(Q) GPL and Serving Black Flags

Good Idea, due to warping I too have been black flagged, and once when hit at Monoco I was DQ'd for reversing on track when I was spinning. Dave

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> Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check > which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd > be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical > corners a bit too fine. > Andy > > >When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do > > you > > >know when it's time to leave the pits again? > > The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. > > It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, > > or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. > > Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My > > impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the > > marshals for being corrupt there :-) > > -Jan Otto

Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical corners a bit too fine. Andy

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> >When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do > you > >know when it's time to leave the pits again? > The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. > It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, > or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. > Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My > impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the > marshals for being corrupt there :-) > -Jan Otto

>When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do you >know when it's time to leave the pits again? If you park at the right distance (maybe "detail bias" has an influence here) to your name sign, then a message like "wait - jump start" should appear. When it disappears after 10 seconds or so, you can go. -- _____ /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d I XT /~~~~ I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

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The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the marshals for being corrupt there :-) -Jan Otto

Ok, Andy, but what parameters do you look for? -Dave

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> Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check > which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd > be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical > corners a bit too fine. > Andy > > >When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do > > you > > >know when it's time to leave the pits again? > > The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. > > It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, > > or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. > > Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My > > impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the > > marshals for being corrupt there :-) > > -Jan Otto

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Leave when the alarm on your Timex Sinclair goes off.

You'll see a stanza like this (this is from the Silverstone file) [ configuration_0 ] ; Format: dlong, start dlat, end dlat, time penalty (sec), 0 (required) ; 3 checkpoint minimum checkpoint_0 = 1426.0 -14.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Becketts checkpoint_1 = 2595.0 -15.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Stowe checkpoint_2 = 3258.0 -16.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Club checkpoint_3 = 4430.0 -12.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Woodcote So now you know which corners it's looking at and you can start working from there. Andy

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> Ok, Andy, but what parameters do you look for? > -Dave > > Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check > > which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd > > be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical > > corners a bit too fine. > > Andy > > > >When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do > > > you > > > >know when it's time to leave the pits again? > > > The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. > > > It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, > > > or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. > > > Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My > > > impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the > > > marshals for being corrupt there :-) > > > -Jan Otto > -- > Dave Schwabe > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Ah-ah! Very cool Andy! I guess I'll have to check it out! I never do this intentionally, but invariably I'll do it accidently when I drop a wheel off or***my braking up somehow. Thanks! --Dave

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> You'll see a stanza like this (this is from the Silverstone file) > [ configuration_0 ] > ; Format: dlong, start dlat, end dlat, time penalty (sec), 0 > (required) > ; 3 checkpoint minimum > checkpoint_0 = 1426.0 -14.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Becketts > checkpoint_1 = 2595.0 -15.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Stowe > checkpoint_2 = 3258.0 -16.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Club > checkpoint_3 = 4430.0 -12.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Woodcote > So now you know which corners it's looking at and you can start working > from there. > Andy > > Ok, Andy, but what parameters do you look for? > > -Dave > > > Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check > > > which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd > > > be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical > > > corners a bit too fine. > > > Andy > > > > >When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do > > > > you > > > > >know when it's time to leave the pits again? > > > > The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. > > > > It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, > > > > or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. > > > > Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My > > > > impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the > > > > marshals for being corrupt there :-) > > > > -Jan Otto > > -- > > Dave Schwabe > > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site > > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Good practice: in training/qualifying, pull into the pits instead of pulling over and hitting <esc>. When you enter the pits, try and stop at your name card so that it just disappears, when you hit <esc>, you will go straight to the info screen without being prompted. This is how you know you have stopped in your correct spot, and it's the same spot you must stop in for a pit penalty, then a sign will tell you to wait...and wait...when it disappears again you can continue with the race. Ben

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>>When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do you >>know when it's time to leave the pits again? >If you park at the right distance (maybe "detail bias" has an >influence here) to your name sign, then a message like "wait - jump >start" should appear. When it disappears after 10 seconds or so, you >can go. >-- > _____ > /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d >I XT /~~~~ >I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro > \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

