Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement. thanks sb

scott banac wrote: > Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? Old Red is > getting tired and may need replacement. > > thanks sb > Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with about 10 times the resolution. Really a shame as otherwise it was a good consumer wheel. Ever consider rebuilding Old red? There used to be a bearing kit available, don't remember who sold it but should be easy enough to track down with google. Ken

"scott banac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xKBLb.8042$I06.52504@attbi_s01... > Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? > Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement. > > thanks > sb 2 out of three count? If you like the LWFF then the MOMO is the logical step. Thats what I did and there isn't a major differance other than the build quality of the MOMO. However I just recently picked up the Microsoft FF wheel for cheap that has been discontinued, and I wish I had done it much sooner. I can actually slow for a corner without getting ran over from behind or lock up the tires. I also prefer the forced of the MSFF over the logi products, but YMMV. MadDAWG

I've had the Old Red and then went to the MOMO. I recently have gone back to the Old Red since installing Jens Schumi's ball bearing conversion that I think Ken was referring to. http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/LogiCorner.htm --Bob "scott banac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xKBLb.8042$I06.52504@attbi_s01...

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> Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? > Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement. > > thanks > sb > >

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:10:38 GMT, Ken MacKay <[email hidden]> wrote: >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with >about 10 times the resolution. Really a shame as otherwise it was a good >consumer wheel. So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel, though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow.

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> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:10:38 GMT, Ken MacKay > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and > >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little > >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with > >about 10 times the resolution. Really a shame as otherwise it was a good > >consumer wheel. > > So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great > reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel, > though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change > this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my > broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a > wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. > I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow.

I'd be curious to know that as well - I'm worried about the day my trusty AL wheel gives up the ghost (still going string, though - had to re-build the switching springs in the shifter, though). Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics? As word gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast community, and everywhere else, eventually. Kendt

On 10 Jan 2004 07:44:58 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote:

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>> >> >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and >> >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little >> >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with >> >about 10 times the resolution. Really a shame as otherwise it was a good >> >consumer wheel. >> >> So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great >> reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel, >> though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change >> this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my >> broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a >> wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. >> I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow. > >I'd be curious to know that as well - I'm worried about the day my >trusty AL wheel gives up the ghost (still going string, though - had >to re-build the switching springs in the shifter, though). >Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics? As word >gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast >community, and everywhere else, eventually. > >Kendt

I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they weren't aware of this before--they are now!

Don't know about the Act Labs. I had the old red, switched to the plastic MOMO. Wheel was great for 2 weeks (I had 2 of them) but right paddle went and slack developped in the streering. Finally went for the leather MOMO and its the best of the three IMO. Solid feel of the original red, with better shifters that have this nice tactile feel. Good luck "scott banac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xKBLb.8042$I06.52504@attbi_s01...

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> Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? > Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement. > > thanks > sb > >

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:11:43 GMT, Mr Tuvok <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On 10 Jan 2004 07:44:58 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) >wrote: > >>> >>> >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and >>> >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little >>> >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with >>> >about 10 times the resolution. Really a shame as otherwise it was a good >>> >consumer wheel. >>> >>> So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great >>> reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel, >>> though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change >>> this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my >>> broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a >>> wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. >>> I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow. >> >>I'd be curious to know that as well - I'm worried about the day my >>trusty AL wheel gives up the ghost (still going string, though - had >>to re-build the switching springs in the shifter, though). >>Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics? As word >>gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast >>community, and everywhere else, eventually. >> >>Kendt > >I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they >weren't aware of this before--they are now!

I just bought a used red Momo on Ebay. I hope it works.

> > >>> Any way I can change >>>this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? >>>Afraid the 2.1 aren't available from AL anymore, at least they wouldn't sell me one about a year ago. Was lucky enough to find a used 2.1 cartridge on ebay. They were at one point offering a rebate for people wanting to upgrade from serial to USB but that's been discontinued for some time.

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>>Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics? As word >>gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast >>community, and everywhere else, eventually. >> >> >I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they >weren't aware of this before--they are now! > >

They've been aware of it for some time no but they don't exactly advertise this new "feature". It really is a shame as they have great customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts available past the warraunty. Ken

> > >>> Any way I can change >>>this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? >>>Afraid the 2.1 aren't available from AL anymore, at least they wouldn't sell me one about a year ago. Was lucky enough to find a used 2.1 cartridge on ebay. They were at one point offering a rebate for people wanting to upgrade from serial to USB but that's been discontinued for some time.

