OK, so I'm skimming through the threads, and the consensus seems to be
that mainstream sources are bagging GPL because of it's difficult
driving model, and people that don't like it are lightweights that
only like arcade games.
Another game comes to mind, just as difficult, perhaps even MORE
difficult to master, yet I can't remember seeing a bad review on it...
SODA. I can remember it getting 85-90% ratings in a few mainstream
publications.
Now for the heretical part, but please let me qualify my comments
before you string me between two Ferrari's and take off in separate
directions...
I love cars, motorcycles and sims that pertain to them. I ride and
occasionally race dirt bikes, I've owned and driven trucks off-road.
I played SODA a lot, and I played GPL a bit, but...
I lost interest in it rather quickly. It just doesn't grab me.
I appreciate the physics model, and I see the greatness, believe me.
I have a hard time quantifying this, because although I'm not a rabid
fan of modern vintage racing, I'll watch it whenever it comes on, and
I do love the cars themselves.
Someone can call me a lightweight for not liking a sim with difficult
physics, but doesn't the fact that I stuck with SODA sort of prove
otherwise? Am I the lone outcast that feels this way?
Basically, it's a great sim, just not great for me? I dunno.
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Is GPL too demanding for people with busy lives?
Tim O argued GPL was criticised fairly for its difficulty, and another poster suggested GPL's defenders had too much free time. Many replied that their leagues were full of working adults over 40 who enjoyed the challenge, and the discussion moved on to whether GPL was a testbed for NASCAR 3 and the relative size of the F1 and NASCAR sim markets.
Automated summary.
Youre entittled to your opinion. If ya dont like it ya dont like it. The same
way some of us dont see the challenge in Quake (or the other Q lookalikes <G>).
Just our opinion. Everyones different, and has different likes/dislikes
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Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL....
It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time,
to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that
GPL is most frustrating!
I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of
playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with
the computer AI drivers.
I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or
the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills.
Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No,
Does this mean I'm a lousy driver? ..................No,
All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could
download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of
games like ToCA, or NFS ....
I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.
Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
end.
Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.
And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
GPL" types would have you believe.
Well, we have a GPL racing league full of people over 40. Most of us have
full time demanding jobs, and a family. GPL demands enormous amounts of
time, but I love it! No other computer sim has held my attention for more
than passing use.
My girlfriend puts up with it. And I'm having a blast! I love F1 racing, and
particularly cars of this era. GPL is realism is good enough that the racing
fascinates me, and I suspect the others in our league who have spent the
hours required to learn the tracks and set-up the cars feel the same.
Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada
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>Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL.... >It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time, >to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that >GPL is most frustrating! >I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup, >defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much >time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life. >Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their >evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on >end.Quoted text (19 lines)
>Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL.... >It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time, >to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that >GPL is most frustrating! >I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of >playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with >the computer AI drivers. >I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or >the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills. >Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No, >Does this mean I'm a lousy driver? ..................No, >All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could >download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of >games like ToCA, or NFS ....Generally I dislike getting involved with discussions around whether one
sim is better than another - you pays your money and you takes your
choice. I can only give my personal opinion that GPL is worth persevering
with. It is just so much more realistic than any other sim ever made. The
feeling of acheivement to be gained from GPL is without parallel in
computer games - but there is a steep learning curve. Get over that and
you are in danger of getting ***ed. I just want to drive it all the
time. IMO, for the whole experience, graphics, physics, gameplay (yes I
mean gameplay), AI, connectability, artwork, accuracy etc there is not a
sim or driving game that comes close to GPL - and I include SODA, VR, N2,
ICR, GP2, MGP, CMR, IRC, TOCA, NFS3 etc. You may be surprised that I
include arcade games in this bracket and some may argue that for gameplay
or graphics NFS3 is better than GPL, but I believe the converse - I have
certainly had better games of GPL than I have had with NFS3 - and GPLs
graphics though not as round and shiny as NFS3, excel in artwork and depth
in a way unparalleled in any other computer game, driving or otherwise.
