Pentium II 700Mhz performance

Pentium II 700Mhz performance from the AMD K6-2 3D 350... is that possible? Source is respectable but not reliable... not even very respectable actually. I have checked PCWorld and they say AMD are offering the equivalent cheaper. Would it be significantly faster than a PII 266 with GPL anyhow? I did not know where to post this so I attempted to mask my CPU question by reference to the game I need the upgrade for - fair? Tony

hahahaha an AMD K6-2 350 doesn't perform as a PII 700, and is even slower then a PII 350. I would probably say its around a PII 300 speed, so it might be slightly faster then a PII 266. Wait til the K7, now that might be much faster then any PII or PIII. Arthur Stealth Racing http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html

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>Pentium II 700Mhz performance from the AMD K6-2 3D 350... is that possible? >Source is respectable but not reliable... not even very respectable >actually. I have checked PCWorld and they say AMD are offering the >equivalent cheaper. >Would it be significantly faster than a PII 266 with GPL anyhow? >I did not know where to post this so I attempted to mask my CPU question by >reference to the game I need the upgrade for - fair? >Tony

Uhh..I like to keep current with hardware, so could you please let me know where I can buy a PII 700? Then I can post my opinion on how the performance compares to an AMD K6-2 350. Maybe I shouldn't jump at the 700 and i should just go ahead and wait for the PII 900 or PII 1000. Since the PII 700 is out already, they can't be far behind. :-) daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

PII 700MHz !!? you gotta be kidding - where did you see that ? The 500MHz isn't due 'til March. I'd appreciate a link to where you saw that one...

Nope.....not possible. Always remember.......you get what you pay for. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true. We are about a year away from 600mhz performance, 700mhz is farther away than that. Check Tom's Hardware web site for benchmarks, or some other site that compares processors. 3D-Now is not supported by many software companies yet, and with the Intel Katmai coming, many are taking a second look.

Actually there is not PII 700. The highest the PII goes is 450MHz. The PIII will start at 500MHz and go up from there.. PIII was released today.. Thursday the 28th of January. Cowen Wilson

Don't worry Daxe _almost_ all of us got your point. rob. >Actually there is not PII 700. The highest the PII goes is 450MHz. The >PIII will start at 500MHz and go up from there.. PIII was released today.. >Thursday the 28th of January. >Cowen Wilson

Yea, it isn`t ! We are about a year away Well, you CAN buy a C366A today, and run it at 5.5x 100Mhz, or ( whit some luck, and good cooling ) at 112Mhz, and that thing is CHEAP ! Intel is slowing the bussiness down, so they can keep selling a *little* faster (and more expensive) CPU`s from mouth to mouth ! So, 600Mhz isnt far away at all, I was running my system at 504Mhz (2.0V !!, no extra cooling, no overheating, and it was a P2-300 ! ) for half a year, now i run my C366A at 616 Mhz (2.2V, and an extra fun inside the case) and it IS rock stable ! Whit celerons coming over 400Mhz factory settings, and P3`s over 500Mhz, we are very close to be able to see that kind of perf in most of the serius simracers PC, and we DO need that power to run GPL 100%, do we ? yea we do ! ) Back to the original question....no way, that AMD K6-2 3D 350 will never get close to the perf of an Intel celeron of the same clock speed, not for GPL anyway, maybe if the actual game DO uses 3Dnow! it is possible to gain some speed, but the lack of 3dnow! support isnt looking good at all ! cya, Tilus sorry for the real bad english !

You miss understood me, I never said there were PII 700Mhz CPUs, just that the AMD 350 doesn't perform as a PII 700 as the post before me stated "Pentium II 700Mhz performance from the AMD K6-2 3D 350," nothing about PII 700 CPU anywhere, just that the AMD 350 gets PII 700 type performance, which is just laughable considering the PII 450 crushes the AMD 350. Arthur Stealth Racing http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html

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>>hahahaha an AMD K6-2 350 doesn't perform as a PII 700, and is even slower >>then a PII 350. I would probably say its around a PII 300 speed, so it >might >>be slightly faster then a PII 266. Wait til the K7, now that might be much >>faster then any PII or PIII. >Uhh..I like to keep current with hardware, so could you please let me know >where I can buy a PII 700? Then I can post my opinion on how the >performance compares to an AMD K6-2 350. Maybe I shouldn't jump at the 700 >and i should just go ahead and wait for the PII 900 or PII 1000. Since the >PII 700 is out already, they can't be far behind. >:-) >daxe >-----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >-----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server

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Bad URL Dave ! I don`t care if someone else had to use extra cooling, i know that this first series of C366A are capoble of reaching 550+, and some 600+, and they aren`t even mulipleyer locked (!), so you are do not have to use 5.5 multi, if you wanna go higher/lower you are wellcome ! I bet it is going to change real soon, but i don`t care until my CPU runs fine ! If you remember i posted the first rewiev of those Celeron 266`s running at 450, and those P2-300 running over 500 to this newsgroup a long, long time ago, when noone ever know what a SL2W8 is, and no1 belived me eighter ! Thats it, it isnt fake ! Tell me what benchmars you wanna see ! Tilus sorry for the bad english

That's what I meant. Thanks for clearing it up. There is no P II available from Intel. Thanks for the feedback - but what's the K7 story. It sounds too perfect. Tony >You miss understood me, I never said there were PII 700Mhz CPUs, just that >the AMD 350 doesn't perform as a PII 700 as the post before me stated >"Pentium II 700Mhz performance from the AMD K6-2 3D 350," nothing about PII >700 CPU anywhere, just that the AMD 350 gets PII 700 type performance, which