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>>Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics? As word >>gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast >>community, and everywhere else, eventually. >> >> >I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they >weren't aware of this before--they are now! > >

They've been aware of it for some time now but they don't exactly advertise this new "feature". It really is a shame as they have great customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts available past the warranty. Ken

> > >I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. > >I should have a box around here somewhere. Drop me an email (remove the NOSPAM) Ken

I guess you were lucky then. Ive had the AL Perf pedals for a little over a year and Ive had to replace springs 8-9 times already. I called for a handful of springs (seeing how its their design that causes the springs to break) and they would only send me one gas and one brake spring. Ill use those up this month. These pedals are just as bad as my original T1 at breaking springs and AL could care less. What ever happened to Raymond? Mitch Ken Mackay wrote: > It really is a shame as they have great > customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts > available past the warranty. > > Ken > -- <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>>

I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the springs for much better made ones from local sources. There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in great detail with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and I did this for him). This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it from the factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;)) AD "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TMzMb.8846$[email hidden]...

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> > I guess you were lucky then. Ive had the AL Perf pedals for a little > over a year and Ive had to replace springs 8-9 times already. I called > for a handful of springs (seeing how its their design that causes the > springs to break) and they would only send me one gas and one brake > spring. Ill use those up this month. These pedals are just as bad as > my original T1 at breaking springs and AL could care less. What ever > happened to Raymond? > > Mitch > > > Ken Mackay wrote: > > > It really is a shame as they have great > > customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts > > available past the warranty. > > > > Ken > > > > -- > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> >

Well known? I musta missed that thread ;) Well I just got off the phone with Act Labs and they want me to buy replacment springs. I'm sure not going to send that company a single red cent EVER again so I'll have to hit my local Orchard Supply for some parts. Do you know the URL of the site you mention? AD wrote:

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> I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the springs > for much better made ones from local sources. > > There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in great detail > with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and I did > this for him). > This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it from the > factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;)) > > AD

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Dont bother with them.....no need http://www.slottweak.com/ There is another site too,i will remember it a.s.a.p :) AD "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K6BMb.8855$[email hidden]...

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> Well known? I musta missed that thread ;) > > Well I just got off the phone with Act Labs and they want me to buy > replacment springs. I'm sure not going to send that company a single > red cent EVER again so I'll have to hit my local Orchard Supply for some > parts. > > Do you know the URL of the site you mention? > > > AD wrote: > > I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the

springs > > for much better made ones from local sources. > > > > There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in greatdetail > > with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and Idid > > this for him). > > This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it fromthe

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> > factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;)) > > > > AD > > > -- > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> >

Here you go Mitch....happy days :-))) http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm/al_perf_pedal_spring_mod.html AD "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K6BMb.8855$[email hidden]...

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> Well known? I musta missed that thread ;) > > Well I just got off the phone with Act Labs and they want me to buy > replacment springs. I'm sure not going to send that company a single > red cent EVER again so I'll have to hit my local Orchard Supply for some > parts. > > Do you know the URL of the site you mention? > > > AD wrote: > > I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the

springs > > for much better made ones from local sources. > > > > There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in greatdetail > > with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and Idid > > this for him). > > This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it fromthe

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> > factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;)) > > > > AD > > > -- > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> >

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:25:42 -0400, Ken Mackay <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> >> >>I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away. >> >> >I should have a box around here somewhere. Drop me an email (remove the >NOSPAM) > >Ken

Thanks, but if there's a chance I could get one of those older cartridges, this wheel might just be worth keeping. I noticed that the springs for the pedal mod look VERY similar to those in the back of a Fender Stratocaster!!

Thanks Aidee. Went and picked up the parts this afternoon and have it all dialed in in just a bit over an hour :) I didnt follow his procedure exactly but it gave me a great starting point. Its amazing how much better the brake feel is without that rubber stopper. A perfect example is when I run ETCC and can modulate the brakes without locking up EVERY corner. Wish I woulda seen this before cause it didnt take much longer than a normal spring repl and should last indefinitely AND it works better than new and best of all less than $15. Mitch AD wrote: > Here you go Mitch....happy days :-))) > > http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm/al_perf_pedal_spring_mod.html > > AD -- <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>>

Bob G wrote:

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> I've had the Old Red and then went to the MOMO. I recently have gone back > to the Old Red since installing Jens Schumi's ball bearing conversion that I > think Ken was referring to. > > http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/LogiCorner.htm > > --Bob

That was it. Thanks Bob. Ken

My pleasure Mitch.....i agree 100% with you , it just ' feels ' better and for sure it will last as long as you need it to :) AD "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:63MMb.77$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks Aidee. > > Went and picked up the parts this afternoon and have it all dialed in > in just a bit over an hour :) I didnt follow his procedure exactly but > it gave me a great starting point. Its amazing how much better the > brake feel is without that rubber stopper. A perfect example is when I > run ETCC and can modulate the brakes without locking up EVERY corner. > > Wish I woulda seen this before cause it didnt take much longer than a > normal spring repl and should last indefinitely AND it works better than > new and best of all less than $15. > > Mitch > > > AD wrote: > > Here you go Mitch....happy days :-))) > > > > http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm/al_perf_pedal_spring_mod.html > > > > AD > > -- > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> >

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:42:53 GMT, "scott banac" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? >Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement. > >thanks >sb > I just got a red Momo. Now driving sims are FUN again!!