And I am over 40.
Stay with it, get over the learning curve, and you will be in sim heaven.
Paul
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> OK, so I'm skimming through the threads, and the consensus seems to be > that mainstream sources are bagging GPL because of it's difficult > driving model, and people that don't like it are lightweights that > only like arcade games. > Another game comes to mind, just as difficult, perhaps even MORE > difficult to master, yet I can't remember seeing a bad review on it... > SODA. I can remember it getting 85-90% ratings in a few mainstream > publications. > Now for the heretical part, but please let me qualify my comments > before you string me between two Ferrari's and take off in separate > directions... > I love cars, motorcycles and sims that pertain to them. I ride and > occasionally race dirt bikes, I've owned and driven trucks off-road. > I played SODA a lot, and I played GPL a bit, but... > I lost interest in it rather quickly. It just doesn't grab me. > I appreciate the physics model, and I see the greatness, believe me. > I have a hard time quantifying this, because although I'm not a rabid > fan of modern vintage racing, I'll watch it whenever it comes on, and > I do love the cars themselves. > Someone can call me a lightweight for not liking a sim with difficult > physics, but doesn't the fact that I stuck with SODA sort of prove > otherwise? Am I the lone outcast that feels this way? > Basically, it's a great sim, just not great for me? I dunno. > -- > http://www.users.fast.net/~fusion1 > (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)Wine Oh! wrote
Everything you said was very good except this part...
Im sorry but...
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I'm 49. I have a job, I have a life. After 2 months of perhaps 8 hours of
practice a week I just got down to a 1:30.93 at Monza. That put me 10th
on the grid for the race.
I just complete a few laps of pratice at Monza. I spun at Parabolica and pulled
out in front of a few cars. I decided to make them work if they wanted to pass.
For the next 2 laps, Chris Amon, Bruce McLaren, Pedro Rodriguez and
Jackie Ickx tried everything they could to get by me. We were 3 a***
at several points. I finally got on the gas just a little to hard coming out of
the
second Lesmo and slid 45 degrees across the track in front of these guys.
I straighted out on the inside of the track (with out hitting anything!!!)
got back on the track and set out after them. I caught Ickx in Curve
Grande but got in just a little tto deep a scraped the wall exiting. I never
quite gathered it up and spun in the first Lesmo. There was never any contact
between any of us.
I have "NEVER" had anything like that happen to me in any kind of
computer sim of any kind.
It is a shame that some people are so busy that they are unable to
set aside the time and the attention to become profecient at GPL.
Without the time spent over the last 2 months I never would have been
able to stay ahead of the other drivers for more than a turn or 2.
Those 2 laps were better than everything I have experienced from
all the other sims I have ever had. I will be spending as much time
with GPL as my schedule allows. The more you put into this sim
the more it gives back to you.
buzard
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> >Tim, I would agree with your comments about GPL.... > >It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time, > >to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that > >GPL is most frustrating! > >I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of > >playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with > >the computer AI drivers. > >I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or > >the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills. > >Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No, > >Does this mean I'm a lousy driver? ..................No, > >All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could > >download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of > >games like ToCA, or NFS .... > All of the above is YOUR opinion based on YOUR experience. As such, I've got > no problem with it. You're entitled! But you fell off track quickly when you > continued with the following ... > >I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup, > >defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much > >time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life. > >Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their > <evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on > >end. > >Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid, > >but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and > >responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of > >free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL. > All of that is a bunch of lame generalizations, assumptions, theories and > judgements not based on fact. You should give up while you're ahead. > Pinebox<snip>
% I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup,
% defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much
% time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life.
% Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their
% evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on
% end.
I bet that if you took a poll, you would find that the majority of the
GPL posters are just the opposite of what you describe. It's just that
for us, GPL has become a hobby and we devote our "spare" time to
fulfilling our hobby's demands.
For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and
understanding wife.
% Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid,
% but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and
% responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of
% free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL.
% And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest
% rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game
% magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair
% and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to
% GPL" types would have you believe.
