Nascar 2003 crashes XP

I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems to relate to my problem. I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup everthing and I can play, no problem. But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in the main menu of N2003. Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration without any success. Seems to be graphics related? Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on their side? Anything I missed? Thanks.

"Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Seems to be graphics related? > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > their side? > Anything I missed? > > Thanks. Have you patched nr2k3? ANd have you tried both the d3d and the opengl graphic options? dave henrie

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> I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems to > relate to my problem. > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup

everthing > and I can play, no problem. > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure inthe

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> main menu of N2003. > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > without any success. > > Seems to be graphics related? > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > their side? > Anything I missed? > > Thanks. > >

So long as all your hardware is installed properly and functioning (no Yellow Exclaimation/Question marks in the Hardware/Device Manager) then I may would go back down the Detonator line. Sometimes the newer ones won't work either (like older ones). I am using a GF FX 5600 Ultra with Win XP Pro (albeit in an AMD sytem on an Asus A7N8X Deluxe board) and I think the drivers that my system and Nr2003 like best are in the 48.xx range or thereabouts. This is even given that I have installed DX9.0b as a part of Call of Duty and all still runs well, knock on wood. :-)

I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least something to try Pascal. "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems to > relate to my problem. > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup

everthing > and I can play, no problem. > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure inthe

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> main menu of N2003. > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > without any success. > > Seems to be graphics related? > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > their side? > Anything I missed? > > Thanks. > >

I tried unpatched, latest patch and D3D and OGL with same result :-(. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: [email hidden]... > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

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> > > Seems to be graphics related? > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > > their side? > > Anything I missed? > > > > Thanks. > > Have you patched nr2k3? ANd have you tried both the d3d and the opengl > graphic options? > > dave henrie

I downloaded the 30.82 drivers and will give it a try tonight. These were my best performance drivers in W98. I will add a 48.xx to my list. Thanks. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: r%TOb.26119$[email hidden]... > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seemsto

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> > relate to my problem. > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > everthing > > and I can play, no problem. > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in > the > > main menu of N2003. > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > without any success. > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > > their side? > > Anything I missed? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > So long as all your hardware is installed properly and functioning (no > Yellow Exclaimation/Question marks in the Hardware/Device Manager) then I > may would go back down the Detonator line. Sometimes the newer ones won't > work either (like older ones). I am using a GF FX 5600 Ultra with Win XP

Pro > (albeit in an AMD sytem on an Asus A7N8X Deluxe board) and I think the > drivers that my system and Nr2003 like best are in the 48.xx range or > thereabouts. This is even given that I have installed DX9.0b as a part of > Call of Duty and all still runs well, knock on wood. :-) > >

I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy. I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight. It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows. "Pascal Dukers" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: buh3od$mo3$[email hidden]...

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> I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least > something to try > > Pascal. > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems

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> > relate to my problem. > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > everthing > > and I can play, no problem. > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in > the > > main menu of N2003. > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > without any success. > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > > their side? > > Anything I missed? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >

Try disabling all sound and try it. This should help you narrow down wether it's a video or sound problem. Don "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message news:400c227b$[email hidden]...

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> I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy. > I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight. > It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows. > > "Pascal Dukers" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > news: buh3od$mo3$[email hidden]... > > I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with > > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the > > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least > > something to try > > > > Pascal. > > > > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems > to > > > relate to my problem. > > > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4

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> > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > > everthing > > > and I can play, no problem. > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure

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> > the > > > main menu of N2003. > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > > without any success. > > > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems

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> > > their side? > > > Anything I missed? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have the same asus mb and have been using onboard sound with a gf4ti4200 and xp, N2003 was crashing during a race within 5 laps(computer restarted) and once in the options menu(to desktop) using 52.16 drivers, in installed the 53.03 drivers and have completed a 14 laps race with no problem(but only one race). I have sound hardware acceleration checked on(sounds drop out with it off) and i think about 12 sounds. Terry. "Don Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:buh9a0$hkap1$[email hidden]...

