Who started r.a.s.

Who started this ng and when? Cheers, Paul

> Who started this ng and when? r.a.s. was started (according to him) by ymenard. Rick

rick@connect-dot-net wrote >> Who started this ng and when? >r.a.s. was started (according to him) by ymenard. OH MY... Rick I never told you this ! I never SAID a word to you... To make this official : With the help of the newsgroup proposal FTP at ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/ (here is a resume) : Group Name ---------- rec.autos.simulators Status ------ Unmoderated Rationale --------- There is an increasing amount of software on the market that provides simulation of automobiles (both in competitive and non-competitive circumstances). This software is often multi-platform and so no platform-dependent newsgroup would provide an appropriate discussion forum for it. In addition, rec.autos is an inappropriate forum as that group is not intended for discussion of software. It is intended that rec.autos.simulators would provide a forum where people could discuss such automotive simulation software irrespective of the platforms on which it runs, and that abstract technicalities of such software could also be discussed. Email I have received, plus discussions in various newsgroups (comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc, rec.autos.sport) and on the F1 Grand Prix mailing list, has made it clear that such a group would be welcomed by many usenetters. Voting ------ If all goes according to plan, voting will take place 21 days from the posting date of this RFD. This RFD is being posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newsgroups news.groups rec.autos rec.autos.driving rec.autos.sport comp.sys.amiga.misc comp.sys.atari.st comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc comp.sys.mac.misc Follow-ups directed to news.groups -- Newsgroups line: rec.autos.simulators Discussion of automotive simulators. Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 November 1993. After the CFV appears in news.announce.newgroups it will be posted by the proponent to the World Circuit, Formula 1 Grand Prix mailing list <[email hidden]>. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email hidden]. For questions about the proposed group contact Afzal Ballim <[email hidden]>. RESULT unmoderated rec.autos.simulators group vote results - 192 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 170 22 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.autos.simulators 2 invalid votes Newsgroups line: rec.autos.simulators Discussion of automotive simulators. Thus the group passes, and should be newgrouped after the five day waiting period. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email hidden]. For questions about the proposed group contact Afzal Ballim <[email hidden]>. CHARTER This newsgroup will be used for discussions of realistic computer simulations of automotive vehicles, irrespective of the platforms on which said simulations are supported. This will include simulations which have a competitive component (racing simulations) and those which do not. Topics will include (but are not restricted to): o Global characteristics of particular simulations. o Platform-dependent characteristics of such simulations (as a convention, it is suggested that such discussions list the platforms in the subject header, e.g., Subject: [ibm-pc,sun] Blog's Yugo simulator o Design and implementation issues of such simulations. o Issues of realism in automotive simulation. o General discussion of automobile simulations. Obviously, determining whether a particular simulator is "realistic" requires a judgement call. It is hoped that broad accord between posters will enable the discernment of valid simulators (for discussion in this group) from those which are devised for an entertainment value without concern for realism. Thus, discussion of many of the arcade racing simulators, which provide an overview perspective of the vehicle being simulated and which do not attempt to provide realism of handling of the vehicle, would not be appropriate in this newsgroup. On the other hand, simulators such as Microprose's Formula 1 Grand Prix would fall within the purview of this group as attempts are made to capture realistic handling of the vehicle. FAQ Outline A preliminary FAQ is in preparation for the eventuality that the group passes the vote. The current outline is included here: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS for rec.autos.simulators Written by Afzal Ballim Version: 0.0 Last Update: 26/10/1993 If you think of questions that are appropriate for this FAQ, or would like to improve an answer, please send email to [email hidden] Topics Covered: =============== Part 1: [1-0] What is the purpose of this newsgroup? [1-1] What conventions are suggested for subject headings? [1-2] How do I decide if a simulator is "realistic"? [1-3] Does discussion on arcade racing games belong here? Part 2: [2-0] What realistic racing simulators exist? [2-1] What platforms support them? [2-2] What add-ons, editors, updates, etc., exist for these simulators? [2-3] Where can I find them? Part 3: [3-0] What realistic NON-competitive simulators exists? [3-1] Where do I start if I want to build a simulator? [3-2] How do I model <X> in an automotive simulator? rec.autos.simulators group vote Final Vote Ack Yes Votes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Christian Sauve [email hidden] Afzal Ballim [email hidden] Aghanya O A [email hidden] Andreas Haleger [email hidden] Glenn Durden [email hidden] Greg Bowers [email hidden] Martin Sturgess [email hidden] Eleutherios Athanassiou [email hidden] Atul Shrivastava [email hidden] Melih Ucar [email hidden] Brian Jensen [email hidden] Bob Boulanger [email hidden] Mike Boiko, RdB Performance Group, 381-2362 [email hidden] Bill Tsang [email hidden] Michael Kelly Perdue [email hidden] [email hidden] Driving Simulator [email hidden] Ismael E. Carreras [email hidden] Javier Castello [email hidden] Naren Chauhan [email hidden] Chua Hak Lien [email hidden] Greg Cisko [email hidden] Chi Leong [email hidden] C.Coulson [email hidden] Andrew BW Colfelt [email hidden] cosc19v2 [email hidden] Kevin Parker [email hidden] Craig Heath [email hidden] [email hidden] Shane Roach [email hidden] Nicolas Gauvin [email hidden] Kjell Joenhede [email hidden] Dale Williams [email hidden] Dan Desousa [email hidden] David McCullum decvax!av8r![email hidden] Thomas Charron [email hidden] [email hidden] Luiz A. De Rose [email hidden] Louis des Tombe [email hidden] Dave Matson [email hidden] Dave Perry VE3IFB [email hidden] Ward, David edsr![email hidden] John E. Mendenhall [email hidden] Everett H Paddock [email hidden] Eduardo Martins [email hidden] Lorne Epp [email hidden] Eric Wyckoff [email hidden] Alan F. Perry [email hidden] Ed Vale [email hidden] A person of reduced seriousness... 08-Nov-1993 [email hidden] Frans Oort [email hidden] [email hidden] Gregory C Franklin [email hidden] [email hidden] Geoff Seeley [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] Michael James Dixon [email hidden] Gordon Wishon [email hidden] Hamish Jamson [email hidden] Henrikki T H{kk{nen [email hidden] Herbert Pohlai [email hidden] ... read more »

