1:02.26 at Watkins Glen !!!

Yeah !! Now I'm sure that Jim Clark and Graham Hill were really talented guy backthere in '67. As I fired up GPL and went for an AI race (I was practicing for some event where we had to use default setups) at Glen. I did low 1:05.97 in quals with default setup and on full fuel load. I was pretty satisfied. But then a shock as I returned back to the garage !! The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill following him at 1:02.27sec There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. Ok, I thought...let's try this out :) Started from the back of the pack I had a brilliant start and got from 10th place to 6th out of T3. Then everything went fine through T4 but accelerating out of it (I had a good line) looked like I would only be feeding some 50% throttle. BRM and some others just blew me on the straight ! :( I was on Lotus btw. :) I was blocking off the usual backmarkers as hell until I made a mistake unser instant pressure for 3 laps and in T4 spun out on lap4. I never seen the AI's from then onwards.... The end of the race saw winning Jim Clark with fast lap of 1:02.37 !! I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System .... I mean, who can do those times ? :o) Maybe if I attached wings to Lotti, hehe.... Weird is all I can say.... Tadej Krevh Lotus Internet Racing http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/

Keep practicing, Tadej, the AI drivers are throttling back waiting on you! Unconstrained by the Normalized Player Time system, the AI is capable of results like these. At 1:02, they're just warming up! Watkins Glen Race Results: Practice 1 5 J. Clark LOT 55.98 2 6 G. Hill LOT 56.05 3 9 D. Gurney EAG 56.19 4 3 C. Amon FER 56.30 5 19 B. McLaren EAG 56.31 6 18 L. Bandini FER 56.38 7 2 D. Hulme REP 56.48 8 1 J. Brabham REP 56.50 9 14 J. Rindt COV 56.51 10 7 J. Surtees MUR 56.56 11 15 P. Rodriguez COV 56.60 12 20 M. Parkes FER 56.64 13 11 J. Bonnier COV 56.83 14 16 L. Scarfiotti FER 57.07 15 13 C. Irwin BRM 57.09 16 10 R. Ginther EAG 57.11 17 17 J. Siffert COV 57.11 18 8 J. Beltoise BRM 57.13 19 12 J. Ickx COV 57.60 Official Standings 1 5 J. Clark LOT 146.7 mph 2 6 G. Hill LOT 2.28 3 9 D. Gurney EAG 5.32 4 3 C. Amon FER 8.48 5 19 B. McLaren EAG 9.40 6 18 L. Bandini FER 11.08 7 1 J. Brabham REP 13.35 8 2 D. Hulme REP 14.58 9 14 J. Rindt COV 16.44 10 20 M. Parkes FER 18.44 11 15 P. Rodriguez COV 18.65 12 7 J. Surtees MUR 20.74 13 16 L. Scarfiotti FER 27.48 14 10 R. Ginther EAG 28.03 15 11 J. Bonnier COV 28.61 16 17 J. Siffert COV 29.64 17 8 J. Beltoise BRM 31.17 18 13 C. Irwin BRM 31.77 19 12 J. Ickx COV 37.48 Fastest Lap 5 J. Clark LOT 56.25 These numbers represent the limits of the cars and drivers as they're modeled in GPL. Unrealistic for human drivers? Of course! But then 1:03.xx at The Glen is pretty unrealistic too, isn't it? I think the difference can be summed up like this: 67 F1 GPL GPL Driver Expert AI Computer-Like Close Not yet Yes Decision Making Fear Life on Fear of No the line Failure So until we have no fear (fear of failure, or any other kind) and always maintain robot-like microsecond decision-making capability, the AI will just keep waiting on us! Isn't it nice to know that there will always be somebody that can glue themselves to your gearbox, waiting for you to make the slightest little mistake? I think a lot of people underestimate the value of the AI as a training tool. I can't imagine how anyone couldn't improve their ability by either chasing or being hounded by those little AI minds. And the wonderful thing is that GPL has the flexibility, with the NPT system and the optional INI file overrides, to insure that the competition is always there and tailored to your liking! Don't you just love this sim! Jack Rambo

> The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill > following him at 1:02.27sec > There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. > I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System ... Tadej, did you have a clock smash in an online race lately that resulted in an inaccurate (and impossibly fast) lap time, perhaps? These can really get the AI "hyped up", so to speak. Either that, or you're just too fast for you're own good ;-). Global Hype is a strange concept. I can see how it's a good thing to keep the really fast guys interested (no one wants to pull away in the distance from the top AI), but if you can never really improve in relation to the AI, what's the point? Dave Ewing

Dave... The point is that you're continually getting faster, so that you can beat the guy online who's not training against the AI. And if you're not satisfied with just getting faster, than lock down the NPT system by setting an appropriate NPT Override value, and you'll gradually move up through the field. In Tadej's case, this value, of course, would be something substantially below 1.00. <G>

