GP3 IS COMING!!!!!.....READ THIS!!!!!

According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August 1999. -- Greetings :)RuuD? +------------------------------+ My Formula 1 site: http://www.rfvaneck.demon.nl

Thats sounds great! Have you heard anything about the specs? I was wondering because every other report says "Voodoo2 support"! How do you just support the voodoo2? You either have glide support or you dont! Im interested in this as I have a voodoo1. Anyway I hope the Crammond has time to optimise the 3d engine this time and include wet weather wich is badly lacking from the current crop of good sims. Regards Berno

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>According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff >Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in >Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. >They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. >They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August >1999. >-- > Greetings :)RuuD? >+------------------------------+ > My Formula 1 site: > http://www.rfvaneck.demon.nl

Hmm would be a bit *** not to include an option for lower texture quality or resolutions... It would cut off a large user base.

>Hmm would be a bit *** not to include an option for lower texture quality >or resolutions... It would cut off a large user base. >>Maybe it requires a larger texture memory or runs in a higher >>resolution like 800x600 or 1024x768...... :) I wouldn't sweat it. IIRC, there are a few graphical effects that the V2 has in its arsenal that the V1 does not. There was similar talk when Janes F-15 was first coming out. It ran just fine on a V1. -Bill -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." Enteract, Chicago | - K MiB

I don't know what extras it has, but Incoming came with my V2 card and they said it was V2 enhanced. Hopefully GP3 will be V3 enhanced... :-)

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> Thats sounds great! > Have you heard anything about the specs? I was wondering because every other > report says "Voodoo2 support"! How do you just support the voodoo2? You > either have glide support or you dont! Im interested in this as I have a > voodoo1. Anyway I hope the Crammond has time to optimise the 3d engine this > time and include wet weather wich is badly lacking from the current crop of > good sims. > Regards > Berno > >According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff > >Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in > >Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. > >They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. > >They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August > >1999. > >-- > > Greetings :)RuuD? > >+------------------------------+ > > My Formula 1 site: > > http://www.rfvaneck.demon.nl

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>According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff >Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in >Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. >They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. >They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August >1999.

Yes..I heard the rummour of Aug 1999 ( just dont get to used to the date..) I reckon it will be in the shops before christmas... But you never know !!!! games sometimes hit there predicted release date.!! I will upgrade my PC from K6 233, 40mb, banshee to something better when it comes out!!!!!!!!!!!! Ben Summers

You poor, well-meaning-but-misguided suckers. Apparently you all don't remember the "eagerly" awaited GP2. There were millions of rumors (rumours for you across the pond) about the release date, which kept being pushed back month after month after month... As for "cutting out a large section of their prospective buyers" (paraphrase), Crammond, while a gifted programmer, is a little short on sympathy for us sim-buyers. GP2 was an unbelievable hog on resources. Microprose simply said something to the effect of "hey, you need to buy a new computer" and that was that. The best advice is to: Read all the magazines with Sneak Peeks / Previews / Rumo(u)rs / whatever in them, Look at all the pretty pictures of the pre-beta / beta code, Listen to all the posts here about the forthcoming release, Save up your pennies (as I will be doing after blowing a godawful huge wad of cash on my TSW), Drink a good stiff rum 'n coke nightly, and Ignore every twinge of anticipation (that's what the rum is for) you may feel until: IT ACTUALLY ARRIVES ON THE STORE SHELVES!!! Anything else is too painful. Trust me. I've been there. Got the t-shirt and indigestion to prove it. Av/Mikey

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>According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff >Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in >Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. >They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. >They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August >1999. >-- > Greetings :)RuuD? >+------------------------------+ > My Formula 1 site: > http://www.rfvaneck.demon.nl

hehehe dates, dates, dates ... deja vu :)

Yeah, I remember when I first got GP2, I was running a P90 with something like 16mb RAM, I rang Microprose support and told them I would shortly be upgrading my machine and what would they recommend getting to run it at full detail etc, they just laughed and replied that there was no such machine that would be able to run it at full detail. This is despite a review in PC Gamer that said it would run in SVGA with all details on, on a P90. -- Sean Black

