Cart Papyrus rendition!

Does someone know if there is an update coming for former Icr2 now Cart rendition to play it in Windows9x, directx support, rendition, Force feed back. tra la la it would be a good idea to do it Andre

No, CART is stone cold done, finished, any add-ons, or enhancements will only come from private 3rd party folks. Papyrus did secure the rights for CART for 1999 and beyond, there is talk of taking the GPL engine and creating a CART sim from that. However, any work on CART3(or whatever they call it will be well after they get Nascar Racing 3 finished. and since the parent companies of Papyrus are in some legal finacial problems, any project scheduled for next year may get put off indeffinately. dave henrie

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>Does someone know if there is an update coming for former Icr2 now Cart >rendition to play it in Windows9x, directx support, rendition, Force feed >back. tra la la >it would be a good idea to do it >Andre

I wish Nascar3 would become stone dead and in its place ICR3. Attention to a Indycar or Champcar update is long overdue, its about time Papy/Sierra pause from the Nascar money making FAD and stop neglecting its IndyCar\ChampCar fans that have been also buying the Nascar and Gpl sims with hopes for another release of IndyCar\Cart. Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! Tim

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> Papyrus did secure the rights for CART for 1999 and beyond, there is talk > of taking the GPL engine and creating a CART sim from that. However, > any work on CART3(or whatever they call it will be well after they get > Nascar Racing 3 finished. and since the parent companies of Papyrus are in > some legal finacial problems, any project scheduled for next year may get > put off indeffinately. > dave henrie

Can I ask you to elaborate on these troubles? I hadn't heard anything on this. And I was hoping to get CART3 before Christmas 1999 - damn!! Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are - Calvin and Hobbes Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

> ...Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! ...and eight IndyCar releases: 1) Indianapolis 500 2) IndyCar Racing 3) ICR Track Pack 4) ICR Indianapolis add-on and paintkit 5) IndyCar Racing 2 6) ICR2 for Win95 (Mac version included) 7) ICR2-3D 8) CART Racing -- Marc J. Nelson SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com/ * Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

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> > ...Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! > ...and eight IndyCar releases: > 1) Indianapolis 500 > 2) IndyCar Racing > 3) ICR Track Pack > 4) ICR Indianapolis add-on and paintkit > 5) IndyCar Racing 2 > 6) ICR2 for Win95 (Mac version included) > 7) ICR2-3D > 8) CART Racing

Hmm, counting the exact same product that has just another name slapped on as a seperate release? l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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>> > ...Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! >> ...and eight IndyCar releases: >> 1) Indianapolis 500 >> 2) IndyCar Racing >> 3) ICR Track Pack >> 4) ICR Indianapolis add-on and paintkit >> 5) IndyCar Racing 2 >> 6) ICR2 for Win95 (Mac version included) >> 7) ICR2-3D >> 8) CART Racing >Hmm, counting the exact same product that has just another name >slapped on as a seperate release?

Not really. Each step had something added, either add-ons to the main program (3,4), or versions for different hardware/OS (6,7), or the "Winning" handbook (8). BTW, I bought all but #6. :) I came up with about five NASCAR releases (by the same rules): 1) NASCAR Racing 2) N1 Track Pack 3) NASCAR Racing 2 4) N2 Grand National Pack 5) NASCAR Racing 1999 If was squeezing for more releases, I might include: 2b) NASCAR1 w/track pack included (which would allow me to add above - 4b) ICR1 w/tracks & paintkit) 4b) NASCAR 50th Anniversary but these are only the same product bundled in new boxes with no new content if I'm not mistaken. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't purchase them, but have purchased #1-4. Still haven't worn out GPL enough to have time or interest for #5. :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

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> I came up with about five NASCAR releases (by the same rules): >1) NASCAR Racing >2) N1 Track Pack >3) NASCAR Racing 2 >4) N2 Grand National Pack >5) NASCAR Racing 1999 > If was squeezing for more releases, I might include: >2b) NASCAR1 w/track pack included > (which would allow me to add above - 4b) ICR1 w/tracks & paintkit) >4b) NASCAR 50th Anniversary >but these are only the same product bundled in new boxes with no new >content if I'm not mistaken. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't >purchase them, but have purchased #1-4. Still haven't worn out GPL >enough to have time or interest for #5. :)

I bought all but #4 and #2b; including 4b. 4B actually fixed one VERY important thing (it allows 64 tracks in your track directory); and I don't know what else... That 32-track limit was beginning to encroach those of us with tracks that are converted or downloaded! I bought Nas50th for the BGN and sold my N2 to recoup some of the cost. Net: $17. I'll be first in line for N3, too... With all the patches I've found on the 'net lately they're ALL like new games. The 3DFX patch, TPCC, CTS, IROC, GT40, tracks, et al. ad nauseum... Late Apex Racing has the most extensive N1 archive I've seen!! Didn't know you could do all the things they're doing there!! (okay, the graphics are dated, but my 7yo son LOVES driving around) After all that raving my point was: 4B really IS as seperate a product as the ICR versions were. Don Hancock "Gunner"

