Nascar Revolution is THE NEW KING!

NASCAR REVOLUTION is the new king of Nascar. Sure, I'm gonna get flamed by all the Nascar 1-2-3 worshippers, but this game is THE Nascar simulation! To judge this game by the demo is to judge Nascar 3 by it's demo! IT IS NOTHING LIKE the port to N64 and the Playstation. NR is EXTREMELY deep! Has all the options Nascar 1-2 have and then some... even pit crew errors! Excellent AI!! They race three and four wide at Dega! They draft, they bump and they cut you off... Mechanical failure... Physics model is dead-on with Grand Prix Legends!!!!!!!! Ex. I was getting blown away at Dega and couldn't keep up with the 42nd car (yes 43 cars on the track)! Maid a few adjustments and I was finally keeping up with the "lap cars." Low and behold a wreck happens right in front of me. Looked like Mike Skinner cut in front of Kenny Irwin knocking him into a few cars exiting the pit... I check the replay and I see Irwin and Skinner had been bump'n and grind'n through a few turns. I guess the AI holds a grudge! Graphics and sound are beyond description! 1024x768 V2 SLI SB Live, PII 400!! The game runs all 43 cars at over 30 fps! Reflections and dynamic lighting... The cars show damage! The damage affects the aerodynamics which affect your speed which forces you to make a pit stop to be entertained by a motion captured pit crew!! AWESOME! There are a few flaws. When you start a race, you do not get a warm up lap... you start from a 3rd person view going into to turn four! For the life of me I can not figure out how to change gears! Yellows flags need work. No way to keep Spotters voice but disable the announcers. STEEP LEARNING CURVE!!!! The games engine is VERY similar to Grand Prix Legends!! (and now the flames from the N1 and N2 fans who don't want this game to be good)

Yeah your right, I got my copy today it's just like you called it. Corey I got some advice for you change your email address. They're not going to leave you alone.

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>NASCAR REVOLUTION is the new king of Nascar. Sure, I'm gonna get flamed by >all the Nascar 1-2-3 worshippers, but this game is THE Nascar simulation! >To judge this game by the demo is to judge Nascar 3 by it's demo! >IT IS NOTHING LIKE the port to N64 and the Playstation. >NR is EXTREMELY deep! Has all the options Nascar 1-2 have and then some... >even pit crew errors! Excellent AI!! They race three and four wide at >Dega! They draft, they bump and they cut you off... Mechanical failure... >Physics model is dead-on with Grand Prix Legends!!!!!!!! >Ex. I was getting blown away at Dega and couldn't keep up with the 42nd

car >(yes 43 cars on the track)! Maid a few adjustments and I was finally >keeping up with the "lap cars." Low and behold a wreck happens right in >front of me. Looked like Mike Skinner cut in front of Kenny Irwin knocking >him into a few cars exiting the pit... I check the replay and I see Irwin >and Skinner had been bump'n and grind'n through a few turns. I guess the AI >holds a grudge! >Graphics and sound are beyond description! 1024x768 V2 SLI SB Live, PII >400!! The game runs all 43 cars at over 30 fps! Reflections and dynamic >lighting... The cars show damage! The damage affects the aerodynamics which >affect your speed which forces you to make a pit stop to be entertained by a

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>motion captured pit crew!! AWESOME! >There are a few flaws. When you start a race, you do not get a warm up >lap... you start from a 3rd person view going into to turn four! For the >life of me I can not figure out how to change gears! Yellows flags need >work. No way to keep Spotters voice but disable the announcers. >STEEP LEARNING CURVE!!!! The games engine is VERY similar to Grand Prix >Legends!! >(and now the flames from the N1 and N2 fans who don't want this game to be >good)

Your high right now right? of course you are, there is no way this game even approaches the learning curve of GPL, you are on serious medication.......

