GPL tire squeal

Randy Cassidy,your opinion on this would be greatly appreciated.With Nascar3 on the horizon I think this could really be an excellent addition.But youll probably wrong me again:)) What is everyones opinion about different tire squeal sounds for the front and rear tires in GPL.Awhile back I was posting about using 4speakers for the tire squeals.Front speakers for the fronts and rear for the rears.It never caught anyones attention and so I gave up on asking Papy for it in a patch.But I believe that different tire squeals for the fronts and rears would be a more practical approach since everyone doesnt own a 4speaker setup and would give a valuable feedback to driving on the edge of traction. The Rouen track is so awesome in my brand new Lotus.My first attempt at this track with a Lotus and a lowrider default setup was a blistering 1:58:14.My best with my rookie ride(Cooper)was an on its edge 2:00:25.How can differing screech sounds help me to drive better you ask.Take the last turn at Rouen that leads onto the front straight as one of many places this could help.My technique is to accelerate up to 3rd gear before the turn and just maintain the revs below below the redline until the turn-in point,lift slightly and hug the apex....wait awhile and then gun it "knowing" that my rear tires are already on their edge and that the rear will step out under power.This works perfectly for qualifying where I can do the same speed thru that turn everytime BUT not in traffic since the degree of slip at the front and rear will differ at varying speeds.By taking the turn slower than usual and having different tire sounds,I could easily tell that my rear tires are not at their edge while my fronts are and we all know what a burst of fuel will cause here.Gunning the throttle at this moment will not break the rears loose but instead transfer more weight off the already sliding fronts and off the track I go.By just this one example I could see many other places this would help out in GPL.The Rouen hairpin is understeer hell in the Lotus and it would be great to just hear the fronts sliding and know that more screech sounds does not mean the rears are breaking loose.Does anyone see my point here? Would it work to give a better feel to GPL?The fast righthander at Rouen would also benefit from this.As fast as possible without understeering off the track is the name of the game here.Hearing the front tires reach their edge will signal that more steering lock wont help out but that a reduction in throttle will.This example shows that it could help out with Nascar3 since excess wheel lock will burn the softer tires too quickly and will slow you down excessivly on the ovals. Anyone care to comment here.Please do as I really feel this would help out I would like to know I am wrong here. Skeeter

An excellent suggestion, in my opinion. It would help me a lot in GPL and presumably so in N3, too. Marc.

ICR2 used different "skidding" sounds for front and back. It was an excellent feature for exactly the reasons you describe. I'm not sure why Papy didn't keep the idea in GPL.... would be good. Regards, David Mocnay

Wow,I didnt know this about ICR2.If Randy Cassidy could give us the reason why they changed it to the way it is now would be great. Skeeter

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>Regards, >David Mocnay >> Randy Cassidy,your opinion on this would be greatly appreciated.With >>Nascar3 on the horizon I think this could really be an excellent >>addition.But youll probably wrong me again:)) >> What is everyones opinion about different tire squeal sounds for the >>front and rear tires in GPL.Awhile back I was posting about using >>4speakers for the tire squeals.Front speakers for the fronts and rear >>for the rears.It never caught anyones attention and so I gave up on >>asking Papy for it in a patch.But I believe that different tire >>squeals for the fronts and rears would be a more practical approach >>since everyone doesnt own a 4speaker setup and would give a valuable >>feedback to driving on the edge of traction. >> The Rouen track is so awesome in my brand new Lotus.My first attempt >>at this track with a Lotus and a lowrider default setup was a >>blistering 1:58:14.My best with my rookie ride(Cooper)was an on its >>edge 2:00:25.How can differing screech sounds help me to drive better >>you ask.Take the last turn at Rouen that leads onto the front straight >>as one of many places this could help.My technique is to accelerate up >>to 3rd gear before the turn and just maintain the revs below below the >>redline until the turn-in point,lift slightly and hug the apex....wait >>awhile and then gun it "knowing" that my rear tires are already on >>their edge and that the rear will step out under power.This works >>perfectly for qualifying where I can do the same speed thru that turn >>everytime BUT not in traffic since the degree of slip at the front and >>rear will differ at varying speeds.By taking the turn slower than >>usual and having different tire sounds,I could easily tell that my >>rear tires are not at their edge while my fronts are and we all know >>what a burst of fuel will cause here.Gunning the throttle at this >>moment will not break the rears loose but instead transfer more weight >>off the already sliding fronts and off the track I go.By just this one >>example I could see many other places this would help out in GPL.The >>Rouen hairpin is understeer hell in the Lotus and it would be great to >>just hear the fronts sliding and know that more screech sounds does >>not mean the rears are breaking loose.Does anyone see my point here? >>Would it work to give a better feel to GPL?The fast righthander at >>Rouen would also benefit from this.As fast as possible without >>understeering off the track is the name of the game here.Hearing the >>front tires reach their edge will signal that more steering lock wont >>help out but that a reduction in throttle will.This example shows that >>it could help out with Nascar3 since excess wheel lock will burn the >>softer tires too quickly and will slow you down excessivly on the >>ovals. >> Anyone care to comment here.Please do as I really feel this would >>help out I would like to know I am wrong here. >>Skeeter

I like the idea of surround squeal. // johan

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> Randy Cassidy,your opinion on this would be greatly appreciated.With > Nascar3 on the horizon I think this could really be an excellent > addition.But youll probably wrong me again:)) > What is everyones opinion about different tire squeal sounds for the > front and rear tires in GPL.Awhile back I was posting about using > 4speakers for the tire squeals.Front speakers for the fronts and rear > for the rears.It never caught anyones attention and so I gave up on > asking Papy for it in a patch.But I believe that different tire > squeals for the fronts and rears would be a more practical approach > since everyone doesnt own a 4speaker setup and would give a valuable > feedback to driving on the edge of traction. > The Rouen track is so awesome in my brand new Lotus.My first attempt > at this track with a Lotus and a lowrider default setup was a > blistering 1:58:14.My best with my rookie ride(Cooper)was an on its > edge 2:00:25.How can differing screech sounds help me to drive better > you ask.Take the last turn at Rouen that leads onto the front straight > as one of many places this could help.My technique is to accelerate up > to 3rd gear before the turn and just maintain the revs below below the > redline until the turn-in point,lift slightly and hug the apex....wait > awhile and then gun it "knowing" that my rear tires are already on > their edge and that the rear will step out under power.This works > perfectly for qualifying where I can do the same speed thru that turn > everytime BUT not in traffic since the degree of slip at the front and > rear will differ at varying speeds.By taking the turn slower than > usual and having different tire sounds,I could easily tell that my > rear tires are not at their edge while my fronts are and we all know > what a burst of fuel will cause here.Gunning the throttle at this > moment will not break the rears loose but instead transfer more weight > off the already sliding fronts and off the track I go.By just this one > example I could see many other places this would help out in GPL.The > Rouen hairpin is understeer hell in the Lotus and it would be great to > just hear the fronts sliding and know that more screech sounds does > not mean the rears are breaking loose.Does anyone see my point here? > Would it work to give a better feel to GPL?The fast righthander at > Rouen would also benefit from this.As fast as possible without > understeering off the track is the name of the game here.Hearing the > front tires reach their edge will signal that more steering lock wont > help out but that a reduction in throttle will.This example shows that > it could help out with Nascar3 since excess wheel lock will burn the > softer tires too quickly and will slow you down excessivly on the > ovals. > Anyone care to comment here.Please do as I really feel this would > help out I would like to know I am wrong here. > Skeeter

Excellent idea! Especially in surround. Send it in to Papyrus now, while they still have time to put it in the patch. - Michael