(OFF TOPIC) Formula One is just a boring procession

In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul, >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) Remco

>In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. Would be a lot more interesting if they picked random directions! How about making the figure-8 Suzuka a *real* figure 8!

Ooooh! Now we're on difficult political water here. Depends whether you're a Unionist or a Republican - and I am neither. He hails from Northern Ireland, which is technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and they played the British national athem under a Union flag for his victory. However he now lives in Dublin. Does it matter, though? I hate petty nationalism and tribalism. I just said British to make a point - I take no view at all. Cheers, Paul

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> Hi Paul, > >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. > >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's > >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in > >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be > >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). > Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) > Remco

You may not, but there's plenty of us ferocious Micks out here... ;-) >Ooooh! Now we're on difficult political water here. Depends whether you're a >Unionist or a Republican - and I am neither. He hails from Northern Ireland,

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>which is technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and >Northern Ireland and they played the British national athem under a Union >flag for his victory. However he now lives in Dublin. >Does it matter, though? I hate petty nationalism and tribalism. I just said >British to make a point - I take no view at all. >Cheers, >Paul >> Hi Paul, >> >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >> >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >> >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >> >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >> >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). >> Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) >> Remco

No he's not.... Cheers! John

I have to ask you (off topic) do you ever get stopped and have you repeat your name again when you meet someone? Jesse >Ooooh! Now we're on difficult political water here. Depends whether you're a >Unionist or a Republican - and I am neither. He hails from Northern Ireland,

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>which is technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and >Northern Ireland and they played the British national athem under a Union >flag for his victory. However he now lives in Dublin. >Does it matter, though? I hate petty nationalism and tribalism. I just said >British to make a point - I take no view at all. >Cheers, >Paul >> Hi Paul, >> >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >> >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >> >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >> >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >> >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). >> Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) >> Remco

I'm afraid you've lost me completely. Do you mean that "Paul Jones" is a common name? I had a mate called John Smith at university. We had to sign in to some event and both gave our names and the girl behind the till gave us a look that meant, "What are you two trying to hide?". There are 3 Paul Joneses where I work. Cheers, Paul

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> I have to ask you (off topic) do you ever get stopped and have you repeat > your name again when you meet someone? > Jesse > >Ooooh! Now we're on difficult political water here. Depends whether you're > a > >Unionist or a Republican - and I am neither. He hails from Northern > Ireland, > >which is technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > >Northern Ireland and they played the British national athem under a Union > >flag for his victory. However he now lives in Dublin. > >Does it matter, though? I hate petty nationalism and tribalism. I just said > >British to make a point - I take no view at all. > >Cheers, > >Paul > >> Hi Paul, > >> >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. > >> >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's > >> >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in > >> >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be > >> >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). > >> Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) > >> Remco

Do you suggest that they start going in different directions? What type of racing are you comparing F1 to if you say it's boring because they all go in the same direction? Unpredictable race results mean a less boring race in my mind. Now had the McLaren's led the whole race as it seemed they were going to early on, that would have been a boring race. But once you get some of the mid-tier drivers running up front with all the pressure on, you never know what's going to happen. On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:38:47 +0000, Paul Jones

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>In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). >Cheers, >Paul

>In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). This post really says something about F1, that apparently the most interesting thing about it is the country the drivers hail from. daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

>>In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. >Would be a lot more interesting if they picked random directions! How about >making the figure-8 Suzuka a *real* figure 8! Yeah... that might work! I think not! ;-) Adam

>David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? Looks like it. Cheers! John

Sorry, Dave, I was being ironic. I love F1 and thought yesterday's race was a corker. Btw what's the <> symbol for irony? Cheers, Paul

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> Do you suggest that they start going in different directions? What > type of racing are you comparing F1 to if you say it's boring because > they all go in the same direction? Unpredictable race results mean a > less boring race in my mind. Now had the McLaren's led the whole race > as it seemed they were going to early on, that would have been a > boring race. But once you get some of the mid-tier drivers running up > front with all the pressure on, you never know what's going to happen. > On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:38:47 +0000, Paul Jones > >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same direction. > >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's > >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in > >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be > >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). > >Cheers, > >Paul

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>On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:14:07 GMT, >>>David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? >>Looks like it. >>Cheers! >>John >Why, John?