I was able to get a hand on the full title today so let me add my opinion on it. Of course it's your choice to what review is the most accurate to the Hard-Core simracing fans. Him or me.. Heh.. It's a good arcade game. I will say that they made some good new options from their old line and game engine but as I said, I will not mention "simulation" in this review as it's a arcade game, made as an arcade game and targeted as an arcade game. Electronic Arts still use the same game engine as I often said so basically it's a "refreshed" version of Nascar Racing 99. The simulation mode is always limited by the poor game engine. Im sorry but this is totally wrong. The game engine and physic model in NR is good for an arcade mode, but it clearly shows all the canned problems. It acts similar to TOCA but on oval-shaped track with banking. Oh yeah btw the track accuracy is pretty bad, I saw Michigan and it's anything BUT the real track. Bristol is "arcadish". Indy is quite good, but I feel I was more there with the Papyrus Indianapolis track. The AI is basically the same as with the previous titles. The "THUNDER AI" marketing was of course crap, and they were lacking any intelligence. They tried too much to "recreate" each drivers and finally it acts like each AI is doing it's own race without caring about any other cars. I remember this problem in X-Car, mostly related to the canned AI who changes modes from normal racing to aggressive when there is a car XYZ distance near. Oh and even in simulation mode you have the "when AI behind you they go faster and when AI is in front they go slower" typical arcade AI. The physical model (I haven't tried the arcade mode, just simulation) makes for bump and grinds racing into the turns, who is not accurate to the real sport. Excluding the good looking pit crew (who is the only features that is over every other racing title on the market), what you said was found in Nascar Racing 1, who went on the shelves more than 4and a half years ago. Four and a half. I really hated the start. For me it was like the Daytona USA arcade game where you enter right into the action. Of course it's typical of an arcade game. And the Announcers are typical "EA Sports", but that's not to say it's good. A real simulation would never have announcers. The big problem is you don't have much depth in the title. You do short races, or create a season of short races, but it's too easy to go up front with easy setup changes (there is some problems with the physics in this case), you can easily go up front after 10-15laps. Kinda like racing the Nascar2 AI at 98%. Well I did some Stock-car racing, and Im sorry but the game engine is the same as Andretti Racing on the PSX back in 1995. Several canned features (hey btw it has canned spins like Gp2), but it's a good title for the arcade-style gamers. I in fact would recommand it to the arcade-style people. It's the best arcade-style racing software on the market. But nothing of a simulation. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Oh and btw please note that Corey West is well known over in the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.sports as a trouble maker who invents PC reviews before everybody just to***off people. Especially with FB99 who took all credibility out of him. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Thanks for saving me the trouble of "outing" Corey.

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>Oh and btw please note that Corey West is well known over in the >comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.sports as a trouble maker who invents PC reviews >before everybody just to***off people. >Especially with FB99 who took all credibility out of him. >-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> >-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ >-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ >-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. >-= May the Downforce be with you... >"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>NASCAR REVOLUTION is the new king of Nascar. Sure, I'm gonna get flamed by >all the Nascar 1-2-3 worshippers, but this game is THE Nascar simulation! >To judge this game by the demo is to judge Nascar 3 by it's demo! I won't flame you. I will simply say that you are full of shit :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

well, i am much dissapointed, running on a 400mmx PII, and Monster 3d II, the sense of speed is like about 2 mile an hours. The Dash only view is a little better, but not much, I was hoping for so much more. The demo even seem to run better, I have tried direct3d and Glide about the same.

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>NASCAR REVOLUTION is the new king of Nascar. Sure, I'm gonna get flamed by >all the Nascar 1-2-3 worshippers, but this game is THE Nascar simulation! >To judge this game by the demo is to judge Nascar 3 by it's demo! >IT IS NOTHING LIKE the port to N64 and the Playstation. >NR is EXTREMELY deep! Has all the options Nascar 1-2 have and then some... >even pit crew errors! Excellent AI!! They race three and four wide at >Dega! They draft, they bump and they cut you off... Mechanical failure... >Physics model is dead-on with Grand Prix Legends!!!!!!!! >Ex. I was getting blown away at Dega and couldn't keep up with the 42nd

car >(yes 43 cars on the track)! Maid a few adjustments and I was finally >keeping up with the "lap cars." Low and behold a wreck happens right in >front of me. Looked like Mike Skinner cut in front of Kenny Irwin knocking >him into a few cars exiting the pit... I check the replay and I see Irwin >and Skinner had been bump'n and grind'n through a few turns. I guess the AI >holds a grudge! >Graphics and sound are beyond description! 1024x768 V2 SLI SB Live, PII >400!! The game runs all 43 cars at over 30 fps! Reflections and dynamic >lighting... The cars show damage! The damage affects the aerodynamics which >affect your speed which forces you to make a pit stop to be entertained by a

