NR2003: Easing pull to the left

Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? I have a good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in the corners trying to keep it smooth. TIA, Nick

"Nick" wrote.. > Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? > I have a good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing > speed in the corners trying to keep it smooth. If you don't want a "pull to the left" you need to make your setups symmetrical, with even chassis settings and weight distribution settings left to right. Anything that will be fast on an anti-clockwise run oval, however, will have a tendency to turn left of its own accord. Using a correctly set up force feedback wheel will counter, to a large extent, the feel of a "left pull", but you will still have to steer it to the right to go straight regardless. There is no way around that except physically re-aligning your wheel per track. Why an option to re-center the steering for non-FF wheels wasn't included in the game for non-FF users is anyone's guess. Perhaps it's a hint. Jan. =---

Try changing the camber on the left front tire. On a real car that will reduce pull but it will increase tire wear. locker Nick wrote:

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> Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? I > have a good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in > the corners trying to keep it smooth. > > TIA, > > Nick

It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster angle and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length. If you don't want the car to pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:401eef36$0$70303$[email hidden]...

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> Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? I have a > good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in the corners > trying to keep it smooth. > > TIA, > > Nick > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster angle > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length. If you don't want the car to > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical. Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since N4 was released. My stock answer for these types of quesions is.... If you don't want the pull, then buy N3. :) I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)

Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%. It will also make it less sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting. Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster. Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but it's going to kill your lap times. -Larry "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:401eef36$0$70303$[email hidden]...

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> Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? I have a > good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in the corners > trying to keep it smooth. > > TIA, > > Nick > >

Here we go again :) That is all well and good dave, but not everyone's wheel is the same. For example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200x because of it's strong centering spring and center detent. Ditto for a FF wheel that has FF turned off and the phony centering spring engaged (which you can't control in NR2003). These are just two examples of why Papy should have listened to people like the Nascar Heat folks did. -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> > > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the casterangle > > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length. If you don't want thecar to

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> > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical. > > Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since > N4 was released. My stock answer for these types of > quesions is.... > If you don't want the pull, then buy N3. :) > I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at > smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should > be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)

Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazed at the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:buQTb.20251$fZ6.3534@lakeread06...

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> Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%. It will also make it less > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting. > > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster. > > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but it's > going to kill your lap times. > > -Larry >

I re-read this Larry and its sounds kinda like Im pointing a finger at you. Im not, just a blanket statement is all. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETQTb.19531$[email hidden]... > Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) > > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazedat

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> the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:buQTb.20251$fZ6.3534@lakeread06... > > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%. It will also make it

less > > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting. > > > > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster. > > > > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, butit's

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> > going to kill your lap times. > > > > -Larry > > > > >

"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:401eef36$0$70303$[email hidden]...

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> Whats the best way in the garage to ease the pull to the left? I have a > good Daytona qual setup speed wise, but I'm losing speed in the corners > trying to keep it smooth. > > TIA, > > Nick > >

Steering linearity. Crank it up, pull goes away without taking out the setup pieces that cause it, which are necessary components to a good setup typically, for ovals anyway. You WANT the car to try and turn left for you, the linearity from install is like 20%, good for keyboarders mainly if I had to guess. If you have a decent wheel, crank it up to 100% and back it off a point or two at the time until the car is running true for you and isn't too twitchy.

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:14:46 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > For >example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200x because >of it's strong centering spring and center detent. Works fine for me. I've never had a problem with car stability on ovals in N4/N2002/N2003 (granted I've run ovals maybe 4 times since N2003 came out). Jason

For N2003, I use the original (black) Logi MOMO FF w. TSW pedals. For GPL, I've been using a roller-bearing Logi WMFF w. ECCI Trackstar 3000 pedals, but I'm thinking of going back to my (non-FF) ECCI wheel & pedals. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> > > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the casterangle > > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length. If you don't want thecar to

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> > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical. > > Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since > N4 was released. My stock answer for these types of > quesions is.... > If you don't want the pull, then buy N3. :) > I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at > smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should > be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?)

Papy has consistently produced the best FF (and replay) s/w of any developer. If I wuz them, I'd be licensing these puppies. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fxQTb.20252$fZ6.6215@lakeread06... > Here we go again :) > > That is all well and good dave, but not everyone's wheel is the same. For > example, the MS SideWinder Non-FF is absolutely MISERABLE in NR200xbecause > of it's strong centering spring and center detent. Ditto for a FF wheel > that has FF turned off and the phony centering spring engaged (which you > can't control in NR2003). > > These are just two examples of why Papy should have listened to peoplelike

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> the Nascar Heat folks did. > > -Larry > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> > > > It's neither the overall setup nor the camber, it's mostly the caster > angle > > > and--to a lesser degree--the track-bar length. If you don't want the > car to > > > pull in one direction or t'other, these should be symmetrical. > > > > Larry and I used to go round and round on this, ever since > > N4 was released. My stock answer for these types of > > quesions is.... > > If you don't want the pull, then buy N3. :) > > I know this doesn't apply to your situation, you are looking at > > smoothing your steering, so I guess the next question should > > be, what kind of wheel/pedal set do you have? (Force feedback?) > >

Watch that high-horse there, Mitch. It may poop on yer head :) My suggestion to use Steering Assistance was to overcome a CONTROLLER issue, not make the game any easier or harder. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETQTb.19531$[email hidden]... > Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) > > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazedat

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> the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:buQTb.20251$fZ6.3534@lakeread06... > > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%. It will also make it

less > > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting. > > > > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster. > > > > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, butit's > > going to kill your lap times. > > > > -Larry > > > >

Ok, you can duck from the horse poop then :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7ZQTb.19534$[email hidden]... > I re-read this Larry and its sounds kinda like Im pointing a finger atyou.

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> Im not, just a blanket statement is all. > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ETQTb.19531$[email hidden]... > > Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) > > > > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed > > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazed > at > > the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) > > > > Mitch > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:buQTb.20251$fZ6.3534@lakeread06... > > > Turn on Steering Assistance to no more than 5%. It will also make it > less > > > sensitive on-center without having to mess with the linear setting. > > > > > > Do not go above 5% or your tires will wear faster. > > > > > > Other than that, you can do it by making a more symetrical setup, but > it's > > > going to kill your lap times. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8EaUb.22846$[email hidden]... > Papy has consistently produced the best FF (and replay) s/w of any > developer. If I wuz them, I'd be licensing these puppies. > Ill give ya Papy's replays are the best but Papy FF IMO is terrible. At least on a Momo force and Momo Racing ISI has much better FF. I nearly have to turn off most FF effects to get smooth motion without notchiness or oscillations in NR2003. I use Sphanky's Momo setup guide as a basis for my rig and have experimented from one extreme to the other but keep ending up with most FF effects off or way down. Not arguing just disagreeing :)

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETQTb.19531$[email hidden]...

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> Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) > > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazed at > the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) > > Mitch > >

Get over it !!!!! And worry about improving YOUR OWN sim driving skills.

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETQTb.19531$[email hidden]... > Steering assistance too? Whats next? XBox or Playstation :) > > Seriously, Im still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed > "sim-racers" use aids and drive outside of the cockpit. I'm also amazedat > the littany of excuses as to why guys use the cheats :) Seriously, I'm still amazed to this day how many of you self proclaimed "hard-core racers" actually worry about those that DO NOT take the game (yes, it is GAME!) seriously! Besides, I thought Papy "fixed" your little whine by putting in a "force_COCKpit option", no??