Irvine hails form Northern Ireland, and hence, is British. He races on a Irish (Republic of) Racing license due to his own comments- As it was cheaper to sit at the time. Z. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

> David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? Ok, so I can't stand it anymore and I've got to show my ignorance. Who are David Hobbs and Derek Daly? Cheers, Paul

>> David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? David Hobbs, a British rtacing driver, Did a few F1 gp's in the late 60's early 70's. Derek Daly is an Irish Driver, raced for Tyrrell hmm late 70's. They both commentate now 8) Well in the past for espn, but not sure who now. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

>How about >making the figure-8 Suzuka a *real* figure 8! If anyone can do this, it's Alex Zanardi :) Trey Behan

>Why, John? If they pass on incorrect information then they're incorrect, don't you think? Eddie was born in Northern Ireland (U.K.) and is a British citizen - he holds an Irish racing license and now lives in Dublin. He now "considers himself" as Irish. For podiums the Irish tricolour and the Union Jack are alternated. Now I may consider myself a Bolivian but it doesn't change the fact that I'm legally British. For that matter I may consider myself Scottish (and indeed do), but I'm British in the eyes of the world. It may seem a small distinction, but as a British protestant born in Northern Ireland, raising a tricolour and calling yourself Irish is the sort of thing that has been getting people killed in Northern Ireland for the past 30 odd years. Utterly stupid it may be considered, but there you go. Cheers! John

> > David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? > Ok, so I can't stand it anymore and I've got to show my ignorance. > Who are David Hobbs and Derek Daly? David Hobbs and Derek Daly are former drivers who are now TV commentators. Derek Daly is a former F1 driver from Ireland now on Speedvision's F1 coverage with Sam Posey (a former Can-Am driver). He drove in the late 70's / early 80's for Tyrrell, March, Williams and a couple of other smaller outfits. David Hobbs drove a little F1 (late 60's / early 70's - BRM, Honda, McLaren), as well as other formulae. In fact, he was even an entry in the 1967 British Grand Prix at Silverstone (GPL reference), driving a BRM. He switches off with Derek Bell (yet another former driver - most famous for his success at Le Mans) on Fox Sports F1 coverage. That said - man, the coverage on both Speedvision and Fox Sports was weak for the Australian GP, particularly Fox. I watched the Speedvision coverage live at my neighbors house and then watched a bit of the replay the next morning. Neither team of commentators noticed the smoke filling the air (coming from the Stewarts) before the start of the race. The guys on Fox never noticed that both Stewarts were having the identical problem. They thought it was just Johnny Herbert, even though the camera shots showed the cars in different places and the drivers talking to different people. Neither team explained why it was okay for half the field to pass Mika Hakkinen at the start of the parade lap. Fox completely missed the restart during a commercial (when Irvine and the rest of the leaders swarmed by Hakkinen). Then when they showed the replay of the restart, they prattled on about how F1 drivers just aren't used to these re-starts, even though it was obvious that Hakkinen was having mechanical trouble. At least Murray Walker's numerous mistakes sound amusing. I hope the coverage is better in other parts of the world. Dave Ewing

In the UK it's great. Our coverage on ITV has its critics but I like it. I miss the BBC's advert-free races but we have so much more now. At least half an hour's build-up, at least 15 minutes of analysis. Also interviews, press conferences and what I think is the best commentary team on TV. And with satellite TV I watch the German coverage during the ad-breaks. My German isn't that great but I get most of it :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

no, paula jones, get it....cricket cricket Jesse >I'm afraid you've lost me completely. Do you mean that "Paul Jones" is a common >name? I had a mate called John Smith at university. We had to sign in to some >event and both gave our names and the girl behind the till gave us a look that