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>motion captured pit crew!! AWESOME! >There are a few flaws. When you start a race, you do not get a warm up >lap... you start from a 3rd person view going into to turn four! For the >life of me I can not figure out how to change gears! Yellows flags need >work. No way to keep Spotters voice but disable the announcers. >STEEP LEARNING CURVE!!!! The games engine is VERY similar to Grand Prix >Legends!! >(and now the flames from the N1 and N2 fans who don't want this game to be >good)

On 17 Feb 1999 22:40:24 GMT, "Corey West" >NR is EXTREMELY deep! Has all the options Nascar 1-2 have and then some... >even pit crew errors! Excellent AI!! They race three and four wide at >Dega! They draft, they bump and they cut you off... Mechanical failure... Oh dear, oh dear.... Credibility zero..... Cheers! John

ymenard, do you do anything other than read newsgroups? ;) >Oh and btw please note that Corey West is well known over in the >comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.sports as a trouble maker who invents PC reviews >before everybody just to***off people. >Especially with FB99 who took all credibility out of him.

> Yeah your right, I got my copy today it's just like you called it. Corey I > got some advice for you change your email address. They're not going to > leave you alone. Hey, you are grasping the reason for newsgroups. To discuss, argue and disagree on thousands of subjects. Here we have the subject of racing sims/games. If you think, Corey was attacked to hard, go to the flight-sim ng and post: Novalogic develops sims! and check out the responses... ;^) Hmm, so he didn't figure out how to change gears? Hmmm... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Chris Schletter wrote

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>ymenard, do you do anything other than read newsgroups? ;) >>Oh and btw please note that Corey West is well known over in the >>comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.sports as a trouble maker who invents PC reviews >>before everybody just to***off people. >>Especially with FB99 who took all credibility out of him.

Chris I feel the Usenet is one of the most strange but yet itself intellectual form of community today. I don't have the same fun browsing on the net or chatting on IRC as I find here. So yes, 90% of my online time is here on the newsgroup. And I stay here also to reply to each of your post in contradiction with my m***and mentality ;-D -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Doesn't it seem odd that Corey was able to make a grave mistake in the very first part of his message. Nascar Revolution is NOT a simulation. It's much more of an arcade racer! I don't agree with anybody who says you should be flamed for saying what you have said, as it's just your opinion, all I'm doing is pointing out that it's NOT a simulation, even if they add a couple of crumming garage settings, which might I add, have very little effect on the racing itself in this game. Adam

Oh yeah, your smoking some serious crack. This game (emphasis on game) stinks. It's aweful. And don't get mad at Benny Parsons...he can't help it they screwed him up in the game. IFLY4DELTA On 17 Feb 1999 22:40:24 GMT, "Corey West"

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>NASCAR REVOLUTION is the new king of Nascar. Sure, I'm gonna get flamed by >all the Nascar 1-2-3 worshippers, but this game is THE Nascar simulation! >To judge this game by the demo is to judge Nascar 3 by it's demo! >IT IS NOTHING LIKE the port to N64 and the Playstation. >NR is EXTREMELY deep! Has all the options Nascar 1-2 have and then some... >even pit crew errors! Excellent AI!! They race three and four wide at >Dega! They draft, they bump and they cut you off... Mechanical failure... >Physics model is dead-on with Grand Prix Legends!!!!!!!! >Ex. I was getting blown away at Dega and couldn't keep up with the 42nd car >(yes 43 cars on the track)! Maid a few adjustments and I was finally >keeping up with the "lap cars." Low and behold a wreck happens right in >front of me. Looked like Mike Skinner cut in front of Kenny Irwin knocking >him into a few cars exiting the pit... I check the replay and I see Irwin >and Skinner had been bump'n and grind'n through a few turns. I guess the AI >holds a grudge! >Graphics and sound are beyond description! 1024x768 V2 SLI SB Live, PII >400!! The game runs all 43 cars at over 30 fps! Reflections and dynamic >lighting... The cars show damage! The damage affects the aerodynamics which >affect your speed which forces you to make a pit stop to be entertained by a >motion captured pit crew!! AWESOME! >There are a few flaws. When you start a race, you do not get a warm up >lap... you start from a 3rd person view going into to turn four! For the >life of me I can not figure out how to change gears! Yellows flags need >work. No way to keep Spotters voice but disable the announcers. >STEEP LEARNING CURVE!!!! The games engine is VERY similar to Grand Prix >Legends!! >(and now the flames from the N1 and N2 fans who don't want this game to be >good)