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I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun
for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not
including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by
how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins.
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> It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time, > to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that > GPL is most frustrating! > I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of > playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with > the computer AI drivers. > I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or > the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills. > Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No, > Does this mean I'm a lousy driver? ..................No, > All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could > download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of > games like ToCA, or NFS .... > I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup, > defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much > time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life. > Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their > evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on > end. > Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid, > but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and > responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of > free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL. > And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest > rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game > magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair > and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to > GPL" types would have you believe.And you're competitive.
Paul
> And you're competitive.
By which, I meant you're fast - I saw the ambiguity of that only after I
clicked the send button :-)
Paul
>I'm 49. I have a job, I have a life. After 2 months of perhaps 8 hours of
>practice a week I just got down to a 1:30.93 at Monza. That put me 10th
>on the grid for the race.
Good going, and you're so right that:
As for the "I want to be competitive in 1/2 hour" crowd, stick to Nintendo.
MW
Stick with it, Clancy. If you put in the time on this one, it will reap rewards. I
spent ages learning to drive these machines and now a can't get out of them,
Paul
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> I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun > for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not > including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by > how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins. > > It's an interesting game, but unless you have hours and hours of free time, > > to devote to honing your skills (read that, no life(-: ) you'll find that > > GPL is most frustrating! > > I for one prefer being able to jump into a car/sim and within a half hour of > > playing around with it, be able to be competitive on a given circuit with > > the computer AI drivers. > > I don't have the time to fiddle around with car setups, to study replays or > > the time to put into a game like GPL just to develop my driving sim skills. > > Does this mean that I dislike GPL ? ..................No, > > Does this mean I'm a lousy driver? ..................No, > > All I'm saying is that I would welcome any cheats or tools that I could > > download and incorporate into this game to give it the drive-ability of > > games like ToCA, or NFS .... > > I would also speculate that most of the people who post to this newsgroup, > > defending GPL as the next best thing since Christ are people with too much > > time on their hands, or folks who don't have a life. > > Probably the under 18 crowd who live with Mom and Dad, and spend their > > evenings after school in front of the computer playing games for hours on > > end. > > Don't take that as a flame....., hell I did the same thing when I was a kid, > > but folks who love racing, and racing sims, but who have families, jobs and > > responsibilities other than to themselves (like me) don't have the kind of > > free time required to develop the skills necessary to excel at GPL. > > And therefore may find it a bit frustrating, causing them to loose interest > > rather quickly. Taking this into account, I would say that the various game > > magazine reviews that have been kicked about on this forum lately are fair > > and accurate, despite what the die hard, "I've given up all my free time to > > GPL" types would have you believe.>For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and
>understanding wife.
Damn, and at 35 I thought I was old. :-)
I have to disagree with you here. I started a GPL club (The GPL PRC)
and we've over 70 members. The majority are working ***s. All except
one, Alison Hine, are male. Most are VERY fast. Many are married with
kids. Do they have "a life,"? I'd say so. They're fast because most of
them have been racing sims for years. So the racing skills they've
aquired over the years are simply paying off with GPL. I say this
because, though it's been out for just two months, already most
members are turning in pro lap times. If there was the kind of money
in sim racing that there is in the real world a lot of these guys
would be stinking rich. Which reminds me... not a few of them DO race
real cars either as a hobby or semi-pro. Yet they still race GPL
regularly. That says a lot about how realistic GPL is. And how great
racing online with it is too.
J Burrowes
>>For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and
>>understanding wife.
>Damn, and at 35 I thought I was old. :-)
I love these threads. They make me feel young again. :) I'm 32.
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> I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun
> for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not
> including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by
> how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins.
IMO Papyrus is not concerned about the future of GPL, after all it was
only a test of the Nascar 3 physics engine and I'm sure has made enough
money to pay for the effort of producing it by now.
Nascar 1999 is a test of double file restarts and a few other features,
again for Nascar 3 and will no doubt make enough money to pay for itself
so there are no dummies at Papyrus.