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>meant, "What are you two trying to hide?". There are 3 Paul Joneses where I >work. >Cheers, >Paul >> I have to ask you (off topic) do you ever get stopped and have you repeat >> your name again when you meet someone? >> Jesse >> >Ooooh! Now we're on difficult political water here. Depends whether

you're >> a >> >Unionist or a Republican - and I am neither. He hails from Northern >> Ireland, >> >which is technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and >> >Northern Ireland and they played the British national athem under a Union >> >flag for his victory. However he now lives in Dublin. >> >Does it matter, though? I hate petty nationalism and tribalism. I just said

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>> >British to make a point - I take no view at all. >> >Cheers, >> >Paul >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> >In the way that all the cars go around the track in the same

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>> >> >Even if some seer had seen in his/her crystal ball that this year's >> >> >Australian Grand Prix would have been won by a Brit with a German in >> >> >second, who would have been able to predict that the Brit would be >> >> >Irvine (not Coulthard) and the German, Frentzen (and not Schumacher). >> >> Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) >> >> Remco

I know. It's pretty ***ing sad when you notice things the paid "professional" comentators miss. What burns me up even more is when the commentators try to make something out of nothing. Take the finish on Speedvision, for instance. I don't know who those dorks were, but they were all doom and gloom for Eddie, especially on the camera showing the S/F straight "He's not going to make it!" "Blather blather blather" Fools. Fox was slightly better, but as you say, they totally missed the Stewart plight. Also missed why Johnny didn't get the spare car (worse qualifying time). And they totally left Jordan out of the picture until HH was obviously going to finish on the podium. I swear, if it weren't for the engine sounds, I'd just as soon turn the sound down during a GP since Bob Varsha stopped commentating. BTW, Varsha is not (I could be wrong) a former driver-turned-commentator, but he is (was) extremely well-educated on the shenanigans of teams and the histories of the current crop of drivers. Maybe his writers left when he did, I don't know, but I sure miss the semi-intelligent on-the-spot analysis he gave. But that's just me. Mikey Avetikus Racing

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|That said - man, the coverage on both Speedvision and Fox Sports was |weak for the Australian GP, particularly Fox. I watched the Speedvision |coverage live at my neighbors house and then watched a bit of the replay |the next morning. Neither team of commentators noticed the smoke |filling the air (coming from the Stewarts) before the start of the |race. The guys on Fox never noticed that both Stewarts were having the |identical problem. They thought it was just Johnny Herbert, even though |the camera shots showed the cars in different places and the drivers |talking to different people. Neither team explained why it was okay for |half the field to pass Mika Hakkinen at the start of the parade lap. |Fox completely missed the restart during a commercial (when Irvine and |the rest of the leaders swarmed by Hakkinen). Then when they showed the |replay of the restart, they prattled on about how F1 drivers just aren't |used to these re-starts, even though it was obvious that Hakkinen was |having mechanical trouble. | |At least Murray Walker's numerous mistakes sound amusing. I hope the |coverage is better in other parts of the world. | |Dave Ewing

>I know. It's pretty ***ing sad when you notice things the paid >"professional" comentators miss. What burns me up even more is when the >commentators try to make something out of nothing. Talking of this I noticed Ralph's right hand bargeboard go under his car and flying out the back about 5 laps from the end and no-one mentioned it at all. Dean

I believe he wears the green and orange on his helmet to show no particular religious or political bent. Perhaps Formula 1 would be better off doing as Masons do at there meetings and ban all discussion of religion and politics so everybody is considered equal and no bad feelings ensue.