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> Try disabling all sound and try it. This should help you narrow down wether > it's a video or sound problem. > Don > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > news:400c227b$[email hidden]... > > I've disabled the onboard sound, I'm using a Audigy. > > I will try the latest Audigy drivers tonight. > > It looks like a graphic card drivers problem but we never knows. > > > > "Pascal Dukers" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > > news: buh3od$mo3$[email hidden]... > > > I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with > > > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the > > > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least > > > something to try > > > > > > Pascal. > > > > > > > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems > > to > > > > relate to my problem. > > > > > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 > 2.8C. > > > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > > > everthing > > > > and I can play, no problem. > > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure > in > > > the > > > > main menu of N2003. > > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > > > without any success. > > > > > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems > on > > > > their side? > > > > Anything I missed? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until I finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much more aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since with NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable. Good luck BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy. "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems to > relate to my problem. > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup

everthing > and I can play, no problem. > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure inthe

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> main menu of N2003. > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > without any success. > > Seems to be graphics related? > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > their side? > Anything I missed? > > Thanks. > >

Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What did you change? TIA "Tom Stanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until I > finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are muchmore

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> aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since with > NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable. > Good luck > BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy. > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems

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> > relate to my problem. > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > everthing > > and I can play, no problem. > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in > the > > main menu of N2003. > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > without any success. > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > > their side? > > Anything I missed? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >

Before I made the changes shown below (as per Kingston tech support), I downloaded and ran MemTest (do an online search, should be easy to find), which detect numerous memory errors. After making the changes, I ran the test again, and no memory errors were detected... I've been running trouble free since Sept. 03, but I still recommend that you call Kingston, things might have changed since Sept. BIOS settings Advanced -DDR Ref. Voltage (2.65v) Advanced Chipset Settings -Configure Dram Timing by SPD (Disabled) the above setting will open up the following: -Dram CAS# Latency (2.0 clocks) -Dram RAS# Precaharge (2 clocks) -RAS# to CAS# Delay (3 clocks) -Precharge Delay (6 clocks) -Burst Length (8 clocks) MAM (Auto) Dram Idle Timer (Auto) Dram Refresh Rate (Auto) "RHinNC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Z%Ob.260297$[email hidden]...

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> Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What did > you change? > > TIA > > "Tom Stanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003, until

I > > finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much > more > > aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem sincewith

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> > NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running very stable. > > Good luck > > BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy. > > > > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems > to > > > relate to my problem. > > > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4

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> > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > > everthing > > > and I can play, no problem. > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure

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> > the > > > main menu of N2003. > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > > without any success. > > > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems

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> > > their side? > > > Anything I missed? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > >

I installed the latest XP Creative Drivers for my audigy and N2003 is now working like a charm. No more crashing XP. As most pointed out, it was indeed a sound problem! My memory is close to Tom's memory setting. Only my precharge is at 3 instead of 2 and I use 2.75 volts but I have an overclocked bus at 225Mhz. Thanks for your inputs.

Thanks for the information. "Tom Stanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Before I made the changes shown below (as per Kingston tech support), I > downloaded and ran MemTest (do an online search, should be easy to find), > which detect numerous memory errors. After making the changes, I ran the > test again, and no memory errors were detected... I've been runningtrouble

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> free since Sept. 03, but I still recommend that you call Kingston, things > might have changed since Sept. > > BIOS settings > Advanced > -DDR Ref. Voltage (2.65v) > Advanced Chipset Settings > -Configure Dram Timing by SPD (Disabled) > the above setting will open up the following: > -Dram CAS# Latency (2.0 clocks) > -Dram RAS# Precaharge (2 clocks) > -RAS# to CAS# Delay (3 clocks) > -Precharge Delay (6 clocks) > -Burst Length (8 clocks) > > MAM (Auto) > Dram Idle Timer (Auto) > Dram Refresh Rate (Auto) > > > > "RHinNC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6Z%Ob.260297$[email hidden]... > > Could you please elaborate on "setup my memory settings" please? What

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> > you change? > > > > TIA > > > > "Tom Stanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I have the same m/b and memory, and had many crashes with NR2003,

until > I > > > finally called Kingston. They setup my memory settings (which are much > > more > > > aggressive than the defaults were), and I haven't had a problem since > with > > > NR2003 or any other app. XP and everything on it is running verystable.

