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Rick's posts have been going on for far too long. Everyone knows by now that there may be some problems to deal with at the turn, but frankly, he needs to talk about sim stuff, or shut up. Please stop responding to his posts unless it is sim-related, and useful. Maybe he will get bored with it if we don't feed his fire.

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> Rick's posts have been going on for far too long. Everyone knows by now > that there may be some problems to deal with at the turn, but frankly, he > needs to talk about sim stuff, or shut up. If it were not a life or death matter I would agree with you about the belaboring part. However, I have talked about sim stuff directly as well as indirectly. Your opinion may differ on that. It amazes me how so many people have indulged in this important discussion to the point of furthering it. Then, those _same_ people cry foul once they reach the point of realizing they don't know as much about this topic as they _thought_ they did. In other words, as long as a subscriber feels he/she is an 'expert' on the subject matter at hand, then it's fair game regardless of topic. Admittedly, the same applies to me. Rick

No, it's that we're bored with it now. We all realize the importance, and it does us no good to keep talking about it on this NG.

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>> Rick's posts have been going on for far too long. Everyone knows by now >> that there may be some problems to deal with at the turn, but frankly, he >> needs to talk about sim stuff, or shut up. >If it were not a life or death matter I would agree with you about the >belaboring part. However, I have talked about sim stuff directly as >well as indirectly. Your opinion may differ on that. >It amazes me how so many people have indulged in this important >discussion to the point of furthering it. Then, those _same_ people cry >foul once they reach the point of realizing they don't know as much >about this topic as they _thought_ they did. >In other words, as long as a subscriber feels he/she is an 'expert' on >the subject matter at hand, then it's fair game regardless of topic. >Admittedly, the same applies to me. >Rick

Ok, Noah. We've heard your "forecast" and we appreciate your concern for our welfare. Consider this "village" properly notified!! Go ahead and build your "ark" but don't expect everyone to join you onboard (only Noah's immediate family were saved from the flood -- 8 in all). If it's the Lord's will that I die - I die!! If you're correct in your "prophecy" then I could possible die from starvation. On the other hand if I take you at your word I could die from some kind of poison I ingest from eating all those cans of tuna!! <G> Either way, don't deceive yourself into thinking the fate of mankind is your responsibility!! John Parker

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>It amazes me how so many people have indulged in this important >discussion to the point of furthering it. Then, those _same_ people cry >foul once they reach the point of realizing they don't know as much >about this topic as they _thought_ they did. >In other words, as long as a subscriber feels he/she is an 'expert' on >the subject matter at hand, then it's fair game regardless of topic. >Admittedly, the same applies to me. >Rick

> Ok, Noah. We've heard your "forecast" and we appreciate your concern for > our welfare. Consider this "village" properly notified!! Go ahead and > build your "ark" but don't expect everyone to join you onboard (only Noah's > immediate family were saved from the flood -- 8 in all). Yep, the human psych hasn't changed much in a couple of thousand years, eh? BTW, my name isn't Noah. God helps those who help themselves you clueless dolt. You expect a free ride from God and you WONT get it. Once TSHTF you will go door-to-door BEGGING for food. You WILL kill for food to save your kids because feeding you and your family is "someone else's responsibility". If you don't prepare you will DESERVE the pain and agony of death by starvation or festering bullet wound trying to prevent starvation. If you don't live in a populated area, you may get to become a sharecropper. Good luck. Rick

It appears Rick replied to my response. For whatever reason, I his reply didn't show up on my end. If someone could copy/paste Rick's entire post (or email it to me) I would greatly appreciate it. BTW, David, your scripture reference is the same one that has come to my mind many times with all of this why-too-kaye hype going on. Thanks for posting that!! jp John Parker Route 66 Racing (R66R) Team "JP-Bogart" on TEN/Nascar Racing Online Series Sponsored by: Digital Edge (Indy/F1 SIM) Racing Wheels Digital Edge Web Site: http://www.indysim.com/ >>> If it's the Lord's will that I die - I die!! If you're correct in your >>> "prophecy" then I could possible die from starvation. On the other hand if >>> I take you at your word I could die from some kind of poison I ingest from

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>>> eating all those cans of tuna!! <G> Either way, don't deceive yourself >>> into thinking the fate of mankind is your responsibility!! >>God helps those who help themselves you clueless dolt. You expect a >>free ride from God and you WONT get it. Once TSHTF you will go >>door-to-door BEGGING for food. You WILL kill for food to save your kids >>because feeding you and your family is "someone else's responsibility". >>If you don't prepare you will DESERVE the pain and agony of death by >>starvation or festering bullet wound trying to prevent starvation.