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> >Why, John? > If they pass on incorrect information then they're incorrect, don't > you think? > Eddie was born in Northern Ireland (U.K.) and is a British citizen - > he holds an Irish racing license and now lives in Dublin. He now > "considers himself" as Irish. For podiums the Irish tricolour and the > Union Jack are alternated. > Now I may consider myself a Bolivian but it doesn't change the fact > that I'm legally British. For that matter I may consider myself > Scottish (and indeed do), but I'm British in the eyes of the world. It > may seem a small distinction, but as a British protestant born in > Northern Ireland, raising a tricolour and calling yourself Irish is > the sort of thing that has been getting people killed in Northern > Ireland for the past 30 odd years. Utterly stupid it may be > considered, but there you go. > Cheers! > John

I am yet to see a good commentator for Cars or Bikes wether on Free to Air or Cable. The best I ever heard was Wayne Gardner but his driving commitments replaced his Motrocycle commentary. Event he on track commentators are not as good as they used to be because they rely too much on what the monitors are showing them. In the old days they had spotters and binoculars.

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> >I know. It's pretty ***ing sad when you notice things the paid > >"professional" comentators miss. What burns me up even more is when the > >commentators try to make something out of nothing. > Talking of this I noticed Ralph's right hand bargeboard go under his car and > flying out the back about 5 laps from the end and no-one mentioned it at > all. > Dean

The best I've heard is unquestionably Martin Brundle on ITV. He picks up on almost everything and gives us a real insight into so many aspects of the sport as well as the racers. The very best thing is that you can be almost sure the Murray Walker will make 10 complete howlers in a race and that MB will correct him. F1'97 has MB saying "You're right there, Murray" every minute or so - nothing could be further from the truth. James Hunt (sadly missed) was a useful commentator as well. Having said that ITVs coverage of the race was very bad. They missed so much of the action that it is hard to believe it was accidental. Remco Moedt sais on another thread that Canal+ got all the good shots in - do you suppose that Bernie has given them a watered down contract so that he can make still more money from satellite. Cheers, Paul

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> I am yet to see a good commentator for Cars or Bikes wether on Free to Air or > Cable. The best I ever heard was Wayne Gardner but his driving commitments > replaced his Motrocycle commentary. Event he on track commentators are not as > good as they used to be because they rely too much on what the monitors are > showing them. In the old days they had spotters and binoculars. > > >I know. It's pretty ***ing sad when you notice things the paid > > >"professional" comentators miss. What burns me up even more is when the > > >commentators try to make something out of nothing. > > Talking of this I noticed Ralph's right hand bargeboard go under his car and > > flying out the back about 5 laps from the end and no-one mentioned it at > > all. > > Dean

Oh, so that's a British accent??? I think not John... he's as Irish as a pint of Guiness! :-) -_dave > >Nobody I guess.....The reason could be that Irvine is Irish. :-) > No he's not.... > Cheers! > John -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

What's a British accent? There's no such thing! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Hehehe! So, I must have an *American* accent, right?:-) --Dave

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> >Oh, so that's a British accent??? > What's a British accent? There's no such thing! > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > ICQ# 11257824 > 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

>Oh, so that's a British accent??? I think not John... he's as Irish as a >pint of Guiness! You do know that Guiness isn't made exclusivley in Ireland? You also realise that people in Northern Ireland have Irish accents as well?!?!?! <gasp!> You will therefore not be too shocked to find out that you are also wrong. Next! John

Shazam! :-) That set me straight, huh?? Well, technocality schmecnocality.... he's Irish, I don't care what the flag says. And, yeah, the brew all kinds of stuff all over the place... they probably even brew (american) Budweiser in Europe (not talking about the real Czech stuff)... now there's an American export I cannot stand behind! :-) --dave (an American that loves drinking Irish Guiness)

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> >Oh, so that's a British accent??? I think not John... he's as Irish as a > >pint of Guiness! > You do know that Guiness isn't made exclusivley in Ireland? You also > realise that people in Northern Ireland have Irish accents as > well?!?!?! <gasp!> > You will therefore not be too shocked to find out that you are also > wrong. > Next! > John

