has anybody tried the Toca 2 demo

When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the download and do something else until it's done. Start it when you go to bed and sleep. Start it on your computer and minimize it and drive your favorite sim. What's the big deal? If it sucks or doesn't run, then just delete it, it doesn't really cost anything to download it and doesn't require you to stare at the progress indicator, either. When I came home from work and read my email and checked r.a.s. messages, I clicked on the URL posted to get to the download site for the Demo. I started the download and went to have dinner with my family. I have so far gotten 10.2 MEG of it. I'm sitting here answering email and reading more r.a.s., and I expect the demo to finish dribbling in on my poky 56K modem (running at a stunning 26400) by around 1030. If it doesn't work, then so what? No skin off my teeth. ~daxe "religion is remedial spirituality" -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

After that unofficial colin mcrae demo didnt work on my voodoo card im not gonna download 20meg for nothing!

Works fine with my Monster Voodoo2 card, no problems at all.

SNIP Lots of stuff concerning the abundance of "free local phone calls in USA" David I'm pretty sure that in Australia they pay for there local phone calls, pretty much in the same way as we in Europe and probably the rest of the world too. So It isn't just a case of going to bed or going to a bar or whatever WE have to think of it in a monetary thang also. Like the TOCA 2 demo wont work on my machine "pretty standard hardware" so I spent 2 hours on my phone for NOTHING.

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:57:00 -0500, "Daxe Rexford" >When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the >download and do something else until it's done. Start it when you go to bed >and sleep. Start it on your computer and minimize it and drive your >favorite sim. What's the big deal? If it sucks or doesn't run, then just >delete it, it doesn't really cost anything to download it and doesn't >require you to stare at the progress indicator, either. Hmmm - it will cost at least a couple of pounds to download a demo here in the UK, at least one that large. Personally I almost never download any demos unless I'm pretty convinced they're going to be worthwhile (almost never). Then too there is the size of them - I like the look of Links LS99, but 50Mb for a demo? FIFTY?! I'll stick with my original Links LS and save money on my 'phone bill and my credit card (mind you, since it finally has St. Andrews it would be nice to have, even if they make the usual mistake of calling St. Andrews the birthplace of golf). Cheers! John

Yeah, we pay for our local calls - but a flat rate of about 20 cents regardless of how long the call is. So once I'm connected, it costs me nothing to stay connected, as my ISP has unlimited time for $AU110 per three months. So Daxe's comments were spot on from my perspective. Cheers Alan.

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>>SNIP Lots of stuff concerning the abundance of "free local phone calls in USA" >>David I'm pretty sure that in Australia they pay for there local phone calls, > pretty >>much in the same way as we in Europe and probably the rest of the world too. >>So It isn't just a case of going to bed or going to a bar or whatever WE have > to think >>of it in a monetary thang also. >>Like the TOCA 2 demo wont work on my machine "pretty standard hardware" so I > spent 2 >>hours on my phone for NOTHING. >Yeah, we pay for our local calls - but a flat rate of about 20 cents >regardless of how long the call is. >So once I'm connected, it costs me nothing to stay connected, as my >ISP has unlimited time for $AU110 per three months. >So Daxe's comments were spot on from my perspective. >Cheers >Alan.

No, they sound pretty much like they were- Naive, and ***erish. For one, not everyone has a dedicated line- i remember when i first got started with the net, while we had free local calls, i was sharing a phone line with other inhabitants. So, tying up a phone line in a flat of many for 2 hours is easily quite rude.... regardless of how much it may cost. Z.

