NASCAR 1999 - Not Impressed

I bought this last night, on the strength of a 100% rebate, and I'm not terribly impressed. My main problem is that the controls are so poor that they make the car undriveable. I have Nascar1, Nascar2, Indycar1, Indycar2, and a ton of other driving games/sims which all recognize my wheel and work perfectly with it. Nascar 1999, however, would only partially work with my wheel, so I threw my old joystick back on, and I got the same problem. The car wants to turn hard left and smack the infield fence. If I really try, I get get a few hot laps in, but it is a tremendous amount of work, and the slightest twitch will send the car hard left. Definitely not the enjoyment one seeks in buying a program such as this. Ove 20 attempts at calibrating the wheel/joystick have been fruitless. The situation simply cannot be corrected. The game simply has too many bugs in it to be recommended. For half the price, buy the Nascar 2 edition with the Busch expansion pack in it. Nascar 2 is terrific, and it doesn't have the bugs of the new release. Further, I didn't see a significant graphics improvement in NASCAR 1999 over Nascar 2. The latest, greatest, thing isn't always that.

Have to almost agree with you. From what I understand is that all of the tracks from N2 do not appear in 99. I've already made the decision to stay with the 50th edition and wait for the NASCAR 2000 to come out.

Thats strange, I haven't had any problem with N1999. I have used N1, N2 and the expansion pack. In N1999 it is generally tougher to race the AI at the same 'opps' setting as N2 but have had no problems with the wheel calibration or steering that you describe. Ron

I have to agree with Ron. The games act no differently to my wheel than N2 did and only pocono is missing which you can import and then run a patch from the Pits to fix it.

Same here Ron, N99 has worked great for me. No problems installing, calibrating, or getting the sim to run. I think it is well worth it for the extra tracks, the tracks, the modified tracks from N2, and the improved AI. No, I'm not going to say it is perfect, but it is a blast to run for me. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten >Thats strange, I haven't had any problem with N1999. I have used N1, N2 >and the expansion pack. In N1999 it is generally tougher to race the AI >at the same 'opps' setting as N2 but have had no problems with the wheel >calibration or steering that you describe.

Brian, I'm curious. Are you running the windows executable, or dos? If your wheel and pedals worked fine for N2, they should work fine for N99 running in dos. If they only don't work in the win executable, you probably need to set them up properly in windows. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten

D/A Fischer wrote Err no. The only tracks that do not appear are Pocono and North Wilkesboro. The first IIRC is because they didn't had the license, the second because it's not a Nascar track anymore. They also took out the two Fantasy tracks, but they are also in the /NROS folder. There is still more than 34tracks in the title.. so please have facts before saying something. And you can find those tracks in your /NROS folder btw. It seems you do not have the software, so how can you judge it ? Nascar Racing 3 will be a complete different title, but while waiting, Nascar Racing : 1999 Edition is an excellent choice. And it's NOT buggy <g>. I could tell you that 99% of the racing software on the market are more buggy than Nascar 1999 Edition. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Brian P. Sweeney, Esq. wrote Ok.. the best thing is to ask for help.. There's the Sierra tech support and us also <g>. Have you tried to calibrate in BOTH the Windows enablers and the Dos versions ? If so.. in the Windows version, have you tried to calibrate under both "Papyrus" and "DirectX" ? And are your sure that your wheel is correctly configured in your Game Controller panel of Windows95/98 options ? If you tried all those situations it should work. And if it doesn't work, try to copy the controls.cfg and calib.val files from your N2 folder into NR99. It's absolutly false to judge a title and say it's buggy just because you have some calibration problems. The calibration routines of Papyrus are the BEST on the simracing market, and they even have the possibility now with Direct Input for EVERY wheel or joystick on the market. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I really love the game. I am only having problems with the TNT video cards. Everyone is having that problem. After the Diamond BIOS flash Saturday. I am not really having any problems now....Itreally love the game

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> Same here Ron, N99 has worked great for me. No problems installing, > calibrating, or getting the sim to run. I think it is well worth it for the > extra tracks, the tracks, the modified tracks from N2, and the improved AI. > No, I'm not going to say it is perfect, but it is a blast to run for me. > -- > Don Burnette > Palmetto Racing > Dburn on Ten > >Thats strange, I haven't had any problem with N1999. I have used N1, N2 > >and the expansion pack. In N1999 it is generally tougher to race the AI > >at the same 'opps' setting as N2 but have had no problems with the wheel > >calibration or steering that you describe.

