N2 Becomes N-Rev!

After reading the *** crashing reports of NASCAR Revolution, I went and tried N2 in Michigan to see how the AI cars would drive on their own (for a future project of mine). After like 40 laps there was this HUGE crash that involved over half of the field and took out more than 10 cars: Race Final 6/23 Race No. 12 Michigan Speedway 2.000 miles 50 laps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fin Str Driver Laps Led Pts Qual Reason Out -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 12 #23 Jimmy Spencer 50 9 180 39.395 Running 2 10 #1 Steve Park 50 0 170 39.363 Running 3 4 #21 Michael Waltrip 50 0 165 39.269 Running 4 18 #99 Jeff Burton 50 0 160 39.486 Running 5 23 #28 Kenny Irwin Jr. 50 0 155 39.628 Running 6 25 #30 Derrike Cope 50 0 150 39.726 Running 7 11 #2 Rusty Wallace 50 0 146 39.387 Running 8 9 #36 Ernie Irvan 50 0 142 39.336 Running 9 7 #40 Sterling Marlin 50 0 138 39.332 Running 10 3 #5 Terry Labonte 50 0 134 39.114 Running 11 34 #75 Rick Mast 49 0 130 39.953 Running 12 15 #88 Dale Jarrett 49 0 127 39.431 Running 13 17 #4 Bobby Hamilton 49 0 124 39.481 Running 14 5 #3 Dale Earnhardt 49 0 121 39.282 Running 15 28 #81 Kenny Wallace 49 0 118 39.796 Running 16 33 #44 Kyle Petty 49 0 115 39.916 Running 17 27 #11 Brett Bodine 49 0 112 39.781 Running 18 21 #26 Johnny Benson 49 0 109 39.563 Running 19 36 #10 Ricky Rudd 49 0 106 40.080 Running 20 37 #42 Joe Nemechek 49 0 103 40.241 Running 21 19 #35 Darrell Waltrip 48 0 100 39.536 Running 22 38 #71 Dave Marcis 46 0 97 40.261 Running 23 8 #94 Bill Elliott 41 0 94 39.336 Accident 24 1 #6 Mark Martin 41 39 101 39.001 Accident 25 6 #24 Jeff Gordon 41 0 88 39.311 Accident 26 16 #31 Mike Skinner 41 0 85 39.465 Accident 27 2 #12 Jeremy Mayfield 41 2 87 39.010 Accident 28 32 #90 Dick Trickle 40 0 79 39.881 Accident 29 14 #33 Ken Schrader 40 0 76 39.423 Accident 30 24 #43 John Andretti 40 0 73 39.719 Accident 31 29 #9 Jerry Nadeau 40 0 70 39.801 Accident 32 31 #7 Geoff Bodine 40 0 67 39.870 Accident 33 35 #77 Robert Pressley 40 0 64 39.998 Accident 34 26 #97 Chad Little 40 0 61 39.750 Accident 35 30 #98 Rich Bickle 40 0 58 39.814 Accident 36 20 #16 Kevin Lepage 40 0 55 39.536 Accident 37 13 #18 Bobby Labonte 40 0 52 39.416 Accident 38 22 #22 Ward Burton 21 0 49 39.588 Gearbox You rarely see these kinds of accidents started by a single AI car spinning! If anyone is interested in seeing the replay, I have it on my hard drive.What was most amazing (apart from Steve Park finishing second) was that it only took them two laps to clear the field! Will N3 include red flags? - "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone would use it to keep the window open."

>my hard drive.What was most amazing (apart from Steve Park finishing >second) was that it only took them two laps to clear the field! >Will N3 include red flags? LOL! That's gotta be SOME replay!! The time it takes to "clean up a mess" is also my complaint about N2/99/50th; not only does it seem to happen too quickly, but since you see no "clean up" it just feels like you're suddenly doing a bunch of 45mph laps... Red flags would be cool... Side question: is yellow-flag speed limit the same as pit road speed limit in RL? Seems that way in N2/99/50th. I'm sure the WC cars don't go that slow during yellow - do they? "Gunner" ORSA Bronze #78 Navy Dodge truck

I'm not sure for all tracks, but no, the pit road speed limit is not the same as the pace car speed limit. At Daytona, I think the pit road limit is like 65 and pace laps are around 75mph because they need to maintain that speed so they don't slide down the banking. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

If the crash is so bad then yes. I'm not saying they should simulate drivers trying to get out of their cars in the middle of the pileup, just that each car is towed out of the track (even if at a faster pace than in real life) and once the raceway is clear, you would be allowed to start driving again. Just make it optional and no-one would mind I'm sure. - "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone would use it to keep the window open."

<snip> No, the yellow flag and pit road speeds aren't neccesarily the same. NASCAR does run the pitroad speed limit during some of the pace laps so the teams can get the exact RPM's they should run to be at the limit. This is when you see two (or more?) groups of cars, each behind different pace cars. -- Ken "If I went 'round claiming I was Emperor because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away" - anonymous peasant Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) geocities (dot) com volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

Pee breaks :) -Larry > I don't understand, why do you want red flags? Just to sit still for 30 > minutes while not racing? > Jon