Uhhh, most people pay for their ISP access time and many people also have to pay for telephone call access time. Since when is anything free? I am fortunate enough to not have to pay for specific calls and I have a permanent Internet connection, but I am also not ignorant enough to think that everyone else is in the same boat...but then I am also not an American (let the flames begin :) ). Marc. >>After that unofficial colin mcrae demo didnt work on my voodoo card im not >>gonna download 20meg for nothing! >When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the >download and do something else until it's done. Start it when you go to bed

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>and sleep. Start it on your computer and minimize it and drive your >favorite sim. What's the big deal? If it sucks or doesn't run, then just >delete it, it doesn't really cost anything to download it and doesn't >require you to stare at the progress indicator, either. >When I came home from work and read my email and checked r.a.s. messages, I >clicked on the URL posted to get to the download site for the Demo. I >started the download and went to have dinner with my family. I have so far >gotten 10.2 MEG of it. I'm sitting here answering email and reading more >r.a.s., and I expect the demo to finish dribbling in on my poky 56K modem >(running at a stunning 26400) by around 1030. If it doesn't work, then so >what? No skin off my teeth. >~daxe >"religion is remedial spirituality" >-----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >-----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server

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Mark, John, Paul, et al... Okay, okay. Valid points. On behalf of Daxe, and all Americans, I apologize.

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:57:00 -0500, "Daxe Rexford" >>After that unofficial colin mcrae demo didnt work on my voodoo card im not >>gonna download 20meg for nothing! >When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the >download and do something else until it's done. ...and pay the telephone bill? Internet's not free in many parts of the world, including large parts of Europe. Daniel -- Daniel Lichtenberger, Vienna/Austria

That is dreadful! Back about 4-5 years ago, internet access of any kind outside of a school was hourly and pretty expensive if you spent much time there, but it quickly dropped to 15~20$ a month for unlimited access and that remains the standard. I figured the rest of the world was keeping up with the advance of technology, but forgot that prices are somewhat less market-driven in places with economies that are less free or with utilities that are state-owned or controlled. Huh. daex -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

Thats about 20$ US, right? And AOL owns Compuserve, btw. dx -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

Bonehead...I didn't waste anything. It worked for me. It's not my fault or my problem that it didn't work for you. Huh? Yes, but since I am an American, it is pretty unlikely that I would be making any other kind, isn't it? I have posted that I just didn't know and now I do. I stand corrected. I am sure you are perfect and omniscient and know everything about everything that happens everywhere in the world, right? I have a 56K modem and I live in the woods. There are no connections locally that support the 56K, so it functions as a 33,6 modem. I almost 1/2 hours to download the 20 Meg demo. What are you going to do? Carry each byte of data in a wheelbarrow to your house? daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

Dont apologize on my behalf, thanks. I didn't know the phone was so expensive, and now I do. I won't make the same kind of commments again with an international audience, but I'm not sorry I did. I don't have much patience for people who want something and whine when they have to pay for it, anyway. daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

>On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:57:00 -0500, "Daxe Rexford" >>>After that unofficial colin mcrae demo didnt work on my voodoo card im not

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>>>gonna download 20meg for nothing! >>When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the >>download and do something else until it's done. >...and pay the telephone bill? Internet's not free in many parts of >the world, including large parts of Europe.

The internet isn't free here, either, but the phone bill gets paid to have a phone. It doesn't increase because you are downloading something. My point was: If you already have a phone and internet access, why should downloading a large demo cost any more? Now I know. daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

Actually local calls are flat rate (about $0.40)...but ISP charges may be by the minute or Mb. Ben >SNIP Lots of stuff concerning the abundance of "free local phone calls in USA" >David I'm pretty sure that in Australia they pay for there local phone calls, pretty >much in the same way as we in Europe and probably the rest of the world too. >So It isn't just a case of going to bed or going to a bar or whatever WE have to think >of it in a monetary thang also. >Like the TOCA 2 demo wont work on my machine "pretty standard hardware" so I spent 2 >hours on my phone for NOTHING.

Okay, Daxe, that does it! We're withdrawing your nomination for ambassador to the United Nations.