Sierra bought up Papyrus and then got swallowed themselves by Cendant. A company that was cooking it's books to hide massive fiscal hemoraging. Cendant has worked a deal with an even bigger financial company but several properties including Blizzard, Sierra etc may be for sale. So when you have a situation where your not sure where your companies next paycheck is comming from, you may be kind of hesitant to commit full scale to a project that is at best another year away. I think the 100% rebate offer your seeing for the newer Sierra Sports titles is an offshoot of the problems. I beleive they are trying to show potential buyers the big sales for it's products and hoping they new people don't see the huge payouts that match those sales. dave henrie >> Papyrus did secure the rights for CART for 1999 and beyond, there is talk >> of taking the GPL engine and creating a CART sim from that. However, >> any work on CART3(or whatever they call it will be well after they get >> Nascar Racing 3 finished. and since the parent companies of Papyrus are in

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>> some legal finacial problems, any project scheduled for next year may get >> put off indeffinately. >> dave henrie >Can I ask you to elaborate on these troubles? I hadn't heard anything on >this. And I was hoping to get CART3 before Christmas 1999 - damn!! > Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are > - Calvin and Hobbes > Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

Dave Henrie wrote Cendant sold (or will announce, not sure) their software division about 1month and a half ago to a French company named Havas. I have no idea of what will be affected at Sierra, but it's still the people at the top of the pyramid that have changed. It can affect every branch of it down under. Let's hope to the better. Somehow we come back to probably the OLDEST Papyrus thread.. that goes on for years and years... ;-) . What is the future ? What about the rumors of the big heads at Papy quitting and forming a new racing company ? What are the future products after Nascar Racing 3 (especially this question, I mean if the targeted date is still Q2 of 99, what will happen after?) What's going on with NR3 ? Any news on a future CART title or a sequel/expansion pack to GPL ? What will happen with the NROS and N3 ? Will Sierra and Papy let TEN buy a license ? So many question, not enough time ;) I mean, we would like to be informed just "-" <--- this. Just a tiny little info. Nothing more. I hate to rely to unofficial and "secret" news and tidbits. A little bit of Public relations wouldn't hurt. Im sure a *** website or *** magazine would be VERY pleased to buy an article. We also need to remember that the Papyrus Design group (or is it Sierra) has a CART license until the year 2001, so let's not start to panic... 2001 I could have fun spreading false rumors, so that somehow they would need to reply with the official answers (joke ;-D ). Ugh sometimes it's difficult to be part of the Papy fan club ;-) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide <NAS-Frank> http://www.nros.com/ - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Papyrus/Sierra's parent company, Cendant, was in some financial trouble earlier this year due to some type of fraud by upper-level management. I know that Sierra was on the market to be sold, and I do believe that they were bought, but don't know by who. During this process, finances at the company were very tight, forcing Papyrus to reorganize and lay off quite a few employees. Other key employees bailed out before the ship sank. As a result, a lot of the art work and other jobs are being outsourced to other companies, including one company in Russia.

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>Can I ask you to elaborate on these troubles? I hadn't heard anything on >this. And I was hoping to get CART3 before Christmas 1999 - damn!! > Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are > - Calvin and Hobbes > Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

...and why not? The gentleman mentioned 4-NASCAR releases...You and I know there are only two sims in question: N1 and N2. As for CR titles, there are three: I500, ICR and ICR2. With the release of GPL, the open wheel products outnumber the fender-bender ones by 2-to-1. Cheers! Marc

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> Hmm, counting the exact same product that has just another name > slapped on as a seperate release? > l8er > ronny > -- > How to get rid of censorship in German game releases > <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

-- Marc J. Nelson SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com/ * Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

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>> ...Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! >...and eight IndyCar releases: >1) Indianapolis 500 >2) IndyCar Racing >3) ICR Track Pack >4) ICR Indianapolis add-on and paintkit >5) IndyCar Racing 2 >6) ICR2 for Win95 (Mac version included) >7) ICR2-3D >8) CART Racing

Hmmm ... let's see ... 1) Nascar Racing 2) Nascar Racing - Matrox edition 3) Nascar Racing Track Pack 4) Nascar Racing 2 5) BGN Track Pack 6) Nascar Racing - 3Dfx 7) Nascar Racing 50y Edition 8) Nascar 99 ... not counting Rendition version as a separate product ... It's time for a ChampCar release, IMO! Hena

>6) Nascar Racing - 3Dfx >... not counting Rendition version as a separate product ... >It's time for a ChampCar release, IMO! If you counted the Matrox edition as a seperate product, why not the Rendition? Actually the Matrox, 3Dfx and Rendition versions are more "patches" than "releases." They never tried to get any EXTRA money for them (the 3Dfx patch is GREAT to me!), so IMO they don't qualify as releases. "Gunner"