Yes Mexico and Silverstone seem to be the two tracks where warping or clock smashing seem to cause black flags, maybe due to the sensitive areas at each track (chicane at Mexico and inside of final turn at Silverstone), during the warping it may look to the server like your car cut through these areas and so you get Black Flagged. It happened to me last night on a VROC Silverstone race while leading, I hope this is one multiplayer issue that will be resolved by the upcoming GPL patch, maybe they can make these areas of these two tracks less sensitive to Black Flags, still GPL online racing is leaps and bounds above any other online racing I've done, I guess everything has to have it's small glitches. Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>>When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do >you >>know when it's time to leave the pits again? >The sign in the pits disappear when you can continue the race. >It's a bit irritating when I get blackflagged for reversing on track, >or cutting corners during online races, when it is all due to warping. >Most of the times I get blackflagged I have done nothing wrong. My >impression is that it occurs very often in Mexico. I suspect the >marshals for being corrupt there :-) >-Jan Otto

> I hope this is one multiplayer issue that will be resolved by the upcoming > GPL patch, maybe they can make these areas of these two tracks less > sensitive to Black Flags, still GPL online racing is leaps and bounds > above any other online racing I've done, I guess everything has to have it's > small glitches. Any idea when this patch will be released? Cheers, Paul

I haven't heard anything on a date for the patch, I think that's good that they haven't given a date, based on Papyrus' past history on patching their titles (they don't do many versions of patches on the same title) it's better to get a *complete* patch than something rushed to make an announced release date, besides IMHO there's no real serious bugs in GPL that make it unplayable for me until a patch, more like a few glitches that smudge an otherwise almost perfect game. Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>> I hope this is one multiplayer issue that will be resolved by the upcoming >> GPL patch, maybe they can make these areas of these two tracks less >> sensitive to Black Flags, still GPL online racing is leaps and bounds >> above any other online racing I've done, I guess everything has to have it's >> small glitches. >Any idea when this patch will be released? >Cheers, >Paul

Yes, but the problem I mentioned is that on online races you might get blackflagged for reversing on track or cutting corners even if you don't do anything wrong. -Jan Otto

Or better yet, you can edit your lap times in your driver.ini file and then yell, "Look mommy, I just drove a 1:03.52 at Watkins Glen!" Dave Ewing > Or you can just adjust the "PIT" parameters in your ini files so that > you can just drive on through. The ini files are also good for better > lap times at tracks with hills.....you can adjust them so that you can > go over the hills without being penalised.....or so I'm told. |o)

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>You'll see a stanza like this (this is from the Silverstone file) >[ configuration_0 ] > ; Format: dlong, start dlat, end dlat, time penalty (sec), 0 >(required) > ; 3 checkpoint minimum >checkpoint_0 = 1426.0 -14.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Becketts >checkpoint_1 = 2595.0 -15.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Stowe >checkpoint_2 = 3258.0 -16.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Club >checkpoint_3 = 4430.0 -12.0 14.5 10.0 0 ; prevents cutting Woodcote >So now you know which corners it's looking at and you can start

working >from there. Good stuff....now where do I change those grip levels...? -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56

You mean like.....cheat? -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56 >Jan, it might be worth having a look in the track.ini file to check >which points the game is looking at for corner cutting. Then maybe you'd >be able to modify your line a bit if you're cutting some of the critical >corners a bit too fine.

Or you can just adjust the "PIT" parameters in your ini files so that you can just drive on through. The ini files are also good for better lap times at tracks with hills.....you can adjust them so that you can go over the hills without being penalised.....or so I'm told. |o) -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56 >Good practice: in training/qualifying, pull into the pits instead of >pulling over and hitting <esc>. When you enter the pits, try and stop at >your name card so that it just disappears, when you hit <esc>, you will go >straight to the info screen without being prompted. This is how you know >you have stopped in your correct spot, and it's the same spot you must stop >in for a pit penalty, then a sign will tell you to wait...and wait...when it >disappears again you can continue with the race. >Ben >>>When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do you >>>know when it's time to leave the pits again? >>If you park at the right distance (maybe "detail bias" has an >>influence here) to your name sign, then a message like "wait - jump >>start" should appear. When it disappears after 10 seconds or so, you >>can go. >>-- >> _____ >> /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d >>I XT /~~~~ >>I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro >> \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

> When you get a black flag, and you bull back into your pits, how do you > know when it's time to leave the pits again? If you stop just before the pitboard with your name on it, it changes and says something like "cut across track" or "reversing on track" etc. Just sit there until the board disappears, then you can continue. Ian