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Quite right. More Guinness is brewed at Park Royal, London than in Dublin !! Mark

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>>Oh, so that's a British accent??? I think not John... he's as Irish as a >>pint of Guiness! >You do know that Guiness isn't made exclusivley in Ireland? You also >realise that people in Northern Ireland have Irish accents as >well?!?!?! <gasp!> >You will therefore not be too shocked to find out that you are also >wrong. >Next! >John

Yeah. we have at least 10 regional accents in England alone, let alone the Scot, Ulster and Welsh flavours which also have variations upon a theme Mark

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>>Oh, so that's a British accent??? >What's a British accent? There's no such thing! >-- >Cheers! >Graeme Nash >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk >ICQ# 11257824 >1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

>Shazam! :-) That set me straight, huh?? Apparently not.... :-) I trust you will maintain that devil-may-care sentiment if ever you are on the wrong side of the Falls Road and the subject comes up in a pub discussion? You might want to check your health insurance - and your life insurance. Whatever anyone would LIKE their nationality to be, it is what it is until legally changed - Daly et al are therefore wrong, which was the original point. You can't beat the Budwar :-) Mind you, Leff, Deuchar's IPA, Huberweiss - Europe has _lots_ of great beers, we can cope with some imported coloured water ;-) Cheers! John

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> >> David Hobbs and Derek Daly are incorrect? > David Hobbs, a British rtacing driver, Did a few F1 gp's in the late 60's > early 70's. > Derek Daly is an Irish Driver, raced for Tyrrell hmm late 70's. > They both commentate now 8) > Well in the past for espn, but not sure who now.

Derek Day is doing the color commentary with Mike Joy on Fox Sports for F1 this season. Don't know what David Hobbs is up to this year,but last year he did Trans-Am commentary. Joel Willstein

Hi John... > I trust you will maintain that devil-may-care sentiment if ever you > are on the wrong side of the Falls Road and the subject comes up in a > pub discussion? You might want to check your health insurance - and > your life insurance. Hah! There were some pubs when I lived in Boston that I wouldn't have raised that topic! I may *believe* Irvine is Irish and has an *Irish* accent, but I'm not stupid enough to do something THAT life threatening! :-) Again... technicality... yes, you're right. But... ah, what the hell. Just pour me a pint of Beamish!! :-) (and one for yourself, while you're at it) Prost! --Dave -- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:28:04 -0500, Joel Willstein > Derek Day is doing the color commentary with Mike Joy on Fox Sports >for F1 this season. Don't know what David Hobbs is up to this year,but >last year he did Trans-Am commentary. >Joel Willstein I believe you mean Derek Bell is doing the Fox Sports coverage. (I don't watch it). Daly, Hobbs and Posey are doing F1 (among other motorsport coverage) at Speedvision... Jeff

> I am yet to see a good commentator for Cars or Bikes wether on Free > to Air or > Cable. In the UK, one of our channels "ITV" has Martin Brundle co commentating with the legendary Murray Walker. Brundle (being an ex F1 driver and very experienced in motorsport as a competitor) is an excellent commentator, and often corrects Murrays (proffesional TV Commentator) many errors. And he has a pretty ggod sense of humour too..... 8-) *Peter* #:-)

Continuing the technicality debate: The Romans called the islands to the north and west of Gaul (now France) the Pretannic islands, of which the two largest were Eire (the modern day Rupublic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) and Albion (modern day England, Wales and Scotland). The word Britain derives from Prettanic and so in many senses the British Isles covers all of the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. In anybody's definition Scotland and Wales will always be in Britain, whether or not they achieve independence from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in much the same way the Croatia and Bosnia will always be in the Balkans even though they are now independant of Yugoslavia. Using the Roman definition of Prettanic then Eddie Irvine is as British as James Joyce, Robert the Bruce, Dylan Thomas or Winston Churchill. Cheers, Paul

