GPL : Alison Eagle setups ?

i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) more easy to drive than fast of course :) McKafre De La Rosa (10 days remaining)

Try out Jasons setups: http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ -don

Hi Derek, No problem. I just post my setups for anyone who might be interested. I have a combined gas/brake controller and find that I need a little extra front bite to help around the turns since I cannot induce oversteer easily. One thing you may find with my Eagle / Rouen setup is that you can catch up to people on the long bend and rear straight due to the amount of speed you can carry with the neutral setup. You can reduce the rear roll bar to produce a slight push and move the brake bias forward (higher). Everyone comments on my 51-53% brake bias as being too neutral as well :-) My 2 cents, Jason.

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> >i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone > >has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) > >more easy to drive than fast of course :) > I started with Jason Monds setups at > http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ but you'll find some of them a > bit neutral as you progress with the Eagle and others are just plain bad > for me (sorry Jason, maybe I just can't drive your way). Many more to be > found at the various hotlap sites but a lot of these are seriously > nervous. > -- > Derek James

-- -------- Jason Monds "My other car is a Ferrari" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Hi Derek, No problem. I just post my setups for anyone who might be interested. I have a combined gas/brake controller and find that I need a little extra front bite to help around the turns since I cannot induce oversteer easily. I need to shift down to produce 'compression skids' which get my tail around corners :-) One thing you may find with my Eagle / Rouen setup is that you can catch up to people on the long bend and rear straight due to the amount of speed you can carry with the neutral setup. You can reduce the rear roll bar to produce a slight push and move the brake bias forward (higher). Everyone comments on my 51-53% brake bias as being too neutral as well :-) My 2 cents, Jason.

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> >i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone > >has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) > >more easy to drive than fast of course :) > I started with Jason Monds setups at > http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ but you'll find some of them a > bit neutral as you progress with the Eagle and others are just plain bad > for me (sorry Jason, maybe I just can't drive your way). Many more to be > found at the various hotlap sites but a lot of these are seriously > nervous. > -- > Derek James

-------- Jason Monds "My other car is a Ferrari" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:22:29 +0100, "McKafre" >i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone >has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) >more easy to drive than fast of course :) If you want easy to drive, you can't beat Alison's Coventry setups. In Explorer, copy each Cov setup file, paste it, and then change the extension to ".ea1". They may need a little tweaking in the gearing, but they give you a very nice handling Eagle. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

So true, Jeff. I've done it with many cars (thanks, Alison!), and not only are they stable, they can be darned quick. I achieved my first (and only!) 1:05:* at the Glen -- in a Lotus with Alison's Coventry setup, after tweaking gear ratios. That may not exactly be Mansel-esque, but it's not marking the back of most packs, either. :) Brett

Hi gat, Short answer, yes, the defaults would be a good place to start. However, like everything else in setting up these cars, you will find that the effect of each setup change is so subjective that everyone's perfection is a little different. It changes from driver to driver and car to car. Going beyond the default ratios, you want to set up each the length of each gear to suit your driving style, eg. how fast you want to enter, drive, and exit every corner, and which gear at what rev is best suited to do what you want. I know I'm leaving out a million things. I *feel* like how I'm setting up my car is right, but it's very difficult to put into words. Mostly because I don't know 100% what I'm talking about. :) Anyone, feel free to offer some more thorough advise. Good luck! Brett >For us neophytes, can you be specific about what tweaking to do to the gear >ratios to convert from the Coventry to the Lotus or Eagle? >Or would I just convert the "default" ratios to the new setup? >Thanks.

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>>i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone >>has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) >>more easy to drive than fast of course :) >I started with Jason Monds setups at >http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/ but you'll find some of them a >bit neutral as you progress with the Eagle and others are just plain bad >for me (sorry Jason, maybe I just can't drive your way). Many more to be >found at the various hotlap sites but a lot of these are seriously >nervous.