> The point is that you're continually getting faster, so that you can beat > the guy online who's not training against the AI. > And if you're not satisfied with just getting faster, than lock down the NPT > system by setting an appropriate NPT Override value, and you'll gradually > move up through the field. Hi Jack. Right. I think that a better scheme would have been to have the hype not kick in until you are able to get to the top of the grid. That way, you get more immediate feedback with your progression up the grid. Don't I know it. Dave Ewing

It is the normal GPL thing, as you get faster, the AI gets faster, if you have done low 04's, it will modify the AI and make them faster, normally it makes them faster on teh straight more than turns. You can change a setting in the gpl_ai which will increase the drag on the straights so they get less top speed and are more realistic and have to do all their speed in the turns. Jesse

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>Yeah !! >Now I'm sure that Jim Clark and Graham Hill were really talented guy >backthere in '67. >As I fired up GPL and went for an AI race (I was practicing for some >event where we had >to use default setups) at Glen. I did low 1:05.97 in quals with default >setup and on full fuel >load. I was pretty satisfied. But then a shock as I returned back to the >garage !! >The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill >following him at 1:02.27sec >There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. >Ok, I thought...let's try this out :) >Started from the back of the pack I had a brilliant start and got from >10th place to 6th out of T3. >Then everything went fine through T4 but accelerating out of it (I had a >good line) looked like >I would only be feeding some 50% throttle. BRM and some others just blew >me on the straight ! :( >I was on Lotus btw. :) I was blocking off the usual backmarkers as hell >until I made a mistake unser instant pressure for 3 laps and in T4 spun >out on lap4. I never seen the AI's from then onwards.... >The end of the race saw winning Jim Clark with fast lap of 1:02.37 !! >I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System .... >I mean, who can do those times ? :o) >Maybe if I attached wings to Lotti, hehe.... >Weird is all I can say.... >Tadej Krevh >Lotus Internet Racing >http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/

Hehe....Nah...I'm not that good. I'm yet to break into 1:03's :) On the clock smash laptime, yes, I've had it, 10sec lap at Glen, hehe... Now AI thinks that I __actually__ did that lap, phew !! :-) Not be able to pull away from AI ? Well.. I have no problems with that as long as I have fun. But I usually don't race offline, I have only done some 3 or 4 races till now. I race online, it's more fun. Tadej

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> > The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill > > following him at 1:02.27sec > > There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. > > I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System ... > Tadej, did you have a clock smash in an online race lately that resulted > in an inaccurate (and impossibly fast) lap time, perhaps? These can > really get the AI "hyped up", so to speak. Either that, or you're just > too fast for you're own good ;-). > Global Hype is a strange concept. I can see how it's a good thing to > keep the really fast guys interested (no one wants to pull away in the > distance from the top AI), but if you can never really improve in > relation to the AI, what's the point? > Dave Ewing

Yeah - I have a similar problem at Rouen where I did a 4 second lap with a clock smash. How can I put this right? Also can I turn global hype scaling off or at least turn it down. It's very frustrating that the faster I go, the faster they go, so I can never win because although I can do a few reasonable laps (nowhere near your league, TK) I will never be as consistent as the AI. Cheers, Paul

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> Hehe....Nah...I'm not that good. > I'm yet to break into 1:03's :) > On the clock smash laptime, yes, I've had it, 10sec lap at Glen, hehe... > Now AI thinks that I __actually__ did that lap, phew !! :-) > Not be able to pull away from AI ? Well.. I have no problems with that > as long as I have fun. But I usually don't race offline, I have only done > some 3 or 4 races till now. I race online, it's more fun. > Tadej > > > The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill > > > following him at 1:02.27sec > > > There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. > > > I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System ... > > Tadej, did you have a clock smash in an online race lately that resulted > > in an inaccurate (and impossibly fast) lap time, perhaps? These can > > really get the AI "hyped up", so to speak. Either that, or you're just > > too fast for you're own good ;-). > > Global Hype is a strange concept. I can see how it's a good thing to > > keep the really fast guys interested (no one wants to pull away in the > > distance from the top AI), but if you can never really improve in > > relation to the AI, what's the point? > > Dave Ewing

This could only be the result of a 'warp' lap. The AI scaling works very well normally. What happens is the back of the field speed up to match your lap speed while the front of the field only gain a little speed. If you were really lapping at 1.02 I doubt Clark and Hill would be that near you. It's also worth mentioning that the scaling only kicks in if you are within 20% of the target time for a track but most folks reading this will easily be inside that. The drastic solution is to go to your sub-directory within PLAYERS and delete the PLAYER.STS file. You will reset the AI scaling for all the tracks doing this so your next race will be a dream :) Dave

Damnit, you guys are really starting to make me feel r e a l l y s l o w at Watkins Glen! My best lap is a 1:07! =(

