Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing great lines to take in different types of corners.
The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain Hawotte for their great contributions.
Until Next Time:
Bill Tillman
Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends
http://gpl.ga-sports.com/
Very Interesting! Prof. Pig is really an alias for a World Champion Driver
with the initals of A.S. who drove a Honda powered F1 GP.
Bill
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>Bill, >Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the >track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be >more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an >oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. >Dave >Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques >for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not >sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing >great lines to take in different types of corners. >The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The >Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early >F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN >images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain >Hawotte for their great contributions. >Until Next Time: >Bill Tillman >Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends >http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ >----------Senna, principals of performance driving I presume. I recognized the track
diagrams right away. Though you changed the car, shouldn't you have
somewhere on the page stating that you took something from his book, you
know all the legal stuff instead of calling it your own (proffesor pig's)?
Jesse
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>Very Interesting! Prof. Pig is really an alias for a World Champion Driver >with the initals of A.S. who drove a Honda powered F1 GP. >Bill >>Bill, >>Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the >>track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be >>more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an >>oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. >>Dave >>Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques >>for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not >>sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing >>great lines to take in different types of corners. >>The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The >>Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early >>F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN >>images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain >>Hawotte for their great contributions. >>Until Next Time: >>Bill Tillman >>Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends >>http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ >>----------Bill,
Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the
track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be
more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an
oversteering car will go faster in the right hands.
Dave
Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques
for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not
sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing
great lines to take in different types of corners.
The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The
Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early
F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN
images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain
Hawotte for their great contributions.
Until Next Time:
Bill Tillman
Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends
http://gpl.ga-sports.com/
----------
Nope....
This was proved to be wrong by many drivers :)
Take a look at Ian Lake's Monaco setup.
Try it out and tell me if it oversteers.
Initially many of us were trying to fly around the track with an oversteering
car.
In my case, I was unable to even complete 10 laps without crashing (and in GP2
I was well known for my oversteering setups :). Now I have reverted to
understeer
(not much of it ofcourse) which gives me more confidence and thus I can push
harder. Also, an understeering car has got better traction when coming in/out
of
the corners. Also, trailbraking is impossible with an oversteering car.
In my opinion, car should have understeer in suspension setup but maybe slight
oversteer with
the differential setup (achieved by clutches (3 or 4) since the differential
is usually 85/30 or 85/45).
Well... I could be wrong, but I can post some consistent laptimes with my a
bit understeering setups :)
(not as understeering as the default ones :)
Regards,
Tadej Krevh
Lotus Internet Racing
http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/
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> Bill, > Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the > track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be > more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an > oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. > Dave > Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques > for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not > sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing > great lines to take in different types of corners. > The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The > Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early > F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN > images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain > Hawotte for their great contributions. > Until Next Time: > Bill Tillman > Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends > http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ > ----------The cars in GPL have such a high power to weight ratio that you need
understeer to balance this.The higher the HP the more you need
understeer for stability.With the fronts gripping like mad youlll not
be able to put down the throttle since the rear will just slide out.
The perfect race setup is one that understeers slightly going into
turns for stability and that as soon as you apply throttle the rears
break loose so you can steer out of the turn with throttle.A lower
powered F1 car say from 1960 would do better at monaco with a
slightly oversteering car since it would trailbrake nicely into turns
with oversteer pointing the car at the apex and then would understeer
out to the outside of the track at exit since the power to weight
ratio wont break the rears loose and the fronts lose grip under
power.I have gotten a best time at the Glen of 1:04:87 and this was at
the end of a race.This is with the extreme understeer default Lotus
setup.At first I couldnt drive it well until I started powering out
of every corner at just the right time.The default Monaco setup on the
otherhand oversteers to much.This causes massive problems when I try
to brake hard for the last hairpin turn.I am gonna add some understeer
and see what I can do there exiting turns under power.