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>is just laughable considering the PII 450 crushes the AMD 350. >Arthur >Stealth Racing >http://www.***sys.com/stealthracing.html >>>hahahaha an AMD K6-2 350 doesn't perform as a PII 700, and is even slower >>>then a PII 350. I would probably say its around a PII 300 speed, so it >>might >>>be slightly faster then a PII 266. Wait til the K7, now that might be

much >>>faster then any PII or PIII. >>Uhh..I like to keep current with hardware, so could you please let me know >>where I can buy a PII 700? Then I can post my opinion on how the >>performance compares to an AMD K6-2 350. Maybe I shouldn't jump at the 700 >>and i should just go ahead and wait for the PII 900 or PII 1000. Since the

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>>PII 700 is out already, they can't be far behind. >>:-) >>daxe >>-----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News

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I've got a C366, it will not run at 550 Mhz, even with 2.3 volts. I have not checked mine, but I think they are multipiler locked. You must have a pre-release version.

: I've got a C366, it will not run at 550 Mhz, even with 2.3 volts. I have not : checked mine, but I think they are multipiler locked. You must have a : pre-release version. They are multiplier locked (as are most celerons) but not clock-speed locked. Thus you can, switch from running at 66MHz x5.5 to running at 100Mhz x 5.5. Of course the chip won't run that hot so it'll be totally unstable. (Unlike the C300 which was often stable when switched from 66 to 100 and thus often would run as a C450). -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Like the stories I've read saying the new Celeron 400A runs like a PII 400. Even Tom's hardware said this. I bought one, and it SUCKED. Comparatively, it ran about like a PII 266. I dusted off the Credit Card and bought a Pentium II 450. Hell, almost had to take out a 3rd mortgage! -Larry > Nope.....not possible. Always remember.......you get what you pay for. If it > sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true.

I'm sorry.... This kind of over-crocking and the word "Stable" is an oxymoron. I've had two PII300's, and neither of them would even stay up at 350Mhz. And the new C400A's ain't all they're cracked up to be. At least the one I tested wasn't. Comparatively, it performed like a PII266. -Larry

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> Well, you CAN buy a C366A today, and run it at 5.5x 100Mhz, or ( whit some > luck, and good cooling ) at 112Mhz, and that thing is CHEAP ! > Intel is slowing the bussiness down, so they can keep selling a *little* > faster (and more expensive) CPU`s from mouth to mouth ! > So, 600Mhz isnt far away at all, I was running my system at 504Mhz (2.0V !!, > no extra cooling, no overheating, and it was a P2-300 ! ) for half a year, > now i run my C366A at 616 Mhz (2.2V, and an extra fun inside the case) and > it IS rock stable !

A P2 is very, very POOR at overclocking. A Celeron is MUCH more likely to be stable at speeds higher than it is rated for. In a P2, the cache is on separate chips. While the P2 core is much more likely to be capable of running at higher speeds, the cache chips are running very close to their limit. When you overclock "a P2" it's the cache chips that overheat and fail. In a Celeron, the cache is on the same silicon as the CPU itself. And it has nearly the same headroom as the CPU. Also, it's much easier to keep the entire package cool enough to run. I read this once on (I think) http://www.overclockers.com. http://www.tomshardware.com may address the issue, too. Mighty

Actually the L2 cache chips in the P2s are specificially matched to the half the speed of the P2 core. So yeah, it is the cache chips that make the P2s very un-overclockable. Take my P2350...works fine at P2400, but thats it. Disable the L2 cache and I can get it running at 4.5x124=558. Noteable exception to all this was some particular ss# P2300s which were really P2450s that were only being run at 66mhz (4.5x66=300) FSB speeds.

That`s simply not true as it is, get a P2-266(sl2w7) and run it at 448 whit no problems, or get a P2-300(sl2W8) and run it at 504-540Mhz, mine was running at 540, whit 2.2V, and it wasnt even warm ! SL2 series uses cache chips previusly designed to use in 400 and 450 cpus ! Sure they do...but not all P2 created to be equal ! Celeron generates a LOT more heat then the regular P2, and P2-400, 450 is cache cooled ! you can also modify the 266, 300, 350 models to be cache cooled ! Thanks, Tilus

I think I can say with a certain degree of comfort that this is _not_ typical... -Larry > That`s simply not true as it is, get a P2-266(sl2w7) and run it at 448 whit > no problems, or get a P2-300(sl2W8) and run it at 504-540Mhz, mine was > running at 540, whit 2.2V, and it wasnt even warm ! > SL2 series uses cache chips previusly designed to use in 400 and 450 cpus !

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>Like the stories I've read saying the new Celeron 400A runs like a PII >400. Even Tom's hardware said this. >I bought one, and it SUCKED. Comparatively, it ran about like a PII >266. >I dusted off the Credit Card and bought a Pentium II 450. Hell, almost >had to take out a 3rd mortgage! >-Larry >> Nope.....not possible. Always remember.......you get what you pay for. If

it >> sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true. You did overclock the Celeron, didn't you? It's just that I spoke to somebody a while ago who said something simillar to you, the only problem was that they had expected the chip to run like a P2 450 right from the start, without any tweaking... Adam