Sorry you are having problems. I made a shortcut to the desktop for the "NR1999.BAT" and everything run great. I patched the sim to TPTCC for 1999 and am REALLY impressed with the handling model and control. buzard

What kind of wheel are you trying to use? The car wants to turn hard Are you sure that it isn't the car setup that is causing yor problem? Check the steering lock setting. I also had some trouble initially with wheel calibration, (I use the thrustmaster NASCAR pro), but eventually I broke down and carefully read the book. There is also a great deal of help available at the sierra web site on their message boards. If you like NASCAR 2 better, by all means stay with it. I like NR 99 better. Have to agree there.

You aren't impressed with something that's free? What do you want for nothing? :o) Works great for me! Me, too. It's not the game. It works fine for me with the wheel and joystick I have tried with it. Have you checked the setup of the car? Well, if it was a bug that could not be corrected, then everyone would be having this problem and they don't. Please don't blame the program when it isn't the program's shortcoming. Did you first calibrate the wheel or jooystick in Windows' control panel and THEN in the N1999 calibration? I do, but then again I have a 3dfx card. True, but I think your bad experience with the program is peculiar to your situation, not to the program. And since it's free anyway, what the heck are you complaining about? If you don't like it, throw it away or give it to someone who likes it, it won't cost you anything. ~daxe "religion is remedial spirituality" -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com/ The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server ==----------

I have had no problem with it. In fact. I can run it under windows, which I could not do before. and I never could get the sound to work with 1 or 2. I works great in 99

I see. Me too. Really! The joystick routine for the DOS version of the game is the same as Nascar Racing 2 (unfortunately). If you are running the Windows version and you have your driving device setup properly in the control panel it will work properly. What type of wheel do you have and what version of the game are you running? Too many bugs? Well in that case I guess I should delete the game and tell my friend that we can't do modem racing any more. I'll just tell him I read on the internet that the game we found to be flawless is full of bugs so we need to ge trid of it. Haha. Sheesh. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>Have you tried to calibrate in BOTH the Windows enablers and the Dos >versions ? If so.. in the Windows version, have you tried to calibrate under >both "Papyrus" and "DirectX" ? Arrrrggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder I prefer Macs. Things work right immediately and always on Macs, and 2 to 3 times faster than on Wintel machines. I mean, Wintel machines still run antiquated Pentiums, for Pete's sake. Actually, it's not. Unless things work right form the moment you double-click on an icon, the program is buggy. Wintel incomplete programs simply shift programming costs to the user. Anyway, thanks for the info. I'll slog trough all of this to see if I can fix the problem. Well, maybe, but things are factorially easier with a Mac. The game does look to be worth the trouble. Thanks a bunch. I'm off to work on this.

Try choosing joystick as your input, but use your wheel. It's one of those "linear", "non-linear" deals. Calibrate as usual, and you should be good to go. -Scott > >I bought this last night, on the strength of a 100% rebate, and I'm not > >terribly impressed. My main problem is that the controls are so poor that > >they make the car undriveable. > I see. > >I have Nascar1, Nascar2, Indycar1, Indycar2, and a ton of other driving > >games/sims which all recognize my wheel and work perfectly with it. Nascar > Me too. > >1999, however, would only partially work with my wheel, so I threw my old

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> Really! > >joystick back on, and I got the same problem. The car wants to turn hard > >left and smack the infield fence. If I really try, I get get a few hot > >laps in, but it is a tremendous amount of work, and the slightest twitch > >will send the car hard left. Definitely not the enjoyment one seeks in > >buying a program such as this. > The joystick routine for the DOS version of the game is the same as > Nascar Racing 2 (unfortunately). If you are running the Windows version > and you have your driving device setup properly in the control panel it > will work properly. > >Ove 20 attempts at calibrating the wheel/joystick have been fruitless.

