The new GPL SOUNDS ROCK!!!!!!!

% I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: % Here's a direct link. % http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm While the sounds are great, I have one complaint with them. The loops are too long. My GPL seems to hiccup while it loads the long wav files. The default sound waves for GPL run in the 70 to 80 kb range not 211 kb. But, I guess it's okay once they are loaded. Maybe GPL hiccups because I only have 64meg of memory? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Agreed. What a difference. It was a tough choice between the Ferrari sounds. Patrick's had more base, but I kept the original just 'cause it was the first sound I heard when I bought the game. The BRM sounds were fairly similiar to my untrained ear, both very cool, but the new sound was a tad too loud at the top end. The Honda is incredible, no longer the boring "sounds like everything else" car that it was, but the Cooper is the reason behind this post. I absolutely love it. I sat in the pit without touching the gas just to hear the thing idle. And just as a warning, make sure to move any large metal objects (ie. filing cabinets) out of the computer room before firing up the cooper and cranking the volume. Even my little 15w subwoofer had the cabinets resonating between 8500 and 9000rpm. Great Job! Thanks much. Brian Fox http://www.geocities.com/~foxman H lp! S m b d st l ll th v w ls fr m m k yb rd!

Ummm....it's supposed to be there. That's what a high-revving Italian piece of machinery sounds like...glorious!! Marc. >> both very cool, but the new sound was a tad too loud at the top end. The >> Honda is incredible, no longer the boring "sounds like everything else" car >> that it was, but the Cooper is the reason behind this post. I absolutely >> love it. I sat in the pit without touching the gas just to hear the thing >> idle. And just as a warning, make sure to move any large metal objects (ie.

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>> filing cabinets) out of the computer room before firing up the cooper and >> cranking the volume. Even my little 15w subwoofer had the cabinets >> resonating between 8500 and 9000rpm. Great Job! Thanks much. >Do you get a high pitch with the new Cooper sound? I don't hear it when >I play the sound manually, but in the sim I hear it. The low engine >sound is very cool, but if the high pitch on top of that is not supposed >to be there, I have something configured wrong... >David

>Do you get a high pitch with the new Cooper sound? I don't hear it when >I play the sound manually, but in the sim I hear it. The low engine >sound is very cool, but if the high pitch on top of that is not supposed >to be there, I have something configured wrong... There is a whining noise to the cooper sound, but it is also in the weslake.wav file. It is just more pronounced at higher rpm's. It could also depend on your speakers. Brian Fox http://www.geocities.com/~foxman H lp! S m b d st l ll th v w ls fr m m k yb rd!

I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: Here's a direct link. http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm Upon advice from ALison... AND THEY ARE TOTATLLY AWESOME!!!! They change all the car sounds (or just a few if you want)... and they totally change the game!!!! The V12's actually sound live resignating (is that how you spell?>?) beastS!!!! Not off cut Nascar V8's :-) Go and get them NOW!!!! you won't regret it... BUT.. I think the Ferrari and H16 sounds can be kept... The orignal / defaults are pretty good and the new ones aren't quite as good... but I'm sure Patrick will fix this.... :-) Get them now.... James Pickard, Melbourne AUSTRALIA PS.. teh Honda is the BEST!!!

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> both very cool, but the new sound was a tad too loud at the top end. The > Honda is incredible, no longer the boring "sounds like everything else" car > that it was, but the Cooper is the reason behind this post. I absolutely > love it. I sat in the pit without touching the gas just to hear the thing > idle. And just as a warning, make sure to move any large metal objects (ie. > filing cabinets) out of the computer room before firing up the cooper and > cranking the volume. Even my little 15w subwoofer had the cabinets > resonating between 8500 and 9000rpm. Great Job! Thanks much.

Do you get a high pitch with the new Cooper sound? I don't hear it when I play the sound manually, but in the sim I hear it. The low engine sound is very cool, but if the high pitch on top of that is not supposed to be there, I have something configured wrong... David

Yes, Mike, I am concerned about the loop length too... that's the only reason I have not installed them. Patrick, is it necessary?? --Dave