<snipped misapplied biblical reference concerning how we shouldn't worry about tomorrow> God tells us not to worry. Preparation is an appropriate productive response, whereas the former is not: "A prudent man sees trouble and prepares himself; the simpleton ignores and pays the penalty" -Proverbs 22:3 "In times of tribulation, flee to the mountains" -Mathews chapter 24 Does this mean you don't purchase any car, home, health, life or auto insurance and therefore "let God take care of the calamity"? Y2K preparation is prudent insurance. Unfortunately, most people will discover this fact one day too late. They will be mourned. Rick

> BTW, David, your scripture reference is the same one that has come to my > mind many times with all of this why-too-kaye hype going on. That's trying to take the easy way out. Why bother going to work to put food on the table if your faith in God will magically feed you without him first giving you a seed to sow? You must first try to help yourself as a condition for receiving the blessing of God. It would be different if we were talking about an unsurvivable catastrophe looming on the horizon One in which you have absolutely no control over your destiny. Total infrastructure collapse is wholly survivable with a minimum of preparations. Post-information age life will not be effortless as it is today. It will mean hard work for everyone indeed. It will mean the END of the welfare state. Without modern health care, the elderly and sick will undoubtedly struggle at best. Expect to die young. God didn't hand out an easy life to our ancestors so why do *we* deserve it now? With the help of modern technology, we've exploited our natural resources to the point of perversity. Instead of one farmer feeding 8 people (1950's), we now have that same farmer's labor feeding 212 people, with the balance of 204 extra people moved off the farm and into cities to open gay bars and install silicon implants. People have distanced themselves from God. Only a spoiled, lazy weakling would rather give up and die than revert back to the 1850's lifestyle. God will help you thrive living 1850's style. But he will not give it to you as you expect. It is suicide to ignore your responsibility of making meaningful preparations. Suicide is the most unforgivable sin. Rick BTW John if Y2K is a bunch of hype, then you should have no problem debunking it, hmmmmmm?

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><snipped misapplied biblical reference concerning how we shouldn't worry >about tomorrow> >God tells us not to worry. Preparation is an appropriate productive >response, whereas the former is not: >"A prudent man sees trouble and prepares himself; the simpleton ignores >and pays the penalty" >-Proverbs 22:3

Did he leave any texts with respect to the version of BIOS that I should upgrade to on an Asis mbd so that I don't spend the better half of 2000 writing, 'Boy am I a sucker!' with my charcoaled butt? P.S - Lunatic.

> <major snippage> >BTW John if Y2K is a bunch of hype, then you should have no problem >debunking it, hmmmmmm? Rick, first of all, I want you to know I am NOT against you. You are not my enemy! Next, though I'm sure I won't go to the level that you are in your preparedness, I DO have a Y2K "strategy" so to speak. I've already made provision to buy a generator (which is a good item to have even if Y2K isn't the catastrophe that you believe) and have access to some farmer's gas tanks. Living in rural America, and growing up in the woods, I have no problem with providing for my family via "1850's style" if that is deemed necessary. I've also planned to have a certain amount of cash-on-hand. Not tens of thousands of dollars, but an amount that is substantial (at least for what I have available <g>). I am a pastor, and although I don't claim exclusive rights to hearing God, I do know how to discern his voice, and at this time I have not had any type of "prophetic exhortation". I realize that doesn't mean Y2K is necessarily "hype", but I do have to trust in God (and his people) to meet my needs EVERY day as it is. I don't "go to work" to put food on the table - I trust in God as my SOLE provider - and He hasn't failed me yet!!! You have mentioned before that you are only trying to make people aware of the upcoming disaster. Well, if you truly feel "commissioned" from God to do this, then shouldn't you go about it from a Biblical perspective? Your attitude, imo, should be one of humility and gentleness, but yes, not without urgency. Fact is, people are literally DYING every single day, but I don't go into every NG and SCREAM "Turn or Burn"! Why not, you may ask? With all of the current downfalls of the Church (fallen TV Evanglists and Pastors, misappropriated church funds, etc,etc) most of America is TURNED OFF by "the religious" (which, when you realize the true definition of "religious" I admittedly am NOT). Instead, people have to learn to trust you in the fact that you are GENUINELY concerned about their welfare. IMO, your "scare" tactics don't do this! I could go on and on, but I'll not do this on this forum. If you would like to take this to email, I would gladly correspond with you! John Parker

>It will mean the END of the welfare state. Ah, I see that is your Holy Grail in all this. No doubt one of the pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. Dude, you are quite simply an idiot. You're doing a fine job of that yourself. Only a madman would listen to you. Joe

Please take this conversation elsewhere.