Hi Paul, to reset the global hype rating, just delete the "player.sts" file out of the folder "C:\SIERRA\gpl\players\Jones__Paul". This will reset all the tracks though. I have a program called AI Tweak 103 which can be used to alter/ fix the AI strength if you find that the AI are constantly running away from you :) I forget where it's from but can mail you a copy if you want it. -- Ian Parker ICQ 21772592 >Yeah - I have a similar problem at Rouen where I did a 4 second lap with a >clock smash. >How can I put this right? >Also can I turn global hype scaling off or at least turn it down. It's very >frustrating that the faster I go, the faster they go, so I can never win >because although I can do a few reasonable laps (nowhere near your league, TK) >I will never be as consistent as the AI. >Cheers, >Paul

Well does it work in reverse as well? I just got this thing and the ONLY time I see the AI is when they come flying by...:) If the AI can speed up, maybe it should be able to slowwwwwww down as well. :) dave henrie >It is the normal GPL thing, as you get faster, the AI gets faster, if you >have done low 04's, it will modify the AI and make them faster, normally it >makes them faster on teh straight more than turns. You can change a setting >in the gpl_ai which will increase the drag on the straights so they get less

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>top speed and are more realistic and have to do all their speed in the >turns. >Jesse >>Yeah !! >>Now I'm sure that Jim Clark and Graham Hill were really talented guy >>backthere in '67. >>As I fired up GPL and went for an AI race (I was practicing for some >>event where we had >>to use default setups) at Glen. I did low 1:05.97 in quals with default >>setup and on full fuel >>load. I was pretty satisfied. But then a shock as I returned back to the >>garage !! >>The pole position time was 1:02.26 done by Mr. Clark with Mr. Hill >>following him at 1:02.27sec >>There was also a BRM in 1:02.6x and Brabham in 1:02.4x. >>Ok, I thought...let's try this out :) >>Started from the back of the pack I had a brilliant start and got from >>10th place to 6th out of T3. >>Then everything went fine through T4 but accelerating out of it (I had a >>good line) looked like >>I would only be feeding some 50% throttle. BRM and some others just blew >>me on the straight ! :( >>I was on Lotus btw. :) I was blocking off the usual backmarkers as hell >>until I made a mistake unser instant pressure for 3 laps and in T4 spun >>out on lap4. I never seen the AI's from then onwards.... >>The end of the race saw winning Jim Clark with fast lap of 1:02.37 !! >>I think there should be some reality in Global Hype Scaling System .... >>I mean, who can do those times ? :o) >>Maybe if I attached wings to Lotti, hehe.... >>Weird is all I can say.... >>Tadej Krevh >>Lotus Internet Racing >>http://members.xoom.com/LotusRacing/

Hi Ian, Yes, please, Cheers, Paul

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> Hi Paul, to reset the global hype rating, just delete the "player.sts" file > out of the folder "C:\SIERRA\gpl\players\Jones__Paul". > This will reset all the tracks though. > I have a program called AI Tweak 103 which can be used to alter/ fix the AI > strength if you find that the AI are constantly running away from you :) I > forget where it's from but can mail you a copy if you want it. > -- > Ian Parker > ICQ 21772592 > >Yeah - I have a similar problem at Rouen where I did a 4 second lap with a > >clock smash. > >How can I put this right? > >Also can I turn global hype scaling off or at least turn it down. It's very > >frustrating that the faster I go, the faster they go, so I can never win > >because although I can do a few reasonable laps (nowhere near your league, > TK) > >I will never be as consistent as the AI. > >Cheers, > >Paul

Relax... I only did 1:04.06 till now :) Tadje > Damnit, you guys are really starting to make me feel r e a l l y s l o w > at Watkins Glen! My best lap is a 1:07! =(

Only 1:04.06, Tadej, I thought you were quick but now I realise that you're just a slowpoke like me :-) Cheers, Paul

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> Relax... I only did 1:04.06 till now :) > Tadje > > Damnit, you guys are really starting to make me feel r e a l l y s l o w > > at Watkins Glen! My best lap is a 1:07! =(

I would like to have an option for the AI to do the real 1967 times, no matter how fast I am or the (warped) online track record is. And, of course, a different driver.ini for each track, to model the 1967 season perfectly, qualifying and race perfomances, reliabilty and crashes. Right now, the AI performs the same at each track. Maybe it's different in a complete Grand Prix distance race, but Novice or Pro/Int Short/long are enough for me. Bandini eg. only participated at Monaco, and the unlucky guy did not even finish this race. But he is simulated in every GPL race. And at the Ring, even Formula 2 cars raced with the F1 cars, very competitively btw. -- _____ /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d I XT /~~~~ I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

Adjusting the key in GPL_AI.INI shown below to the value indicated will do just that and will also disable the Normalized Player Time system [magic] npt_override = 1.00 Be sure that you don't add a new key, just change the existing one! Jack Rambo

He did worse than didn't finish. He got severe injuries in his crash through the chicane and died days later due to the injuries according to the GPL maunal.... Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited