3DFX vs Rendition PLEASE

I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) for NASCAR Racing 99. Thanks! Dave

Well, I can only compare a Hercules Thriller 3d 8mp pci 2200 rendition card with a Canopus Pure 3d Voodoo 1 card, as these are what I have in my system. I get better framerates in N99 with the rendition card. Not as severe a difference as I see in GPL, but better nonetheless. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten >I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) >for NASCAR Racing 99. >Thanks! >Dave

Dave, Actually, I use an STB V4400 AGP X2 card with 16mb and it flies on that. I have an Intel P2-400 oc'd to 448 with 128megs 7ns PC-100 and above card and turn everything to max and it runs smooth as silk. If you use this card, make sure you DON'T install the Vesa drivers. It blows away 3dfx in image quality, I am not sure about Rendition, as I haven't had one in a long time, and can't compare them. Regards, Ed Medlin www.flyairwest.com Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 191942 Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/191942 Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen

Dave, The answer may depend on your system, which CPU, how much memory, does your motherboard support dma and/or busmastering?. if you have a fast enough cpu, the framerate may be identical at the max 30fps. In my opinon,having both a v200 rendition and 3dfx2 12 meg card, with my p166mmx, I get the same frame rates in nr1999. The graphics seem a bit better in rendition , but they are very close.

II rendition v2100 graphics card nad I get 30+ fps in N2 with all graphics on and 18 cars in front with full field. In gpl I get 36 frames with all sounds and graphics on,full field at 640x480. The video quality is awesome and my system was built and upgraded on a very tight budget! Jeff >I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) >for NASCAR Racing 99. >Thanks! >Dave

What about GPL on your Stealth card? stealth

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>II rendition v2100 graphics card nad I get 30+ fps in N2 with all graphics >on and 18 cars in front with full field. >In gpl I get 36 frames with all sounds and graphics on,full field at >640x480. >The video quality is awesome and my system was built and upgraded on a very >tight budget! >Jeff >>I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) >>for NASCAR Racing 99. >>Thanks! >>Dave

With my celeron 300a oc'd to 450, 64mb memory and a monster fusion, I get 36fps at 1024x768 with all options on and detail at the middle. It gets a little lower (high 20's) on the grid with 19 other cars, assuming most of them are behind me ;-). At 300Mhz, I have to tone things down a little and switch to 800x600. I am too spoiled now to even consider racing at 640x480. I LOVE my monster fusion! Charlie >I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) >for NASCAR Racing 99. >Thanks! >Dave

How is it possible to get anything greater than 640x480 in N99?? I thought that was the max available....it is with my Q3D Raven Banshee w/16 mb..... >>I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) >>for NASCAR Racing 99. >>Thanks! >>Dave

Currently, in terms of 3D accleration, Rendition seems to have been eclipsed by Voodoo2 in terms of fps and by TNT in terms of image quality. In terms of fps Voodoo2 (3dfx) at 12Mb is quite a bit faster than Rendition and dual Voodoo2s running in SLI mode are much faster than anything around including TNT. Of course it depends on your system and on less than PII, Voodoo2 doesn't really perform. It also depends on the games you want to play - GPL, for example, cannot output more than 36fps, which isn't very much these days. The graphics on Voodoo2 look a bit washed out because it only supports 16bit colours, whereas other cards support more colour depth. Voodoo2 cannot support more than 1024x768 whereas TNT will do 1600x1200. Also Voodoo2 doesn't have any 2D acceleration built in so you will need a 2D card as well, but you almost certainly have one of those already. See http:\\www.tomshardware.com (the definitive hardware review site) for comparative benchmarks between all the graphics cards. According to tomshardware the ultimate *** machine has a dual Voodoo2 and an AGP TNT. You will need the Open GL libraries to get GPL to run well on TNT (don't know about N99). The Canopus TNT supports TV out which will be great if you have a wide screen tv as games are beginning to support that now - eg GPL and TOCA2. Obviously unless you have a wide-screen gas plasma tv (big bucks), the resolution and frame rates will be less than on a reasonable monitor. Also you can feed your Voodoo2 cards into the TNT rather than vice versa and so not suffer the poorer quality 2D with 3dfx pass-through. Things are set to change with the advent of Voodoo3, which will have 2D acceleration, AGP support, on board SLI and increased colour depth. In reality the Voodoo3 is the next generation Banshee, which has not had such rave reviews as Voodoo2 and so the marketing dept at 3dfx have called it Voodoo3 rather than Bahshee 2. How TNT and Rendition will reply to this, I don't know. Cheers, Paul > I'd appreciate opinions on which technology is better (better frame rates) > for NASCAR Racing 99. > Thanks! > Dave

Just to correct that URL: http://www.tomshardware.com/ Cheers, Paul

Oops, I was not thinking. As I mentioned at the beginning of my post, I was in GPL mode. As for N99, I haven't spent enough time with it lately to comment. Sorry guys, Charlie

Oops ignore my last 2 messages while I rewire the eyes-to-keyboard connection to include my brain.... GPL, 1024x768, N99, 640x480 Charlie