *DEMO*. You cannot expect > everyone to see everything the same, and I did mention some of the bad > points it has. If I waited to see what everyone else thought of it, then > wrote my review, what WAS the point of writing it? As well, if you can even > see a comparison between SCGT and NASCAR Revolution besides there are cars > and they have 4 wheels, I'll let YOU write the next review! ;] I don't > think anyone is going to be disappointed with the real thing as they were > with NR, they are not even in the same league.

Jan, have you been able to try the release version, and if so, are your impressions of it present in the review? -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

LOL! Touche' Ronny, yes, I bit the big one on that one... ;] IMHO this is better than CPR, hopefully IS will sort out (or already have sorted out) the problems with the demo in the full version, we'll see, I guess. I've sorted out a comprehensive list of faults with the demo and emailed them to IS, I'll post their reply on the news page when I hear back from them... Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >> Kevin, I understand your point, but I *LIKED* the *DEMO*. You cannot expect

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>> everyone to see everything the same, and I did mention some of the bad >> points it has. If I waited to see what everyone else thought of it, then >Hmm, you said in your review, it's "the best modern day racing sim". >That's quite >a bit more than "to like" it, isn't it? I immediatly remembered the >verdict on >CPR on your site, it was a V8 (the highest mark), too... >l8er >ronny >-- >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change >to take effect. Reboot now? > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> LOL! Touche' Ronny, yes, I bit the big one on that one... ;] > IMHO this is better than CPR, hopefully IS will sort out (or already have > sorted out) I agree, maybe you should switch to a percentage way of reviewing? Oh, I'm hoping it will improve. As of now I "finished" the sim after about an hour, meaning "loosing interest", as the driving is almost no challenge compared to MGPR or GPL. But the kind of cars and tracks make me really want this sim to have the physics to fight with... ;^) Did you ask IS about the non-existing FF effects on the track? Just the rattle on the curbs is quite disappointing. l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

No Pat, only seen the demo so far... Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/