The > What type of wheel do you have and what version of the game are you > running? > >situation simply cannot be corrected. The game simply has too many bugs in > >it to be recommended. > Too many bugs? Well in that case I guess I should delete the game and > tell my friend that we can't do modem racing any more. I'll just tell him I > read on the internet that the game we found to be flawless is full of bugs

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> so we need to ge trid of it. Haha. > Sheesh. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > >For half the price, buy the Nascar 2 edition with the Busch expansion

pack > >in it. Nascar 2 is terrific, and it doesn't have the bugs of the new > >release. Further, I didn't see a significant graphics improvement in > >NASCAR 1999 over Nascar 2. > >The latest, greatest, thing isn't always that.

"Brian P. Sweeney, Esq."...oh please! Fresh out of law school, Brian? Now there's an **impressive** high-brow word. Perhaps "exponentially" might have been a better choice? Huh? Break out the flame gear, Brian.

Brian P. Sweeney, Esq. wrote Well.. You can always stick with the Mac and Nascar1/Indycar Racing2 hehehehe. Oh and I forgot the critically acclaimed Al Unser Jr. Racing ;-) -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>>For half the price, buy the Nascar 2 edition with the Busch expansion pack >>in it. Nascar 2 is terrific, and it doesn't have the bugs of the new >>release. Further, I didn't see a significant graphics improvement in >>NASCAR 1999 over Nascar 2. >I do, but then again I have a 3dfx card. Agreed. His claim that there is no significant graphics improvement is quite idiotic. I have a P2-450 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card. NR1999 is absolutely fluid in Glide mode. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

The difference is huge. As I said in an earlier post I have a P2-450 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card. NR1999 is fantastic. BTW, the 3dfx glide patch for N2 totally sucked. NR1999 is the real deal, great graphics. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >Has anyone used 3dfx with Nascar 1999???? >Does it make a difference or is it a waste of money to buy. >I have 96 meg of ram, 8 meg video, P2 300. >Thank you. >> Brian, I'm curious. Are you running the windows executable, or dos? If your >> wheel and pedals worked fine for N2, they should work fine for N99 running >> in dos. If they only don't work in the win executable, you probably need to >> set them up properly in windows. >> -- >> Don Burnette >> Palmetto Racing >> Dburn on Ten >> >I bought this last night, on the strength of a 100% rebate, and I'm not >> >terribly impressed. My main problem is that the controls are so poor that >> >they make the car undriveable. >> >I have Nascar1, Nascar2, Indycar1, Indycar2, and a ton of other driving >> >games/sims which all recognize my wheel and work perfectly with it. Nascar >> >1999, however, would only partially work with my wheel, so I threw my old >> >joystick back on, and I got the same problem. The car wants to turn hard >> >left and smack the infield fence. If I really try, I get get a few hot >> >laps in, but it is a tremendous amount of work, and the slightest twitch >> >will send the car hard left. Definitely not the enjoyment one seeks in >> >buying a program such as this. >> >Ove 20 attempts at calibrating the wheel/joystick have been fruitless. The >> >situation simply cannot be corrected. The game simply has too many bugs in >> >it to be recommended. >> >For half the price, buy the Nascar 2 edition with the Busch expansion pack >> >in it. Nascar 2 is terrific, and it doesn't have the bugs of the new >> >release. Further, I didn't see a significant graphics improvement in >> >NASCAR 1999 over Nascar 2. >> >The latest, greatest, thing isn't always that.

>"Brian P. Sweeney, Esq."...oh please! Fresh out of law school, Brian? Define fresh. Further, how long have you been out?

>You can always stick with the Mac and Nascar1/Indycar Racing2 hehehehe. Oh >and I forgot the critically acclaimed Al Unser Jr. Racing ;-) Or I can use it as the fastest computer on the market today which is also the most powerful and easiest to use small business computer. Sims are nice, but I need my computer for work, first, and for games, second. PC's are so unstable and cumbersome that they do not rise much above the level of a game station for me. Given that I don't have time to fight with my computer, and given that I need my computer to be unflinchingly reliable, a Mac is the only legitimate means of satisfying my needs. Plus, a Mac is current for five years, while a PC is outdated in two, with only quantum advances having been made. Plus, my computer comes in tangerine. Anyway, thanks for the info. After some manipulation, I got the game to run well enough, and I actually won a truck race at Talladega.