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> > > Good luck > > > BTW, Kingston tech support was fast and easy. > > > > > > > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that

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> > to > > > > relate to my problem. > > > > > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 > 2.8C. > > > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > > > everthing > > > > and I can play, no problem. > > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D

configure > in > > > the > > > > main menu of N2003. > > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardwareaccelaration

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> > > > without any success. > > > > > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems > on > > > > their side? > > > > Anything I missed? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I had the problem on line & did the same...lowered the sound acc. one notch & no more problems (ac97 onboard sound) "Pascal Dukers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:buh3od$mo3$[email hidden]...

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> I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least > something to try > > Pascal. > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems

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> > relate to my problem. > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4 2.8C. > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > everthing > > and I can play, no problem. > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure in > the > > main menu of N2003. > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > without any success. > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems on > > their side? > > Anything I missed? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >

Be aware that under Windows XP, turning down the accelleration even one notch turns off sound accelleration _completely_. -Larry "Terry & Lesley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:buqsii$2ecg$[email hidden]... > I had the problem on line & did the same...lowered the sound acc. onenotch

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> & no more problems (ac97 onboard sound) > "Pascal Dukers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:buh3od$mo3$[email hidden]... > > I have the same m/b, but with a Ati 9800 pro. I also had problems with > > crashes when I hit the exit or retire button. It turned out to be the > > onboard sound as lowering the acceleration one click solved it. At least > > something to try > > > > Pascal. > > > > > > "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I searched in the news and there was a trend back in august that seems > to > > > relate to my problem. > > > > > > I just upgraded to a P4P800 m/b, 2x256Mb Hyper-X dual channel, P4

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> > > I used Det 52.16 on a Ti4600 and did a fresh install of XP Pro. > > > I tried N2003 on an NTFS and FAT32 drive with the same results: > > > > > > I use 3D Setup to setup basic graphics then starts N2003. I setup > > everthing > > > and I can play, no problem. > > > But, when I exit it crashes XP without saving my settings!!! > > > Another things that crashes it the same way is selecting 3D configure

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> > the > > > main menu of N2003. > > > Because of the august trend I played with Sound hardware accelaration > > > without any success. > > > > > > Seems to be graphics related? > > > Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or problems

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> > > their side? > > > Anything I missed? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > >

That driver you are using, is crap for NR2003. Im still using the quite a bit older ones especailly for the 4600 (I have the Creative-128 meg version myself...) seems the number is like well crap I dont want to post the wrong one, but at work (where I dont race, I have the 45's in there, and I know I took the dirver home and it killed the framerates a bit so I again reverted... I dont do the upgrades of drivers now that my card isn't the card that is being sold, IE replaced by the 5's so drivers seem to fit the 5's more? if you had the 5 series cards, then you want the new drivers? but IMHO if you like me, (seldom do anything but race NR03) you will love the 43.x or possibly it was 41.x drivers... I think they started optimizing for the 5xxx series cards which killed the 4xxx series cards, but that is just my guess/observation with mine and friends machines... Oh and the Detonators, never been good for me, IMHO since the 4x.xx drivers. every other game I run seems kewl. I got the info written down ( so that I wont forget if I had to format/reinstall everything, but of course that is on a notebook at home. Claude Leclerc wrote:

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> I tried unpatched, latest patch and D3D and OGL with same result :-(. > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message > de news: [email hidden]... >> "Claude Leclerc" <benquinAThotmail.com> wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >> >>> Seems to be graphics related? >>> Can anyone with a setup close to mine comment on success or >>> problems on their side? >>> Anything I missed? >>> >>> Thanks. >> >> Have you patched nr2k3? ANd have you tried both the d3d and the >> opengl graphic options? >> >> dave henrie