Sean Black wrote Well what you said is true.. any PC can run Grand Prix 2 with all the graphics in SVGA. But how fast ? ouch ! ;-) -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Hopefully not! V3 ain't gonna be what V2 was. No OEM sellers (except STB, which they are buying). You buy from one of two places. STB or in the computer at purchase. READ: High Prices... 3dfx is gonna***up with this one... -Larry

Dunno if you saw this in another thread. I've been too busy to race for most of the last year. So yesterday I dusted off my GP2 and installed it on my P2/400 w/TNT screamer. I haven't figured out how to get the sound to work, so I chose no sound. Even without sound, I get over 100% occupancy at the start of Monza. Sheesh! I didn't look at DOS performance for the TNT (actually, I never expected GP2 to work on this machine. I was expecting more competition in the Windows world by now.) Does the TNT stack up okay as a VESA 2D card? Mighty

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> Hopefully not! > V3 ain't gonna be what V2 was. No OEM sellers (except STB, which they > are buying). You buy from one of two places. STB or in the computer at > purchase. > READ: High Prices... > 3dfx is gonna***up with this one...

Meanwhile 3Dfx has to compete with quite a lot of other chipsets, so I don't think they'll have the chance to go wild on prices. OTOH, I'd buy almost anything from them regardless of price... ;^) l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hehe. A 3dfx Junky :) -Larry

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> Meanwhile 3Dfx has to compete with quite a lot of other chipsets, so > I don't think they'll have the chance to go wild on prices. > OTOH, I'd buy almost anything from them regardless of price... ;^) > l8er > ronny

The graphics rendering is actually ok. It's the sensation of speed that goes down. Actually, I think Crammond did an admirable job in how he handled this. -Larry > Well what you said is true.. any PC can run Grand Prix 2 with all the > graphics in SVGA. But how fast ? ouch ! ;-)

I think you're missing the point. I didn't dis Crammond. Nor GP2. Nor Microprose. Well, okay: I did dis MicroProse. Doesn't mean that I haven't been playing GP2 until I got GPL, does it? I'm just warning these guys that all they will get by helping to fuel the "it'll be out this quarter!" blaze is a severe case of "I hate MicroProse" when the release is INEVITABLY pushed back. And back. Been there. And back. I _will_ get GP3 when it makes the leap from vaporware to something my $50 will purchase. By then, tho, my bank account will have recovered from the whole TSW trauma I've inflicted on it. note: (And yes, I am making a point about it. My wheel hasn't arrived yet [mid-March] and I'm in anguish about it. I think the shrinks call it post-mortgage anxiety or some such tripe, but I'm hoping my run 'n coke dependency will go away when the other thing arrives.) Argh.

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>The graphics rendering is actually ok. It's the sensation of speed that >goes down. >Actually, I think Crammond did an admirable job in how he handled this. >-Larry >> Well what you said is true.. any PC can run Grand Prix 2 with all the >> graphics in SVGA. But how fast ? ouch ! ;-)

Which TSW wheel did you get:? Interested in actual reviews of either the TSW Formula 99 or the TSW2 Formula. Michael

"run and coke dependancy"?!! Howzzat?....you an athlete with a caffein habit or....??? > but I'm hoping my run 'n coke > dependency will go away when the other thing arrives.) -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- HMRC Web site address is:- http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm ----------

Whups. "Rum 'n Coke" Heh, what was I thinking? Stopped all that other stuff ten years ago. Mikey

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>"run and coke dependancy"?!! >Howzzat?....you an athlete with a caffein habit or....??? >> but I'm hoping my run 'n coke >> dependency will go away when the other thing arrives.) >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >---------- >HMRC Web site address is:- >http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm >----------

I just checked my facts: 1. Mid-April 2. TSW2 Formula 3. Added paddles Every review I have ever read was glowing. I have a friend I used to race with online (about 4 years ago). He had a TSW (there was only the one kind, then). He lived on peanut butter and Ramen noodles, but he had his TSW, and said he'd never regretted the decision. Eventually that started to sink in to me. My wife thinks I'm crazy to spend so much on a "toy". My friend says that her husband is only slightly less stupid by buyin gthe latest graphite fishing poles (we live in AZ - different if CO), And the one guy at work that I respect just kind of shakes his head. And I'm still buying the thing! Av/Mikey >Which TSW wheel did you get:? Interested in actual reviews of either the >TSW Formula 99 or the TSW2 Formula. >Michael