Pay no attention to this clown, he trolls in the NASCAR ng's and has nothing positive to say.

fresh fresh (frsh) adjective Wet behind the ears. Needing to impress others with one's law degree.

Brian P. Sweeney, Esq. wrote Let's remember this is rec.autos.simulators , most of us don't give a *** about Apple vs. PC's for non-racing stuff, because in racing it's no-brain to see the best platform I saw there's even new colors now ! :-) (Im a iMAC fan, I feel it's an incredible product for Mr. Everybody over a WebTV) And G3's are great platforms for business users. cool ;-) -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

BWAhahaha I would normally stay out of PC/Mac "debate" but I don't feel normal today, so: The puter I am sitting at (which I maintain myself, rarely) running NT4. It has crashed on me...ooooh, let's see....never. If I want I can run W95 as a dual boot and run any games I wish to. What were those advantages again? Oh yeah, speed. I suggest you refer to an independant test of spped to perform similar tasks of various natures before quoting Apple's rhetoric. The only advantage Mac has is protection from inept users. Ben >>You can always stick with the Mac and Nascar1/Indycar Racing2 hehehehe. Oh

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>>and I forgot the critically acclaimed Al Unser Jr. Racing ;-) >Or I can use it as the fastest computer on the market today which is also >the most powerful and easiest to use small business computer. >Sims are nice, but I need my computer for work, first, and for games, >second. PC's are so unstable and cumbersome that they do not rise much >above the level of a game station for me. >Given that I don't have time to fight with my computer, and given that I >need my computer to be unflinchingly reliable, a Mac is the only >legitimate means of satisfying my needs. Plus, a Mac is current for five >years, while a PC is outdated in two, with only quantum advances having >been made. >Plus, my computer comes in tangerine. >Anyway, thanks for the info. After some manipulation, I got the game to >run well enough, and I actually won a truck race at Talladega.

Noooooooo shit :) -Larry

FYI Nascar Racing Mac is very much like N2, not N1. The graphics are also better than N2 on the PC... However, I run TEN/NROS, so I have to keep a PC around. -Larry > You can always stick with the Mac and Nascar1/Indycar Racing2 hehehehe.

>BWAhahaha >I would normally stay out of PC/Mac "debate" but I don't feel normal today, >so: So you feel like justifying your poor allocation of your consumer dollars. Bottom line, a Pentium MMX 400 chip runs about as fast as a 603e 200 mhz chip. Sorry. Pentiums are slow. Let's say you're right, and that Pentiums don't creep along. Explain this to me: why do IBM servers run the same chip that's in every Mac, while IBM PC's run Pentium chips? Assuming you know the difference between a workstation and a server and the needs placed on both, this factoid is game, set, and match. Quit buying the Intel propaganda. Wait a minute. When was the last time Intel ever claimed that they had the fastest chip on the market? Uh, never. 'Nuff said.

Just to clear things up for you. The IBM RS/6000's, which runs IBM's AIX Unix OS, uses the Power PC604, 604e, Power 2 , and the new 64bit RS64. IBM's NT server family, Netfinity, use Intel chips. So, all IBM servers do not run the same chips as the Mac. By the way, the Power PC was developed by Motorola, if I am not mistaken. Eric >Let's say you're right, and that Pentiums don't creep along. Explain this >to me: why do IBM servers run the same chip that's in every Mac, while IBM >PC's run Pentium chips?

Thanks for clearing up that stale air, Eric! The stuff this guy comes up with is amazing.

>Let's say you're right, and that Pentiums don't creep along. Explain this >to me: why do IBM servers run the same chip that's in every Mac, while IBM >PC's run Pentium chips? Ok, Mr. Esquire, let's cover this one a little further. IBM's servers run the Mac PPC 602e? IBM's servers are not exactly top of the market kind of stuff. Are you serious on this one? When was the last time you saw a MAC running 4 processors? Never. When was the last time you saw a MAC truly running multiple threads simultaneously? Never. I will agree with you for someone who doesn't want to know anything about how a computer works, a MAC is a fantastic choice. But I would love to see empirical evidence that a MAC is a more stable platform. Where does this notion come from? What evidence do you have? I move to strike that comment from the record. Council is basing his argument on an unsubstatiated claim your honor... MACs are fun little playthings that come in pretty colors. PCs are dynamic, versatile machines that are the workhorses of the information age. Get your facts straight Esquire.... -/- Walk Walker

"Game, set, match!" Thank you, Eric and Walk. Perhaps, Sweeney better stick with the law, though my bet is he doesn't practice based on the title he bestows upon himself and his Indiana University address. Oops...I was right. The Indiana University web site indicates that he's a third year law student. And already bestowing titles upon himself. Hey, Brian! Passed the bar yet?