Skeeter
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:40:21 +0100, Tadej Krevh
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>Nope.... >This was proved to be wrong by many drivers :) >Take a look at Ian Lake's Monaco setup. >Try it out and tell me if it oversteers. >Initially many of us were trying to fly around the track with an oversteering >car. >In my case, I was unable to even complete 10 laps without crashing (and in GP2 >I was well known for my oversteering setups :). Now I have reverted to >understeer >(not much of it ofcourse) which gives me more confidence and thus I can push >harder. Also, an understeering car has got better traction when coming in/out >of >the corners. Also, trailbraking is impossible with an oversteering car. >In my opinion, car should have understeer in suspension setup but maybe slight >oversteer with >the differential setup (achieved by clutches (3 or 4) since the differential >is usually 85/30 or 85/45). >Well... I could be wrong, but I can post some consistent laptimes with my a >bit understeering setups :) >(not as understeering as the default ones :) >Regards, >Tadej Krevh >Lotus Internet Racing >http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/ >> Bill, >> Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the >> track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be >> more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an >> oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. >> Dave >> Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques >> for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not >> sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing >> great lines to take in different types of corners. >> The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The >> Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early >> F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN >> images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain >> Hawotte for their great contributions. >> Until Next Time: >> Bill Tillman >> Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends >> http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ >> ----------Quoted text (20 lines)
> The cars in GPL have such a high power to weight ratio that you need >understeer to balance this.The higher the HP the more you need >understeer for stability.With the fronts gripping like mad youlll not >be able to put down the throttle since the rear will just slide out. >The perfect race setup is one that understeers slightly going into >turns for stability and that as soon as you apply throttle the rears >break loose so you can steer out of the turn with throttle.A lower >powered F1 car say from 1960 would do better at monaco with a >slightly oversteering car since it would trailbrake nicely into turns >with oversteer pointing the car at the apex and then would understeer >out to the outside of the track at exit since the power to weight >ratio wont break the rears loose and the fronts lose grip under >power.I have gotten a best time at the Glen of 1:04:87 and this was at >the end of a race.This is with the extreme understeer default Lotus >setup.At first I couldnt drive it well until I started powering out >of every corner at just the right time.The default Monaco setup on the >otherhand oversteers to much.This causes massive problems when I try >to brake hard for the last hairpin turn.I am gonna add some understeer >and see what I can do there exiting turns under power. >SkeeterQuoted text (65 lines)
>On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:40:21 +0100, Tadej Krevh >>Nope.... >>This was proved to be wrong by many drivers :) >>Take a look at Ian Lake's Monaco setup. >>Try it out and tell me if it oversteers. >>Initially many of us were trying to fly around the track with an oversteering >>car. >>In my case, I was unable to even complete 10 laps without crashing (and in GP2 >>I was well known for my oversteering setups :). Now I have reverted to >>understeer >>(not much of it ofcourse) which gives me more confidence and thus I can push >>harder. Also, an understeering car has got better traction when coming in/out >>of >>the corners. Also, trailbraking is impossible with an oversteering car. >>In my opinion, car should have understeer in suspension setup but maybe slight >>oversteer with >>the differential setup (achieved by clutches (3 or 4) since the differential >>is usually 85/30 or 85/45). >>Well... I could be wrong, but I can post some consistent laptimes with my a >>bit understeering setups :) >>(not as understeering as the default ones :) >>Regards, >>Tadej Krevh >>Lotus Internet Racing >>http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/ >>> Bill, >>> Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the >>> track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be >>> more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an >>> oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. >>> Dave >>> Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques >>> for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not >>> sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing >>> great lines to take in different types of corners. >>> The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The >>> Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early >>> F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN >>> images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain >>> Hawotte for their great contributions. >>> Until Next Time: >>> Bill Tillman >>> Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends >>> http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ >>> ----------Quoted text (8 lines)
> In my case, I was unable to even complete 10 laps without crashing (and in GP2 > I was well known for my oversteering setups :). Now I have reverted to > understeer > (not much of it ofcourse) which gives me more confidence and thus I can push > harder. Also, an understeering car has got better traction when coming in/out > of > the corners. Also, trailbraking is impossible with an oversteering car.That's what I was saying :)
With a bit of understeer, you can feel the car gripping. With
oversteer, you think the car will break loose any moment, thus
reducing your confidence which in the end results in slower laptimes.
Just keep on practising.