Personally I dont care for GPL because I dont identify with this era of
F1 but I sure can apreciate the physics modeling and what it means for
the future, Nascar 3 or 2000 or whatever it'll be called is the sim I am
waiting for :).
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>> I agree 100% with your post and must add I didnt find GPL any fun >> for me. Personally I think Papy made a big market boo-boo not >> including some easier play in it. We'll find out soon by >> how quick GPL lands in the bargain bins. >IMO Papyrus is not concerned about the future of GPL, after all it was >only a test of the Nascar 3 physics engine and I'm sure has made enough >money to pay for the effort of producing it by now.> IMO Papyrus is not concerned about the future of GPL, after all it was
> only a test of the Nascar 3 physics engine and I'm sure has made enough
> money to pay for the effort of producing it by now.
But the fact remains that Nascar has very little following outside North
America whereas F1 is a global series that attracts tv audiences that Nascar
can only dream about. By simulating F1 (even historic F1) you can open up a
potential market of at least the size of the Nascar one.
N2 was okay, and a good simulation, but people on this side of the pond just
didn't buy it in any great number because we don't know Nascar and we don't
have much oval racing. Indy is better known here because it resembles F1
(except for the oval venues) and because drivers regularly cross-over from
the one formula to the other.
I find it hard to accept the Sierra/Papyrus would spend heaps of dosh
developing a games engine with the intention of restricting its market to
the US. I would expect further F1 simulations to come from this stable.
I would be interested to know the sales figures for GP2, F1RS, N2, CPR,
ICR2, TOCA, CMR etc. In fact I would love to see an intricate breakdown of
all sim/driving games, showing platform and geographical distribution. I
would expect to see the total F1 sim/driving sales from any year dwarf those
of Nascar, Indy, TCC, GT and rally put together.
I own N1 and N2 and appreciate that they are good but I seldom play them and
N3 will probably get the same treatment. It's not that I think there is
anything wrong with the sims or with the sport, it's just not my bag and
when choosing a closed wheel series, I will choose touring cars (GT or TCC),
because I, like many global citizens have been able to watch it on tv and
see it at my local circuit.
Paul
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> > IMO Papyrus is not concerned about the future of GPL, after all it was > > only a test of the Nascar 3 physics engine and I'm sure has made enough > > money to pay for the effort of producing it by now. > But the fact remains that Nascar has very little following outside North > America whereas F1 is a global series that attracts tv audiences that Nascar > can only dream about. By simulating F1 (even historic F1) you can open up a > potential market of at least the size of the Nascar one.AFAIK, the biggest selling sim to date worldwide is GP2- And this is before
the imminent Budget release....
Z.
Let's not forget that most of the newer games require MUCH faster
hardware to work acceptably well. It's widely accepted that you
shouldn't really consider driving GPL unless you have a P2/300 or faster
wit a V2 card. Without hardware at least that fast, you won't get decent
performance in a full-field race.
You should also consider that more entertainment software is purchased in
the US than in most other countries combined. Given that Nascar is
probably the most watched motorsport in the US, that's why Papy gets such
good sales numbers for N1/N2 compared to ICR2 or GPL.
When N3 comes out, I'd be willing to bet that it far outsells GPL even
with it's stiffer hardware requirements.
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>You should also consider that more entertainment software is purchased in
>the US than in most other countries combined.
In PC CD-ROM sales, North America accounts for about 40% of the market. Rest
of World about 60%.
Z.
>>You should also consider that more entertainment software
>>is purchased in the US than in most other countries
>>combined.
>In PC CD-ROM sales, North America accounts for about 40% of
>the market. Rest of World about 60%.
Are you talking about the hardware or software on CD?
The US is responsible for 40% which proves my point - more than *most*
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In 1997 NASCAR II was the 7th top selling PC "game" and happened to be
the only "auto simulation" to make the top 20.