Any chance we could stop cross posting this discussion to r.a.s.n?

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> "Game, set, match!" > Thank you, Eric and Walk. > Perhaps, Sweeney better stick with the law, though my bet is he doesn't > practice based on the title he bestows upon himself and his Indiana > University address. > Oops...I was right. The Indiana University web site indicates that he's a > third year law student. And already bestowing titles upon himself. Hey, > Brian! Passed the bar yet?

>I will agree with you for someone who doesn't want to know anything about >how a computer works, a MAC is a fantastic choice. That's the point, genius. I spend all my time using my computer, not learning how to use it. You're really kidding, right? I mean, this isn't the first time you've heard that Mac OS is more stable than Win95,98,NT, right? Tell me you don't live in a solipsistic cave. It's counsel, not council. This isn't a meeting of tribal elders. Anyway, there's no substantiation to your argument, so might I also motion to the bench? And run twice as fast as any Pentium. I love colors, don't you, or do you enjoy your bland conformity? Dynamic? Verstaile? Does my insurance cover hospitalization for laughing outbursts? You're running Windows, for Pete's sake. It's built on DOS. That's dynamic and versatile? Your dynamism and versatility, to whatever extent you have them, came as a result of Microsoft copying the Mac OS. So, if your PC is "dymanic and versatile," and it is nothing more than a pale copy of a Mac, what does this say about the Mac? God, you PC drones never stop, do you? "Workhorse of the information age?" God, this is funny. Macs are about 10% of the installed base yet comprise most of the web servers and 40% of those accessing the web. Workhorse, indeed. Case dismissed.

>Just to clear things up for you. The IBM RS/6000's, which runs IBM's AIX >Unix OS, uses the Power PC604, 604e, Power 2 , and the new 64bit RS64. >IBM's NT server family, Netfinity, use Intel chips. Well, of course, a ***OS requires that crappy processor. Yep. You're mistaken, as any PC automaton is. The Power chip was developed jointly by IBM, Moto, and Apple.

Yep. Your accomplishments are? Anyway, I'd be very careful about checking too much into people on the 'Net. Makes you a terrific candidate for suspicion of violating stalking laws. Try therapy. Really, you are a pathetic loser. Someone insults your impotent computer, not you, remember, on the internet, and you conduct a personal investigation on this person. You're mentally unstable as well as computationally unstable. How pathetic.

>computationally unstable. < excuse me for interrupting, but can I get that on a tee-shirt?

>>Your accomplishments are? >Many years ago, long before you were born, sport, I became accomplished at >recognizing the fact that few people appreciate those who bestow titles upon >themselves. Do you not realize that people find 'Esq." nauseating? >Incidentally, my dad was an assistant state Attorney General and in private >practice for over thirty years. My sister was editor of her law review, a >moot court participant, graduated third in her class, was in private >practice for ten years, and now teaches constitutional law. So I find your >"Esq." really distasteful. I agree. I think I would need to extend my pinky to reply to him :-0 What a blow hard Mr.ESQ is :-) Who the hell is he anyway? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> >computationally unstable. < > excuse me for interrupting, but can I get that on a tee-shirt? Can we get the gang on CNET to pronounce it during their next show? John -- John 'aka' Deliveryboy http://www.mindspring.com/~deliveryboy/index.htm Featuring pages for NASCAR, Mark Martin and Harry Gant

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|>But I would love to see |>empirical evidence that a MAC is a more stable platform. Where does this |>notion come from? What evidence do you have? | |You're really kidding, right? I mean, this isn't the first time you've |heard that Mac OS is more stable than Win95,98,NT, right? Tell me you |don't live in a solipsistic cave. | |<snip> |Dynamic? Verstaile? Does my insurance cover hospitalization for laughing |outbursts? You're running Windows, for Pete's sake. It's built on DOS. |That's dynamic and versatile? Your dynamism and versatility, to whatever |extent you have them, came as a result of Microsoft copying the Mac OS. |So, if your PC is "dymanic and versatile," and it is nothing more than a |pale copy of a Mac, what does this say about the Mac?