Thank you for the info. I'm still interested in the review of someone who has had one of these for longer than a one week review period. Especially interested if someone has had one for a year or more - how well has it held up. Currently I have one of the original Thrustmaster T1 Limited (all metal) wheels. It has been used on average an hour a day for almost five years - mostly road courses. So far it has had one spring break, but no other failures. Just recently (in the last two weeks) it has started to develop "the jitters," and probably needs new pots. I'm trying to decide whether or not it is worth going to a newer wheel with more features. My projected budget for a new wheel was +-$500, making the TSW2 reachable without going too far over. I can't yet convince myself to spend the additional $500 for the difference in the TSW2 and the TSW99, Though I do like the thought of having a real wheel, and want a round rather than a D-shaped wheel. Michael

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>I just checked my facts: >1. Mid-April >2. TSW2 Formula >3. Added paddles >And I'm still buying the thing! >Av/Mikey

I got my TSW2 in April of 98. As a matter of fact, I believe I got one of the very first production units. When I received the wheel and pedals, I was impressed by the way it was built, and how heavy it was. It became obvious these pedals weren't going to roam around over the floor. The clamping mechanism is simple, yet extremely effective and easy to attach. The pedals plug into a jack from a wire coming out of the wheel, very quick. At first I was concerned about wearing that jack out, but after hooking it up and unhooking it for the past several months, it is showing no signs of wear. It took me a little getting use to, going from a T2 to the TSW. I lowered the wheel lock a little in my setups, and soon was back up to speed. The wheel is very smooth, I couldn't believe the difference between it and the T2. Made me wonder how I was able to drive so long with the T2. The pedals are very smooth as well, with the brake having higher resistance than the gas as it should have. The pedal throws are shorter than the TM wheels, but again, I got used to it quickly, and actually like it better, much easier on the feet. I had a little trouble with the pots early on, but settled on the Digikey pots I learned about from this newsgroup. I have had these 3 digikey pots in since late May/early June, and have yet to have a problem with them. I do have an extra set for when I do need them. Also, the pots are very easy to replace. I have been extremely pleased with the TW2, and plan on upgrading it sometime this year buy going with the modular wiring system, and adding a clutch pedal. Plus, the support from Thomas Enterprises has been very good. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten >Thank you for the info. I'm still interested in the review of someone who >has had one of these for longer than a one week review period. Especially >interested if someone has had one for a year or more - how well has it held >up. snip

There are 3 games I can't wait for: GP3, Cart 2000, and NHL 2000 NHL 2000 is already in production, but what about GP3 and CART 2000. All I ever hear is freken rumors about these 2 games. Why isn' there any solid evidence these days?

I'm willing to wait a bit more for Cart 2000... as long as it ends up being a far jump above GPL and N3. And IT must have realistic damage model to it...what passes for a "realistic" damage model in GPL is insane not to mention it just doesn't work online. :)

In 1993 we had the same rumours and the same free demo and the same presentation venue for GP2. And then we waited for another 18 months before GP2 actually hit the retailers. So please, please........let's retain our e***ment for a lttle while yet! :o)

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> >According to Hasbro Interactive (owner of Microprose), the new Geoff > >Crammond F1 racing sim, Grand Prix 3, will be presented at the E3 Expo in > >Los Angeles 13-15th May 1999. > >They will give out a demo movie which introduces the features of the game. > >They'll also tell the estimated release date, which probably will be August > >1999. > >-- > There are 3 games I can't wait for: > GP3, Cart 2000, and NHL 2000 > NHL 2000 is already in production, but what about GP3 and CART 2000. All I ever > hear is freken rumors about these 2 games. Why isn' there any solid evidence > these days?

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- HMRC Web site address is:- http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm ----------

Party pooper! -- DB --