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>>"A prudent man sees trouble and prepares himself; the simpleton ignores >>and pays the penalty" >>-Proverbs 22:3 >Perhaps I am a simpleton then. >>> My obedience and love of God relieves me from the fear of tomorrow,

today I >>> seek his kingdom and righteousness, I won't let tomorrow distract me from the >>> task at hand. So you see the Y2K dilemma is not a concern. >>Does this mean you don't purchase any car, home, health, life or auto >>insurance and therefore "let God take care of the calamity"? >I have insurance, not for fear of needing it but because generally speaking I >think its a good idea for all. When a claim is made the proceeds from policy >holders are use to pay that claim. In effect we all share the burdens. >However that's not really the issue. So far you have told us that Y2K will lead >to martial law, conscription of programmers, loss of power, a shortage of food >and great fear and panic that will cause people to kill others to obtain food. >This is based on information currently available about problems solving the Y2K >bugs of which is not under question (by me anyway) >It is understandable that you wish to prevent others from this danger. However >warning us by stating that God won't help us for free and that if we don't >prepare we deserve to die seems a bit aggressive from someone who wishes us to >avoid the Y2K dilemma. >I have no idea how many tomorrows I have, maybe not even enough to witness Y2K, >maybe I'll live to 2050 who knows. Rick I'm trying to point out that some people >have a philosophy that if they live today by God's will, and have faith in the >Lord he will not let them down in a future time of need. And also that the >following of God's will is of greater importance than worrying about the Y2K. >To help illustrate how someone can have a fanciful belief and trust in the lord, >you only need to look at countless survival stories. In some cases spirtiual >preperation can be better than physical preperation. >What would you do if someone robbed you of your supplies? >David

> >It will mean the END of the welfare state. > Ah, I see that is your Holy Grail in all this. No doubt one of the > pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. Welfare is unconstitutional. Even our own government agrees. That is why it was abolished. You would commit suicide if you couldn't talk on that cell phone while eating pizza? Forget me, I present the facts. Only the naive would take *my* word for it, regardless. Yours in preparation, Rick

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> > <major snippage> > >BTW John if Y2K is a bunch of hype, then you should have no problem > >debunking it, hmmmmmm? > Rick, first of all, I want you to know I am NOT against you. You are not my > enemy! > Next, though I'm sure I won't go to the level that you are in your > preparedness, I DO have a Y2K "strategy" so to speak. I've already made > provision to buy a generator (which is a good item to have even if Y2K isn't > the catastrophe that you believe) and have access to some farmer's gas > tanks. Living in rural America, and growing up in the woods, I have no > problem with providing for my family via "1850's style" if that is deemed > necessary. I've also planned to have a certain amount of cash-on-hand. Not > tens of thousands of dollars, but an amount that is substantial (at least > for what I have available <g>).

I wouldn't call you a denialist then. You must admit, many folks would call you crazy upon hearing of your preparations. I never claimed that. I will try to leave religion out of it in the future. With a train coming, there is no time for diplomacy. There is barely enough time to perform a heaving body-roll into a blind sheep standing on the track. I agree that approaching the issue in the religious context is futile. It brings about more personal attacks and hinders real awareness. But you must realize that being scared is what denial protects us from. Fear triggers action. The facts ARE truly scarry - that's why denialist can't be honest with themselves. No person I know began preparing without some level of fear to begin with. Rick

> What would you do if someone robbed you of your supplies? That wouldn't be very nice. Rick

I agree , this is getting really boring now -- Ian Parker ICQ# 21772592 >Please take this conversation elsewhere.

>> Ah, I see that is your Holy Grail in all this. No doubt one of the >> pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. >Welfare is unconstitutional. I was right. You ARE one of those pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. No they don't. Not it wasn't. Joe

> >> Ah, I see that is your Holy Grail in all this. No doubt one of the > >> pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. > >Welfare is unconstitutional. > I was right. You ARE one of those pro-anarchy libertarian nutcases. Hehe, I don't often wish bad luck to people, but I wouldn't mind him running into a real anarchist having a bad mood. You know, those muscle packed 2m guys... ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!