But Counselor! Windows versions 1 to 3.1, "95" (4.0) and "98" (4.1) work on top of DOS. NT does not and never did. In fact, Windows '98 is the last version that will sit on top of DOS. Windows NT is built like the proverbial "Brick Privvy". When Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) becomes the *** desktop you Mac users will say: "Why the F**k did I hop into the taxi that Buckshot is driving?!! - Them Microsoft guys never seem to crash!" And yes, NT is 4-5 times more stable than 98. And Apple stole the GUI idea from Xerox PARC. -NK Go #88,28,2,12,75,14,36,3,8,31 in 1999 BGN#11,33,3,01,14 NCTS#44,84,2,14,43 NWWS#1,3 "Any man who hates dogs and loves whiskey can't be all that bad!" - W. C. Fields

Many years ago, long before you were born, sport, I became accomplished at recognizing the fact that few people appreciate those who bestow titles upon themselves. Do you not realize that people find 'Esq." nauseating? Incidentally, my dad was an assistant state Attorney General and in private practice for over thirty years. My sister was editor of her law review, a moot court participant, graduated third in her class, was in private practice for ten years, and now teaches constitutional law. So I find your "Esq." really distasteful. I would have just shaken my head and ignored that were it not coupled with your antagonistic rantings on subjects about which you clearly know little. "Two to 3 times the speed of a Pentium"...Offer credible evidence substantiating that claim, would you? Your personality is so bizarre as to be interesting, I must confess. I had to find out about this Esquire thing. I know IU Law is proud! If you get out of school, I challenge you to bring that action. Oh, I forgot...that's not what goes on in a hamburger stand. 4 out of 5 psychiatrists agree, if you're not in therapy now, you will be.

Too funny! But,... yeah! You bet! Sweeney will be selling them for only $4.95 from his T-shirt stand as soon as he washes out of law school or gets thrown out for impersonating a lawyer. Based on the amount of time that he spends picking fights here at r.a.s, and the representations that he makes while he is here, that should be any time now. Special volume discounts will available to r.a.s. participants.

>Anyway, I'd be very careful about checking >too much into people on the 'Net. Makes you a terrific candidate for >suspicion of violating stalking laws. Why? Afraid of something? Remember, you said it...

Jack wrote btw I also want to plug my "ymenard 3:16" tee-shirt ;-) I seriously have one ! argh but sorry no picture available. Im not a wrestling fan, but somebody made me watch his tape, and hehehe I just couldn't resist making myself that T-shirt. If I ever make it to the NROS finals held in Daytona, I'll wear it. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Sarcasm ahead warp seven, please: Sweeney's a Mac devotee... who'd have every guessed? Nuff sed. the lost Earnhardt Ms.Goodwrench ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Go 3s-31-8-1-18-5-33-55-21-88-00-22-99-43-44-91-36... aw heck, anyone but Gordon, the driver formerly known as Geoff, or Robert Pressley.

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> >I will agree with you for someone who doesn't want to know anything about > >how a computer works, a MAC is a fantastic choice. > That's the point, genius. I spend all my time using my computer, not > learning how to use it. > >But I would love to see > >empirical evidence that a MAC is a more stable platform. Where does this > >notion come from? What evidence do you have? > You're really kidding, right? I mean, this isn't the first time you've > heard that Mac OS is more stable than Win95,98,NT, right? Tell me you > don't live in a solipsistic cave. > >I move to strike that comment > >from the record. Council is basing his argument on an unsubstatiated claim > >your honor... > It's counsel, not council. This isn't a meeting of tribal elders. > Anyway, there's no substantiation to your argument, so might I also motion > to the bench? > >MACs are fun little playthings that come in pretty colors. > And run twice as fast as any Pentium. I love colors, don't you, or do you > enjoy your bland conformity? > >PCs are dynamic, > >versatile machines that are the workhorses of the information age. Get your > >facts straight Esquire.... > >-/- Walk Walker > Dynamic? Verstaile? Does my insurance cover hospitalization for laughing > outbursts? You're running Windows, for Pete's sake. It's built on DOS. > That's dynamic and versatile? Your dynamism and versatility, to whatever > extent you have them, came as a result of Microsoft copying the Mac OS. > So, if your PC is "dymanic and versatile," and it is nothing more than a > pale copy of a Mac, what does this say about the Mac? > God, you PC drones never stop, do you? "Workhorse of the information age?" > God, this is funny. Macs are about 10% of the installed base yet comprise > most of the web servers and 40% of those accessing the web. > Workhorse, indeed. > Case dismissed.