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> % I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: > % Here's a direct link. > % http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm > While the sounds are great, I have one complaint with them. The loops > are too long. My GPL seems to hiccup while it loads the long wav files. > The default sound waves for GPL run in the 70 to 80 kb range not 211 kb. > But, I guess it's okay once they are loaded. Maybe GPL hiccups because I > only have 64meg of memory? > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Hi Dave, There is probably some room for me to shorten the loops a bit. The main reason they are long is down to my method for creating a seamless loop. I reverse the sound and paste it back-to-back with the original. That tends to lengthen the overall loop a bit. A side benefit of the longer loop is that it tends to minimize oscillation effects that sometime appear with shorter loops at high revs. Another way of decreasing the file size would be to convert to 8-bit rather than 16-bit (4 of 5 GPL originals are 16bit, one is 8-bit for some reason). There would be a decrease in sound quality but it might not be that noticeable. I didn't observe any performance impact whatsoever when I put the new sounds on my system. That said I have a pretty high spec rig running at 450Mhz, 128Meg RAM. I would be very interested in any more feedback if people think BTW, I'm planning to put a tutorial up on my site since so many people seem to be interested in making good sound loops. best regards, Patrick >Yes, Mike, I am concerned about the loop length too... that's the only >reason I have not installed them. >Patrick, is it necessary??

Work fine here too, 128MB, excellent work by the way :) Is there any way to get a bassier sounding original Ferrari sound? ( God I love that sound :) ) -- Ian Parker ICQ 21772592 >Michael, do you realise what you just said?! >*ONLY* 64 meg??!!!!! >Time was only yesterday (or so it seems) where if we had 16Mb we were >one-up on the Joneses! :o) >Anyway, you are probably correct....I use 128Mb and run Pats sounds and >don't appear to have a hestitation problem. >Cheers. >----------

Yeh I agree, the new GPL sounds do make the game alot more enjoyable!! Get them if you play GPL alot..easy to install too PassedYa >Ummm....it's supposed to be there. That's what a high-revving Italian piece

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>of machinery sounds like...glorious!! >Marc. >>> both very cool, but the new sound was a tad too loud at the top end.

The >>> Honda is incredible, no longer the boring "sounds like everything else" >car >>> that it was, but the Cooper is the reason behind this post. I absolutely >>> love it. I sat in the pit without touching the gas just to hear the >thing >>> idle. And just as a warning, make sure to move any large metal objects >(ie. >>> filing cabinets) out of the computer room before firing up the cooper and

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>>> cranking the volume. Even my little 15w subwoofer had the cabinets >>> resonating between 8500 and 9000rpm. Great Job! Thanks much. >>Do you get a high pitch with the new Cooper sound? I don't hear it when >>I play the sound manually, but in the sim I hear it. The low engine >>sound is very cool, but if the high pitch on top of that is not supposed >>to be there, I have something configured wrong... >>David

Michael, do you realise what you just said?! *ONLY* 64 meg??!!!!! Time was only yesterday (or so it seems) where if we had 16Mb we were one-up on the Joneses! :o) Anyway, you are probably correct....I use 128Mb and run Pats sounds and don't appear to have a hestitation problem. Cheers. -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- HMRC Web site address is:- http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm ----------

>I didn't observe any performance impact whatsoever when I put the new sounds >on my system. That said I have a pretty high spec rig running at 450Mhz, >128Meg RAM. I would be very interested in any more feedback if people think I am using these new excellent sounds in PII 350, 64 ram, Voodoo II, and they seem to work faultless! Thanks to the maker! Arto PS The "feel and sense" of GPL got even better with these real sounds!

Patrick, your sounds are working great for me on a Celeron300a/450 with 128megs RAM, noticed no problems at all. Just wanted to thank you for the amazing Eagle engine sound, terrific how in the high rev range you can almost hear a chassis vibration resonance in a way that I could imagine a real 1967 Westlake would cause the chassis to vibrate at maximum revs... If you decide to try out 8bit samples please continue to make the 16bit samples available to those of us that want to hear that high quality music of cylinders and exhaust. Great job and thanks! Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>Hi Dave, >There is probably some room for me to shorten the loops a bit. The main >reason they are long is down to my method for creating a seamless loop. I >reverse the sound and paste it back-to-back with the original. That tends >to lengthen the overall loop a bit. A side benefit of the longer loop is >that it tends to minimize oscillation effects that sometime appear with >shorter loops at high revs. >Another way of decreasing the file size would be to convert to 8-bit rather >than 16-bit (4 of 5 GPL originals are 16bit, one is 8-bit for some reason). >There would be a decrease in sound quality but it might not be that >noticeable. >I didn't observe any performance impact whatsoever when I put the new sounds >on my system. That said I have a pretty high spec rig running at 450Mhz, >128Meg RAM. I would be very interested in any more feedback if people think >BTW, I'm planning to put a tutorial up on my site since so many people seem >to be interested in making good sound loops. >best regards, >Patrick

More likely timing gears ?