Well, AOL and Compuserve apart (both American companies) the standard in hick lille UK is about 10 GBP for 1 month's unlimited access, Cheers, Paul

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> >Actually local calls are flat rate (about $0.40)...but ISP charges may be > by > >the minute or Mb. > That is dreadful! > Back about 4-5 years ago, internet access of any kind outside of a school > was hourly and pretty expensive if you spent much time there, but it quickly > dropped to 15~20$ a month for unlimited access and that remains the > standard. I figured the rest of the world was keeping up with the advance > of technology, but forgot that prices are somewhat less market-driven in > places with economies that are less free or with utilities that are > state-owned or controlled. > Huh. > daex > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

About 16-17 USD depending on exchange rate, Cheers, Paul

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> >Well, AOL and Compuserve apart (both American companies) the standard in > hick lille UK > >is about 10 GBP for 1 month's unlimited access, > >Cheers, > >Paul > Thats about 20$ US, right? And AOL owns Compuserve, btw. > dx > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

Regardless, what is the point of wasting anything an a demo that wont work? I may aswell leave my pc off. And as most people pointed out you did make some big american assumptions in that post didnt you. If I just logged on and started downloading it could take over a week to get it down.

You're the only person I've hear say it doesn't work and you haven't even tried it! Nearest I've heard is someone who has transparent triangles on his Voodoo2 with this and other games and $100 says that's down to the drivers he's using. Cheers, Paul

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> >>After that unofficial colin mcrae demo didnt work on my voodoo card im not > >>gonna download 20meg for nothing! > >When did downloading something become an effort? You just start the > >download and do something else until it's done. <big snip> > Regardless, what is the point of wasting anything an a demo that wont work? > I may aswell leave my pc off. And as most people pointed out you did make > some big american assumptions in that post didnt you. If I just logged on > and started downloading it could take over a week to get it down.

Try 25c from Telstra and 20c from Optus. Whoever you are paying 40c is ripping you off. -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

> You're the only person I've hear say it doesn't work and you haven't even tried > it! Nearest I've heard is someone who has transparent triangles on his Voodoo2 > with this and other games and $100 says that's down to the drivers he's using. > Cheers, > Paul Actually I cant get it to work either :) I get no video choices in the setup screen (V2 SLI&TNT) So I cant start the game :(

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>Back about 4-5 years ago, internet access of any kind outside of a school >was hourly and pretty expensive if you spent much time there, but it quickly >dropped to 15~20$ a month for unlimited access and that remains the >standard. I figured the rest of the world was keeping up with the advance >of technology, but forgot that prices are somewhat less market-driven in >places with economies that are less free or with utilities that are >state-owned or controlled.

Wasn't there in fact discussions floating around in US some time ago that the telephone operators in US were considering moving into pay per minute in local calls too? Has there been any more news about it? Here where I live it used to be so that outside "office hours" (7-17) the local calls were "flat rate" in that no matter how long the call took, it cost only half a FIM or so (1 FIM ~ 0.15 USD). So I could keep the line open for whole weekend, and it still cost the same. But recently (last year?) they changed it, so it isn't possible anymore. The reason is simple: many people really kept their lines open whole weekend or whole night (thanks to the internet boom), and still paid only that measly 0.5 FIM for it. That's poor business for the tele companies, because those open lines (both analog and ISDN) still reserve resources from the switches, even if there is no data going in there. I'm sure many US operators have the same problem. BTW another thing to consider is that "local call area" in here mean a much much wider area than in US generally. As far as I know in many US cities alone there are several "local call areas", while here a local call area usually consists of several cities (albeit smaller cities), and geographically a MUCH wider area. But of course that doesn't matter if the ISP you like to use is next to you in your local call area.

Wasn't the right to free local phone calls one of the main reasons the Pilgrims left that side of the pond in the first place? God bless America !!!!!!! :-) Doug.........Lifelong die hard Boston Bruins fan....Driving Sim racer....avid Sam Adams drinker....3 Stooges fan....Proud American !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This American military pilot (after returning from Bosnia to keep the European Peace) downloaded the TOCA2 only to find that it won't run. "unable to find installation language in C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\TOCA2D~1\SETUP.LID file". I guess I'll crack open a German beer and watch another episode of "Two Fat Ladies" and hope someone on this planet can help me out. Cheers to world harmony. Chuck