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> Hi John... > > I trust you will maintain that devil-may-care sentiment if ever you > > are on the wrong side of the Falls Road and the subject comes up in a > > pub discussion? You might want to check your health insurance - and > > your life insurance. > Hah! There were some pubs when I lived in Boston that I wouldn't have > raised that topic! I may *believe* Irvine is Irish and has an *Irish* > accent, but I'm not stupid enough to do something THAT life threatening! > :-) > > Whatever anyone would LIKE their nationality to be, it is what it is > > until legally changed - Daly et al are therefore wrong, which was the > > original point. > Again... technicality... yes, you're right. But... ah, what the hell. > Just pour me a pint of Beamish!! :-) (and one for yourself, while you're > at it) > Prost! > --Dave > -- > Dave Schwabe > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:42:09 +0000, Paul Jones >they are now independant of Yugoslavia. Using the Roman definition of >Prettanic then Eddie Irvine is as British as James Joyce, Robert the Bruce, >Dylan Thomas or Winston Churchill. "How can I be a traitor, when England is foreign to me...." :-) Cheers! John

Get on your knees and thank your creator for not knowing enough German to "really" understand what Mr. Wasser has to say. Christian Danner is cool, he even drove/drives Indycar for a while with his "Project Indy" team, and he's rather unbiased in his commentary, but oh my, Wasser's BS even makes Murray Walker look like some Nobel laureate. Unbelievable what utter jerks they allow commenting on privately held tv these days... If you filtered the words "Schumacher", "German" and maybe "Germany" out of Wasser's endless drivel you'd end up with 90% silence from him. Bring back English-only F1 on Eurosport, with the late great John Watson and maybe Ben Edwards (although I liked Alard Caalf better). Anyone know what Mr. Watson is up to these days? Uwe -- Spam-proof e-mail: Uwe Schuerkamp <hoover at telemedia . de> http://www.telemedia.de/~hoover ////// Phone: +49-5241-80-10-66 Best of Scottish Folk: http://home.pages.de/~nsg >>> Blue Ribbon Campaign: Support Free Speech on the Internet <<<

<SnipClipCutWhatever> Is that Allard Kalff? Yeah, I liked his comment on SportNet. Good racer, too. He did a Formule Ford race once, on Zandvoort. He had some qualify problems and started 4th. He passed the cars in front of him on the first lap in the Tarzan, on the outside! After the Tarzan he was in the lead and won the race. Awesome. Currently he is pit reporter by a Dutch commercial TV station. Remco

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> >And with satellite TV I watch the German coverage during the ad-breaks. > >My German isn't that great but I get most of it :-) > Get on your knees and thank your creator for not knowing enough German > to "really" understand what Mr. Wasser has to say. Christian Danner is > cool, he even drove/drives Indycar for a while with his "Project Indy" > team, and he's rather unbiased in his commentary, but oh my, Wasser's > BS even makes Murray Walker look like some Nobel

And isn't it funny, how Danner always tries to correct the wrong or just silly comments from Wasser without pissing him off too much...?? ;^) l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> > >And with satellite TV I watch the German coverage during the ad-breaks. > > >My German isn't that great but I get most of it :-) > > Get on your knees and thank your creator for not knowing enough German > > to "really" understand what Mr. Wasser has to say. Christian Danner is > > cool, he even drove/drives Indycar for a while with his "Project Indy" > > team, and he's rather unbiased in his commentary, but oh my, Wasser's > > BS even makes Murray Walker look like some Nobel > And isn't it funny, how Danner always tries to correct the wrong or just > silly comments from Wasser without pissing him off too much...?? ;^) > l8er > ronny

<g> Even watched a race last year when Niki Lauda got really mad with Wasser, think it was the Schu JR vs Herbert bout at Monza? LOL, that was funny!! Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons www.cheekracing.electra.no/GPL/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------