Hi Patrick, Darn, why did you make this Honda sound so good? Now I HAVE to drive the Honda. And that whale is hard to drive. Well, it is for me. Thank you for these sounds. Remco

Hi Remco, I know what you mean about the Repco Remco. I prefer driving the Cooper and Eagle so I found myself using the Repco sound for them as well. Works great with them, only problem is that it takes away from the experience of hearing the chorus of different engines during replays. I was happily surprised at how good the loops sound in replay using TV1/TV2 view. The sound of the Repco throttle blipping on downshift is really amazing. The fact that you can drop in a real engine sample and get it to sound so good over the range of idle, full acceleration, throttle lift, throttle blip-downshift is a reflection of what a great job Papyrus have done coding for sounds. I have loops of similar quality for Modern F1 cars. Try dropping them in Ubisoft's F1RS/MGP and they sound like shit in comparison. best regards, Patrick

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>Hi Patrick, >Darn, why did you make this Honda sound so good? Now I HAVE to drive >the Honda. And that whale is hard to drive. Well, it is for me. >Thank you for these sounds. >Remco

Patrick... "Sounds" like you have a hit on your hands! But I'm really puzzled. I have a Compaq 5660 PII-450 with A3D sound support on the motherboard and my original GPL sounds are superb. I was very anxious to try your new sound set! When I dropped in your Ferrari sound, it was, well..., horrible. It reminded me of the sound of those wind-up *** band-powered airplanes that I used to play with as a boy. It wasn't a matter of taste, this was a sound that *no one* could enjoy. Any ideas on hardware/software issues that might make my experience so different than *everyone* else's? Keep up the great work. Hope that I can enjoy it soon, like everyone else obviously is! Regards, Jack

> Hi Remco, > I know what you mean about the Repco Remco. I prefer driving the Cooper and > Eagle so I found myself using the Repco sound for them as well. <snip> First off, excellent sampling, Patrick! I've got the CD myself, and have managed to sample some, but not half as good :-) There was one problem for me, however, if all sounds are not 16-bit Mono. The game/Windows crashes, gives me a blue screen complaining about an error in Dsound.vxd. Then I had to reboot. I verified this by first only using the original repco-sound, then adding sounds one at the time. As soon as I added something not 16- or 8-bit Mono, it crashed (even in rpy's). This could be my puter, though... What I would like to see, is a "genuine" patch. I have the Grand Prix Movie soundtrack, and there's lots of in-car sound, I also have a few BBC live radio broadcasts taped. I've speeded up the Ferrari Sound, because it didn't sound like 9.ooo RPM in the Honda, and now it is perfect! The BRM V-16 sample is amazing too, evrybody should buy this book to hear the full CD..! Looking fwd to more great work, Patrick! Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons http://home.sol.no/~kareknut/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

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>What I would like to see, is a "genuine" patch. I have the Grand Prix >Movie soundtrack, and there's lots of in-car sound, I also have a few >BBC live radio broadcasts taped. >I've speeded up the Ferrari Sound, because it didn't sound like 9.ooo >RPM in the Honda, and now it is perfect! >The BRM V-16 sample is amazing too, evrybody should buy this book to >hear the full CD..!

Can you post that updated Ferrari sound? I find myself preferring the original GPL Ferrari sound overall, but I also like Patrick's. I'm open to trying another one :) Randy Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder

What is a cooper? I have GPL and there is no race car named cooper that I can see. George Also, what does detail bias do exactly. > >>There is a whining noise to the cooper sound, but it is also in the > >>weslake.wav file. It is just more pronounced at higher rpm's. > >Gearbox..... > More likely timing gears ?

>I am using these new excellent sounds in PII 350, 64 ram, Voodoo >II, and >they seem to work faultless! Thanks to the maker! P2-400, 64megs, V2 here also and no problems whatsoever. Yeah, those sounds are just awesome, they made me drive the other cars and not just the Lotus. :) -- Greger Huttu

>What is a cooper? >I have GPL and there is no race car named cooper that I can see. The Coventry is actually the Cooper. I guess Papyrus couldn't get the license for using the name. The same goes for the Murasama, that's actually the Honda. To the left, less detail is seen. To the right, there is more detail. Example: When you set the slider full left, in an outside view the head of a driver is like a marble. Do you set the slider full right, you can see that the driver didn't shave himself in the morning. Ok, slightly exaggarated, but then you see a drivers head, including goggles and a face. Remco