% >
% > But the fact remains that Nascar has very little following outside North
% > America whereas F1 is a global series that attracts tv audiences that Nascar
% > can only dream about. By simulating F1 (even historic F1) you can open up a
% > potential market of at least the size of the Nascar one.
% Paul, you'll get no argument from me on this issue other than the size
% of the market F1 vs Nascar, it is just my personal opinion that GPL was
% mainly a test of the Nascar3/Nascar 2000 physics engine as N99 was a
% test of other features.
% I would be very surprised if Papyrus doesnt use this engine in further
% sims, I certainly hope so and hope that a modern day F1 sim would be
% one. Frankly I dont expect to see Papyrus producing a modern version
% though due to licensing issues, etc.
% Personally I enjoy F1 as much as I do Nascar and certainly dont
% subscribe to the narrow minded US vs European, F1 vs Nascar opinions
% stated by others in this NG.
% I too would like to see some Nascar vs GPL sales figures but I suspect
% that the market share of N1/N2 would be larger than any other type sim
% made to date. For one thing the US market is huge and Nascar is also
% quite popular in other countries, this is strictly IMO however.
% Trev
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>>>For the record, I am 46 years old, have a steady job, and a loving and >>>understanding wife. >>Damn, and at 35 I thought I was old. :-) >I love these threads. They make me feel young again. :) I'm 32. >-- >Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.Quoted text (11 lines)
> >I too would like to see some Nascar vs GPL sales figures but I suspect > >that the market share of N1/N2 would be larger than any other type sim > >made to date. For one thing the US market is huge and Nascar is also > >quite popular in other countries, this is strictly IMO however. > >Trev > AFAIK, the biggest selling sim to date worldwide is GP2- And this is before > the imminent Budget release.... > Z.<snip>
John, I believe you are right on the money there :) I wouldnt be
surprised to see N3 become the biggest selling sim to date, I for one
cant wait to see it. I would imagine a 1 Gig proccessor will be needed
to run it though.
Trev
The proof is where?
Trev
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> >You should also consider that more entertainment software is purchased in > >the US than in most other countries combined. > In PC CD-ROM sales, North America accounts for about 40% of the market. Rest > of World about 60%. > Z.> > In 1997 NASCAR II was the 7th top selling PC "game" and happened to be
> > the only "auto simulation" to make the top 20.
> The proof is where?
> Trev
Check the IGN website. I think I read it from there a while
back. Gotta search the arvhices though. But he's right.
N2 sold a ton.
Grimfarrow
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> > >You should also consider that more entertainment software is purchased in > > >the US than in most other countries combined. > > In PC CD-ROM sales, North America accounts for about 40% of the market. Rest > > of World about 60%. > > Z. > I find this a little difficult to believe, I would be more likely to > believe 60/40 the other way but it really doesnt much matter to me. > TrevQuoted text (19 lines)
> > > >You should also consider that more entertainment software is purchased in > > > >the US than in most other countries combined. > > > In PC CD-ROM sales, North America accounts for about 40% of the market. Rest > > > of World about 60%. > > > Z. > > I find this a little difficult to believe, I would be more likely to > > believe 60/40 the other way but it really doesnt much matter to me. > > Trev > I think it's *more* than 60% in North America. 70/30. > Japan is *not* a big market for PC games. So that leaves only > Europe, which isn't huge, due ot lauguage barrier, separate > marketing for each country, etc. > GrimfarrowQuoted text (12 lines)
> > > In 1997 NASCAR II was the 7th top selling PC "game" and happened to be > > > the only "auto simulation" to make the top 20. > > The proof is where? > > Trev > Check the IGN website. I think I read it from there a while > back. Gotta search the arvhices though. But he's right. > N2 sold a ton. > Grimfarrow% >
% > In 1997 NASCAR II was the 7th top selling PC "game" and happened to be
% > the only "auto simulation" to make the top 20.
% >
% The proof is where?
http://www.pcdata.com/hitslists/default.asp
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Good site, pity it is just the US market, do you know a site that shows worldwide
data like this?
Paul