> The thing about me is a BAD joke... let's not go back there another time.. > please... I know you don't like rehashing bad mistakes. I'm just messing with you :) Rick

You mean it wasn't Kibo? >> Who started this ng and when? >r.a.s. was started (according to him) by ymenard. >Rick ____ Remove .spamstopper to reply ____

> (clip) Thanks for posting this, I haven't seen it in a long time. Very interesting. Here are some of the most recongnizable names: > Cisko Heavy poster to the group. > Matson We owe this guy a lot :) > H{kk{nen Hena and I have raced in several offline leagues, and met up online a few times. > Hruska Is this the same guy that used to run N2 on Kali? Man, you guys have been around for a while :) I didn't discover the group until late '94! And then there's this - any relation to Charlie?... > Heath This guy posted Delco Electronics - same place I work. I'll try to track him down tomorrow and see if he's still around! :) > Perdue -- ------------------------------------------------------ IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html ------------------------------------------------------

>> The thing about me is a BAD joke... let's not go back there another time.. >> please... >I know you don't like rehashing bad mistakes. I'm just messing with you >:) Speaking of bad mistakes, Rick, how's the Y2K paranoia business of late? I'm too lazy too search for it, but you predicted that by this time (a few weeks into '99), old Joe Six-pack would be up in arms over Y2K look-ahead failures. So where's the hubbub, bub? And when will you start apologizing for the off-topic panic-mongering in this newsgroup? When will you realize that the greatest Y2K damage will be the panic caused by guys like you? (Have you heard that some 5-10% of the U.S. population having been suffering anxiety/panic attacks over Y2K? Provoked by who?...) Actually, I'd be happy if you'd just cut the paranoia and post at least one useful, informative, and on-topic (ie: *not* about Y2K) message per day here until Y2K. How about that? OK, I lied, I'm not that lazy. Can't have a good weenie roast without some logs on the fire. And I found *plenty*. Here's a Rickism from 12/9/98... << We are in an *actual crisis* now. Sure we have John Koskinen giving us his happy-faced reports about how the government is on-track. Behind the scenes it's a whole different story - a story that isn't reported in mainstream media yet. Therefore the public at large will be stunned by a move such as declaring martial law right now. In less than three weeks, that will all change as millions of systems, public and private, begin failing due to "look ahead" glitches. This will be happening on such a large scale that entities won't be able to hide it. This January will be a time of reckoning for Joe Six-pack who has kept his head deeply buried in the sand on this issue. It will trigger banks runs and a panic buying frenzy of biblical proportions. Or how about this gem from 12/26/98... << And to my adversaries who have attacked my position with vigor: I will have out-lived my usefulness in 5 days. On January 1, 1999, you won't need the "crazy moron" in r.a.s. telling you that you'll be cooking acorn stew in your front yard just to survive. Only the intentionally ignorant won't see the parallel between the moronic timing and laughable readiness of international banking institutions to 'switch' to the Euro dollar, and Y2K. Both have immovable, legislated deadlines that will be missed. ... Oh, did I mention the "look ahead" Y2K failures of un-remediated systems that we will see beginning if just five days? Well, that's another story, LOL. I guess I can't complain too much, you were somewhat accurate about "out-living your usefulness" by Jan. 1, if not sooner. :) Or this final 1998 send-off (12/31/98)... << > Now just so we have this absolutely straight. Is that a prediction for > which we can ruthlessly lambast you after the event when you are yet again > proved to be wrong? You won't have to wait that long for the opportunity. By January 25, 1999, you will be slamming me ruthlessly _or_ spending every waking moment in a panicked frenzy standing in lines to gather rationed supplies for preparation. <g> "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

>>> The thing about me is a BAD joke... let's not go back there another time.. >>> please... >>I know you don't like rehashing bad mistakes. I'm just messing with you > :) Hehehe ;-) Sweet revenge from the Star Trek/Star Wars thread on T.g.s.n. ;-D Hehehe another time ;-) -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

<a bunch of quotes form someone> Jeff, I can't fathom a wild guess what the hell you are talking about. Did you wake up from a bad dream, or what? Rick

> <a bunch of quotes form someone> > Jeff, I can't fathom a wild guess what the hell you are talking about. > Did you wake up from a bad dream, or what? > Rick Rick, I think our friend was just using some of YOUR own personal quotes to illustrates his point of vue. I remember reading some of that stuff too, so he didn't make anything up. Maybe your just suffering from Alzhaimer's... Philster

> Rick, I think our friend was just using some of YOUR own personal quotes > to illustrates his point of vue. I remember reading some of that stuff > too, so he didn't make anything up. Maybe your just suffering from > Alzhaimer's... > Philster Hi Philster! It's my understanding that the first thing to wane as a direct result of 'Alshaimer's' [sic] is one's own literacy. You have to admit I had you guys going there for a while. <g> Rick

<snip> LOL...Nope, ya didn't fool me for one second. But if all that meaningless dribble and waste of bandwidth in the countless Y2K posts you've sent was just light-hearted banter, then you really are one sick puppy !

> LOL...Nope, ya didn't fool me for one second. But if all that meaningless > dribble and waste of bandwidth in the countless Y2K posts you've sent was > just light-hearted banter, then you really are one sick puppy ! With 50+ r.a.s. posters saying Y2K will just be "a bump in the road", I must have overreacted somewhat. After all, that many people CAN'T be wrong. My life is in your hands, guys. Lock and load. Rick