Hi Matthew, I had the same idea but don't have a copy of the movie. I was trying to find it on DVD but I guess its not available. I've been collaborating on more sounds with a guy named Thomas Brown. He has a copy of the Grand Prix film and we are planning to develop some engine loops from it. I'll let you know how we are getting on with it. best regards, Patrick >What I would like to see, is a "genuine" patch. I have the Grand Prix >Movie soundtrack, and there's lots of in-car sound, I also have a few >BBC live radio broadcasts taped. >Matt

I am really enjoying your sounds patrick and look foward to more from you.Is it possible to also make a new tire skid sound.I have made a new one from a tire sound that I found at a Warbirds site and gave it more bass.It gives a much better feel of *** stretching on concrete then the tinny screech that ships with GPL.I would love to hear what you can do. Skeeter Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:24:57 -0000, "patrick daly"

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>Hi Matthew, >I had the same idea but don't have a copy of the movie. I was trying to >find it on DVD but I guess its not available. I've been collaborating on >more sounds with a guy named Thomas Brown. He has a copy of the Grand Prix >film and we are planning to develop some engine loops from it. I'll let you >know how we are getting on with it. >best regards, >Patrick >>What I would like to see, is a "genuine" patch. I have the Grand Prix >>Movie soundtrack, and there's lots of in-car sound, I also have a few >>BBC live radio broadcasts taped. >>Matt

Yeah! I would love to have some sounds from the movie. In the scene where Stoddard is blipping his engine going to the pits at Zandvoort, the engine sound is just great. Although it doesn't matter that much. Patrick - your sounds RULE! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

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> Michael, do you realise what you just said?! > *ONLY* 64 meg??!!!!! > Time was only yesterday (or so it seems) where if we had 16Mb we were > one-up on the Joneses! :o) I just realized that I currently have 32MB RAM just on my graphic cards... it never stops! l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Wait a minute..... It would appear that the first time I used Patrick's sound waves (a few weeks ago), the "hiccup" (where GPL seemed to pause and was silent while the sounds loaded), was an anomoly. I have just tested the new sounds and GPL isn't pauses while the sounds loaded. Sorry for the 'false alarm'! % % I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: % % Here's a direct link. % % http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm % While the sounds are great, I have one complaint with them. The loops % are too long. My GPL seems to hiccup while it loads the long wav files. % The default sound waves for GPL run in the 70 to 80 kb range not 211 kb. % But, I guess it's okay once they are loaded. Maybe GPL hiccups because I % only have 64meg of memory? % -- % **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* % Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. % =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Just a tip for people who might be developing sounds for GPL. An L.P. record was made that has plenty of in car recordings - Repco, Honda, Ferrari V12, Cooper maserati etc. Its called Grand Prix and was released on EMI Music for Pleasure and the date on my copy is 1967. Steve >I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: >Here's a direct link. >http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm >Upon advice from ALison... AND THEY ARE TOTATLLY AWESOME!!!!

Attention: Patrick Daly! Please jump on this! Bring your talents to bear! We beg you! Please! >Just a tip for people who might be developing sounds for GPL. An L.P. record

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>was made that has plenty of in car recordings - Repco, Honda, Ferrari V12, >Cooper maserati etc. Its called Grand Prix and was released on EMI Music >for Pleasure and the date on my copy is 1967. >Steve >>I just downloaded the new sounds from Pats site: >>Here's a direct link. >>http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/gpl.htm >>Upon advice from ALison... AND THEY ARE TOTATLLY AWESOME!!!!

Hi ! Did you see the avi at the bottom of [link lost in import] "running time 0:48) The AVI format is 160x120. Hubert Hahne in his F2 BMW filmed from behind using a a Formula Vee car at the Wehrseifen-Bergwerk section at the Nurburgring in 1967. It looks as if the pace of the movie was speeded up. Nevertheless a great view how the '67 Ring actually was.(note: The F2 cars started at the same time as the F1 cars. I think this footage was shot in the days before the GP) " It' grrrreat ! Greetings Klaus

Coventry....it's the fictitious Cooper. (Just as the Mrusama is the fictional Honda).

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> What is a cooper? > I have GPL and there is no race car named cooper that I can see. > George > Also, > what does detail bias do exactly. > > >>There is a whining noise to the cooper sound, but it is also in the > > >>weslake.wav file. It is just more pronounced at higher rpm's. > > >Gearbox..... > > More likely timing gears ?

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- HMRC Web site address is:- http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm ----------