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> >excuse me for interrupting, but can I get that on a tee-shirt? > Too funny! > But,... yeah! You bet! Sweeney will be selling them for only $4.95 from his > T-shirt stand as soon as he washes out of law school or gets thrown out for > impersonating a lawyer. Based on the amount of time that he spends picking > fights here at r.a.s, and the representations that he makes while he is > here, that should be any time now. > Special volume discounts will available to r.a.s. participants.

Yeah, but in the name of diversity, let's appreciate Sweeney for being the one and only prissy-***on RASN. the lost Earnhardt Ms.Goodwrench ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Go 3s-31-8-1-18-5-33-55-21-88-00-22-99-43-44-91-36... aw heck, anyone but Gordon, the driver formerly known as Geoff, or Robert Pressley.

Not any more... Microsoft, our pal, made it known this week that NT-Consumer has been delayed 2-3 YEARS, and that there will indeed be at least one, maybe two, other Win9x releases... And if NT2K Pro and Server actually ship in 1999, in a stable form, I'll eat a fully populated retail box version of it. MacOS-X is sounding better every day. -Larry > Windows '98 is the last > version that will sit on top of DOS.

Where did you hear that? Certainly not the scoop in the main press. -- Ed Coye Coye Consultants, Inc. >Not any more... >Microsoft, our pal, made it known this week that NT-Consumer has been >delayed 2-3 YEARS, and that there will indeed be at least one, maybe >two, other Win9x releases... >And if NT2K Pro and Server actually ship in 1999, in a stable form, I'll >eat a fully populated retail box version of it. >MacOS-X is sounding better every day. >-Larry >> Windows '98 is the last >> version that will sit on top of DOS.

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>Not any more... >Microsoft, our pal, made it known this week that NT-Consumer has been >delayed 2-3 YEARS, and that there will indeed be at least one, maybe >two, other Win9x releases... >And if NT2K Pro and Server actually ship in 1999, in a stable form, I'll >eat a fully populated retail box version of it.

According to an Information Week email I got JUST TODAY, there will be NO further "Win9x"-kernel based version of their consumer OS. The next VERSION (there will be 2 patches) will be Win2000 (NT) based and should follow approx. 6 months after release of Windows 2000. "Gunner"

This is true. Got the same story from Jesse Berst's Anchordesk on ZDNet. The next Win9x release will NOT be NT kernel based. :( Here's the link. http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3060.html >Where did you hear that? Certainly not the scoop in the main press. >-- >>Microsoft, our pal, made it known this week that NT-Consumer has been >>delayed 2-3 YEARS, and that there will indeed be at least one, maybe >>two, other Win9x releases...

Could be true, but, lord knows you can't believe half of what Berst has to say!

>carefully you'll see that it says to steer left and then right. You must do >it that way. If you turn it the opposite way and then calibrate, it will not >work . Trolls notwithstanding, I found that the joystick needs to be calibrated, in the game, *first*. Before that was done, I was unable to use my Y axis for acceleration, and the car had no steering. After calibration, all is OK. NR1999 is nice. Only thing I hate is missing the rebate. :( (But I only paid $30, not so bad.) I got the game (being an N1 user) on the rebate offer and because the car handling is supposedly better than N2; is that true? I do notice my car doesn't get away from me leaving the pits at C***te anymore. :) Take care, Dave [link lost in import: /~dmoisan] Invisible Disability: [link lost in import: /~dmoisan/invisible_disability.html] GE Superradio FAQ: [link lost in import: /~dmoisan/faqs/superradio/gesr_faq.html]