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> >> ...Wake Up Papy !!!!!!!!!! Four Nascar releases!!!!!!!!!! > >...and eight IndyCar releases: > >1) Indianapolis 500 > >2) IndyCar Racing > >3) ICR Track Pack > >4) ICR Indianapolis add-on and paintkit > >5) IndyCar Racing 2 > >6) ICR2 for Win95 (Mac version included) > >7) ICR2-3D > >8) CART Racing > Hmmm ... let's see ... > 1) Nascar Racing > 2) Nascar Racing - Matrox edition > 3) Nascar Racing Track Pack > 4) Nascar Racing 2 > 5) BGN Track Pack > 6) Nascar Racing - 3Dfx > 7) Nascar Racing 50y Edition > 8) Nascar 99 > ... not counting Rendition version as a separate product ... > It's time for a ChampCar release, IMO! > Hena

Absolutely! Besides, real race cars don't have doors. :-) Marty

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>>6) Nascar Racing - 3Dfx >>... not counting Rendition version as a separate product ... >>It's time for a ChampCar release, IMO! > If you counted the Matrox edition as a seperate product, why not the >Rendition? Actually the Matrox, 3Dfx and Rendition versions are more >"patches" than "releases." They never tried to get any EXTRA money for

them >(the 3Dfx patch is GREAT to me!), so IMO they don't qualify as releases. What do you call ICR2-3D then? It was part of a game bundle with a video card, and the 3D patch was made available later .. So was the Win95 version of ICR2, a downloadable patch. I was trying to be sarcastic about Marc's listing ... Guess I failed miserably :-) Hena

What I listed were commercially available "boxed" versions of the software. Listing ALL the different versions of ICR2 is simply a waste of bandwidth. ;) <~~~~~[sarcastic grin]

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> Hmmm ... let's see ... > 1) Nascar Racing > 2) Nascar Racing - Matrox edition > 3) Nascar Racing Track Pack > 4) Nascar Racing 2 > 5) BGN Track Pack > 6) Nascar Racing - 3Dfx > 7) Nascar Racing 50y Edition > 8) Nascar 99 > ... not counting Rendition version as a separate product ... > It's time for a ChampCar release, IMO!

Oh yes! After the major-let-down of CPR, I too am ready to have Papy show everyone how it's done...again! BTW, you forgot to list N1 with the track pack included. Hmmm...How many coffee coaster CD Roms are about...?<g> -- Marc J. Nelson SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com/ * Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

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> Dave Henrie wrote >> Sierra bought up Papyrus and then got swallowed themselves by Cendant. A >> company that was cooking it's books to hide massive fiscal hemoraging. >> Cendant has worked a deal with an even bigger financial company but several >> properties including Blizzard, Sierra etc may be for sale. > Cendant sold (or will announce, not sure) their software division about > 1month and a half ago to a French company named Havas. I have no idea of > what will be affected at Sierra, but it's still the people at the top of the > pyramid that have changed. It can affect every branch of it down under. > Let's hope to the better. > Somehow we come back to probably the OLDEST Papyrus thread.. that goes on > for years and years... ;-) . What is the future ? What about the rumors > of the big heads at Papy quitting and forming a new racing company ? What > are the future products after Nascar Racing 3 (especially this question, I > mean if the targeted date is still Q2 of 99, what will happen after?) What's > going on with NR3 ? Any news on a future CART title or a sequel/expansion > pack to GPL ? What will happen with the NROS and N3 ? Will Sierra and Papy > let TEN buy a license ? > So many question, not enough time ;) > I mean, we would like to be informed just "-" <--- this. Just a tiny > little info. Nothing more. I hate to rely to unofficial and "secret" news > and tidbits. A little bit of Public relations wouldn't hurt. Im sure a > *** website or *** magazine would be VERY pleased to buy an article. > We also need to remember that the Papyrus Design group (or is it Sierra) has > a CART license until the year 2001, so let's not start to panic... 2001

First, thanks to you two taking the time and replying - much appreciated. Second - what are the chances of a reply? Papyrus used to occasionally drop a note or two here, but I haven't seen anything from them since the N1999, N3 clarification some months ago. Oh well. At least CART still works. :) Thanks again. Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are - Calvin and Hobbes Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

How comce Sierra/Papy never released any add-on stuff for ICR2 like they have done with most of the other sims? Just wondering cause I'm desperate for new ICR2 stuff.

Several Reasons, The Nascar License brings in more $$ The Nascar Online Series consumed mucho develpment time Microsoft got the CART license for a time 4 key programmer/development guys left Papyrus After ICR2 was completed. there are plenty of private contributions to ICR2. check out the Sim Project for GTP bodies, enclosed***pits etc. dave henrie >How comce Sierra/Papy never released any add-on stuff for ICR2 like they have >done with most of the other sims? Just wondering cause I'm desperate for new >ICR2 stuff.