I can't imagine that someone who is used to Alison's Coventry setups will have much fun with Jason's Eagle setups. I tried Alison's setups when I heard from everybody how good they are. I'm sure they are - but not for me. ;) I find they have way too much understeer for my way of driving. As I understand it, Alison's setups are created for people who do trail braking. I un-learned trail-braking when the first GPL demo came out and now belong to the "get done with braking before you steer" school. Maybe it has something to do with my controller (TM T2) which still has combined brake/throttle. I do best with Doug Arnao's Ferrari setups and Jason's Eagle setups (or slight variations thereof). Both are suitable for a non-trailbraking style. Did anybody else make similar experiences? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

Hi Wolfgang, I tried my Ferrari at Silverstone setup yesterday and had one BIG surprise. I was falling off the track left and right. It seems my driving style is suited more towards the non-Ferrari cars or that my setup skills were in their infancy back then. The Ferrari was the first car I drove. The Eagle is my favorite car for kickin' ***:-) Where can I get Doug Arnao's Ferrari setups? Thanks, Jason. > I do best with Doug Arnao's Ferrari setups and Jason's Eagle setups > (or slight variations thereof). Both are suitable for a > non-trailbraking style. Did anybody else make similar experiences? > -- > Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. -------- Jason Monds "My other car is a Ferrari" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Hi Jason, I got them from Alison's site, but that was a long time ago when the site wasn't as big and complicated as it is today. I'm not sure I could find them these days. ;) Anyway, it's worth a try. BTW, did I say "Thanks for making your setups available"? No? Then let me do it now: Thanks for making your setups available. Good job! -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

[something about Alison's setups] Derek, I didn't mean to criticize your advice. It's just one of my pet theories that there are two kinds of drivers (I'm starting to sound like Eli Wallach in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly :) , namely those who trail-brake and those who don't. And that the trail-brakers will like Alison's setups, whereas the non-trail-brakers will do better with Jason's setups. BTW, doesn't have Alison setups for the Eagle as well? It used to be her favourite car back before GPL was released. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

Odd, I trailbrake a lot of the time but I can't live with Alison's or Doug's setups. I know it's supposed to be good for trailbraking but I can't drive an understeering car anywhere near as quick as I can a car with a positive front end. And what about the corners where you don't need to brake, and where you need to be quick. Like Zandvoort - It has only a handful of turns where I trailbrake, the majority being ones where I lift slightly. My best Ferrari lap there with Doug's setup was 1.9s off my best with a modified Ian Lake setup. Might tell you something about him as well? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Greame, It gets down to setups being a very personal thing. I have had trouble gettting the most out of anyones setups myself. I really thought that I would have liked yours or Steve Eymann's setups. After driving them I found a big difference in our styles that translates into how we like the cars setup. Alisons seem stable but I was actaully faster when i regeared the defaults. I do understand there are many people out there who have no idea what bump and rebound are so the guys and girls who put setups out on web should be appluaded for doing so, but sometime the driver who downloads these will hit a limit due to someone else's driving style is different from there own. I have some guys who use my setups and love em but, since their driving style is more flamboyant than mine, I think they will would be faster if they did more work to make the setup work better for them. Just my two cents. -- David Robinson Egan's Law The Pace car will always go 2 MPH slower then your race cars idle in first gear. PS. Greame thanks for the help on getting my slow pc to run GPL. I have even run some online races with great success. > Odd, I trailbrake a lot of the time but I can't live with Alison's or > Doug's setups. I know it's supposed to be good for trailbraking but I > can't drive an understeering car anywhere near as quick as I can a car > with a positive front end. And what about the corners where you don't > need to brake, and where you need to be quick. Like Zandvoort - It has > only a handful of turns where I trailbrake, the majority being ones > where I lift slightly. My best Ferrari lap there with Doug's setup was > 1.9s off my best with a modified Ian Lake setup. Might tell you > something about him as well? > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk > ICQ# 11257824 > 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:22:29 +0100, "McKafre" >>i ve been driving the coventry, now im ready to go to the eagle ... someone

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>>has good easy to drive and fast setups ? :) >>more easy to drive than fast of course :) > If you want easy to drive, you can't beat Alison's Coventry setups. >In Explorer, copy each Cov setup file, paste it, and then change the >extension to ".ea1". They may need a little tweaking in the gearing, >but they give you a very nice handling Eagle.

yep yep yep i did it ... copied the Glen-Cov-Alison setup to eagle and in my first 6 laps (with 20 laps fuel) i did 3 of them under 1.06.5 (1.06.3, and two 1.06.4 ) :D i will begin to make it less understeering tightenning the rear bar thanks! it really feels like a coventry :)

On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:21:27 +0000, Graeme Nash >My best Ferrari lap there with Doug's setup was >1.9s off my best with a modified Ian Lake setup. Might tell you >something about him as well? Remember that Doug's setups were made a loooong time ago, and were the fastest around at the time. I'm sure these days his setups have moved with the times as have everyone else's. Cheers1 John