It may seem a bit hard at first when the car will resist to turn into
the corner, but you'll get used to it. This way you'll get slower entry
and faster exit and that's exactly the recipe to go fast with GPL :)
Cheers,
Tadej Krevh
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> > The cars in GPL have such a high power to weight ratio that you need > >understeer to balance this.The higher the HP the more you need > >understeer for stability.With the fronts gripping like mad youlll not > >be able to put down the throttle since the rear will just slide out. > >The perfect race setup is one that understeers slightly going into > >turns for stability and that as soon as you apply throttle the rears > >break loose so you can steer out of the turn with throttle.A lower > >powered F1 car say from 1960 would do better at monaco with a > >slightly oversteering car since it would trailbrake nicely into turns > >with oversteer pointing the car at the apex and then would understeer > >out to the outside of the track at exit since the power to weight > >ratio wont break the rears loose and the fronts lose grip under > >power.I have gotten a best time at the Glen of 1:04:87 and this was at > >the end of a race.This is with the extreme understeer default Lotus > >setup.At first I couldnt drive it well until I started powering out > >of every corner at just the right time.The default Monaco setup on the > >otherhand oversteers to much.This causes massive problems when I try > >to brake hard for the last hairpin turn.I am gonna add some understeer > >and see what I can do there exiting turns under power. > >Skeeter > Taking my own advice I went back to Monaco.I hate this track or at > least I did until just now.I have done at the most 30 laps at Monaco > since I got the game/sim!?!My best time was in the Cooper with a > 1:32:44.My best with my new ride(Lotus)was a blistering 1:33:56.Just > now I tried the understeering default nurburging setup.My god I felt > like I had a modern F1 car at monaco!!!Where before I couldnt > accelerate worth shit,now I can really feel those big grippy tires > that the Lotus has powering me out of turnsIt felt awesome!!.My best > after 4 laps was a 1:28:12.Some gear changes and I should hit low 7's > tonight.All of a sudden i love this track!!:)) > Skeeter > >On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:40:21 +0100, Tadej Krevh > >>Nope.... > >>This was proved to be wrong by many drivers :) > >>Take a look at Ian Lake's Monaco setup. > >>Try it out and tell me if it oversteers. > >>Initially many of us were trying to fly around the track with an oversteering > >>car. > >>In my case, I was unable to even complete 10 laps without crashing (and in GP2 > >>I was well known for my oversteering setups :). Now I have reverted to > >>understeer > >>(not much of it ofcourse) which gives me more confidence and thus I can push > >>harder. Also, an understeering car has got better traction when coming in/out > >>of > >>the corners. Also, trailbraking is impossible with an oversteering car. > >>In my opinion, car should have understeer in suspension setup but maybe slight > >>oversteer with > >>the differential setup (achieved by clutches (3 or 4) since the differential > >>is usually 85/30 or 85/45). > >>Well... I could be wrong, but I can post some consistent laptimes with my a > >>bit understeering setups :) > >>(not as understeering as the default ones :) > >>Regards, > >>Tadej Krevh > >>Lotus Internet Racing > >>http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/ > >>> Bill, > >>> Contrary to Professor Pig, understeer is not the fast way around the > >>> track. It is a way to be consistant since a understeering car tends to be > >>> more consistant then a neutral car or an oversteering car, but an > >>> oversteering car will go faster in the right hands. > >>> Dave > >>> Professor Pig takes a Matra to the track to illustrate driving techniques > >>> for linked bends with a short straight between. For those who have not > >>> sampled PP's illustrated driving lines there are now seven pages showing > >>> great lines to take in different types of corners. > >>> The Early 60's section has really turned into The Decade of the 60's! The > >>> Project is intended as a source for painters and modelers to create Early > >>> F-1 1.5 liter GP cars for a patched version of GPL. Added another DOZEN > >>> images to the 1968 gallery with many thanks to John Nelson and Alain > >>> Hawotte for their great contributions. > >>> Until Next Time: > >>> Bill Tillman > >>> Turn 1 Grand Prix Legends > >>> http://gpl.ga-sports.com/ > >>> ----------Also guys,someplace in my unorganized racing links is a GP2 site that has a
great section on setups by Senna and Prost.I think it's the unOfficial GP2
manual.Great reading.
