NASCAR 2003 vs. NASCAR 4

Hey all, I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copy of NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphical bells and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model inproved by much? Thanks, -Dirt-

Yes, yes and yes :) WELL worth $19.99 Mitch "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copyof > NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphicalbells > and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model > inproved by much? > > Thanks, > > -Dirt-

Mitch_A wrote: > WELL worth $19.99 $19.99?!? It seems to be available for $9.99 most anywhere online. :) -Dirt-

IMHO, the Physics are better, but the AI got a bit stupid. It's worth the upgrade, especially since it's down to around $20 now. -Larry "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copyof > NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphicalbells > and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model > inproved by much? > > Thanks, > > -Dirt-

9.99 on amazon i just ordered it

I'll put it THIS way then. NR2003 is VERY much worth the $43 I paid for it so anything less is a steal imo :) Semantics.... "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Mitch_A wrote: > > > WELL worth $19.99 > > $19.99?!? It seems to be available for $9.99 most anywhere online. :) > > -Dirt-

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> Hey all, > > I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copy of > NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphical bells > and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model > inproved by much? > > Thanks, > > -Dirt-

If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics improvements in NR2003. The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something other than else). And there's more to come! Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it. HTH, Kendt

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> If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer > would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics > improvements in NR2003. > The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something > other than else). And there's more to come! > Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC > you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd > still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it.

P-III/650 with 96M of RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card. PWF? TPTCC? What are those? And your TransAm statement is a bit ambiguous. Is there a patch, or isn't there? -Dirt-

Yes there is a patch. On the web somewhere. For an idea on mods go to www.onlineracin.com/pwf/ and take a look... Trucks and upcoming Trans-Am. TPTCC is some type of touring car thingy... Someone will help out with more info I'm sure... Is it worth it...YES...but you do need a good machine to run it at it's best. Kevin (aka tlgtr) **** "A GOOD friend will come bail you out of jail... but, a TRUE friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn we screwed up!!!!."

There is a patch, affect online mostly, some offline stuff ... PWF is ProjectWildfire, mods like BGN, CTS, Trans AM, Tracks, and other goodies TPTcc I a mod found at the USPITS (dot com)... there are so much stuff in the works , and already in usable mode, But I warn you, this game sux without wheel & Pedals!!! at least a 2 axis joystic (Left right front back) Your orignal posts says EA's nead for speed, well this is different, your not driving a fake car on a wide "hotwheels" type tracks through scenery... this game is to Nascar (and the subsequent mods) as MS Flight Simulator is to Flying, attention to many dynamics of driving a car at speeds with atempted real world simulation... If you used to jumping into the Porches and beating the ai due to 'hell raising manuvers" then I suggest that Papy's NR2003 will seem lame to you. But if you like to see what you would be up against, if you had the unlimited resources like money, cars, and time, you can see if your driving skills match other drivers... Have fun, hell it is only 9 bucks, & ship... Chris Cavin wrote:

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> Kendt Eklund wrote: > >> If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer >> would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics >> improvements in NR2003. >> The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something >> other than else). And there's more to come! >> Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC >> you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd >> still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it. > > > > P-III/650 with 96M of RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card. > > PWF? TPTCC? What are those? And your TransAm statement is a bit > ambiguous. Is there a patch, or isn't there? > > -Dirt-

"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Kendt Eklund wrote: > > > If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer > > would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics > > improvements in NR2003. > > The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something > > other than else). And there's more to come! > > Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC > > you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd > > still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it. > > > > P-III/650 with 96M of RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card. > > PWF? TPTCC? What are those? And your TransAm statement is a bit

ambiguous. > Is there a patch, or isn't there? > > -Dirt- I don't know Dirt, you may want to look into a computer upgrade before getting into this one. I have an AMD Duron 750 processor on a Gigabyte GA-7ZXE board ( it can handle up to a AMD 2200 ), 256 MB RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card, onboard sound disabled with a creative soundblaster 16 installed. I get very low frame rates.....most other players proclaim they cannot play the game at similar rates. I shut down all possible processes (many times after a cold boot to clear all memory) and still run at about 30fps. Very, very little eye candy....60% draw ahead, 5 cars ahead and 3 behind. low quality cars, medium mirror, low world....minimal trackside objects ( I would run none but need something to judge corners )......no animated objects, no smoke, no skid marks, no debris and particles, cant seem to make myself turn off windshield buildup :-) (yes, I drive in the cockpit.) Anyway, you get the idea........ Sean

I wait until games are old to pay less, since I don't really play much.... Today I got N2003 at Best Buy for $9.99, yet I bought NFS:U for $39.99 (or $34.99, I forget) when it first came out. (since I play the NFS games more) "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IMQTb.19528$[email hidden]... > I'll put it THIS way then. NR2003 is VERY much worth the $43 I paid forit

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> so anything less is a steal imo :) > > Semantics.... > > > > "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Mitch_A wrote: > > > > > WELL worth $19.99 > > > > $19.99?!? It seems to be available for $9.99 most anywhere online. :) > > > > -Dirt- > >

$60 here in Australia :( Joke. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dOPTb.9124$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, yes and yes :) > > WELL worth $19.99 > > Mitch > > > "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey all, > > > > I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copy > of > > NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphical > bells > > and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model > > inproved by much? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Dirt- > >

In article <O6TTb.174176$nt4.765425@attbi_s51>, [email hidden] says... > I wait until games are old to pay less, since I don't really play much.... > Today I got N2003 at Best Buy for $9.99, yet I bought NFS:U for $39.99 (or > $34.99, I forget) when it first came out. (since I play the NFS games more) No kidding, im still waiting for Windows 3.1 to hit $2.50!! -- Bill D Pensacola, FL

says... No kidding, im still waiting for Windows 3.1 to hit $2.50!! -- Bill D Pensacola, FL

yes it is well worth the money. Guess the going price is around $10 to $15 depending on where you look. Which is great considering most of us paid $50 for the game. Just the mods alone are worth buying the game. (cts, gbn, iroc trans-am). dang, just stopped and thought about how much money I put in to the papy racing games..hehehe Wish that crew would come out with a motocross racing game..ms mcm2 is extremely old..ugh. "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey all, > > I have NASCAR 4 and was wondering if it was worth my while to get a copyof > NASCAR 2003. Is there really anything different besides the graphicalbells > and whistles? Is the AI significantly improved? Is the physics model > inproved by much? > > Thanks, > > -Dirt-

longhorn is $1 in thailand... pez -- pez Hey Bub! http://www.geocities.com/alexpez/pezscar2003.zip "BD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <O6TTb.174176$nt4.765425@attbi_s51>, [email hidden] > says... > > I wait until games are old to pay less, since I don't really play much.... > > Today I got N2003 at Best Buy for $9.99, yet I bought NFS:U for $39.99 (or > > $34.99, I forget) when it first came out. (since I play the NFS games more) > > > No kidding, im still waiting for Windows 3.1 to hit $2.50!! > -- > Bill D > Pensacola, FL

<p550 here, no gfx on screen, but playable online. pez -- pez Hey Bub! http://www.geocities.com/alexpez/pezscar2003.zip "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Kendt Eklund wrote: > > > > > If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer > > > would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics > > > improvements in NR2003. > > > The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something > > > other than else). And there's more to come! > > > Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC > > > you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd > > > still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it. > > > > > > > > P-III/650 with 96M of RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card. > > > > PWF? TPTCC? What are those? And your TransAm statement is a bit > ambiguous. > > Is there a patch, or isn't there? > > > > -Dirt- > > I don't know Dirt, you may want to look into a computer upgrade before > getting into this one. I have an AMD Duron 750 processor on a Gigabyte > GA-7ZXE board ( it can handle up to a AMD 2200 ), 256 MB RAM and an Nvidia > GeForce 2MX video card, onboard sound disabled with a creative soundblaster > 16 installed. > I get very low frame rates.....most other players proclaim they cannot play > the game at similar rates. I shut down all possible processes (many times > after a cold boot to clear all memory) and still run at about 30fps. Very, > very little eye candy....60% draw ahead, 5 cars ahead and 3 behind. low > quality cars, medium mirror, low world....minimal trackside objects ( I > would run none but need something to judge corners )......no animated > objects, no smoke, no skid marks, no debris and particles, cant seem to make > myself turn off windshield buildup :-) (yes, I drive in the cockpit.) > > Anyway, you get the idea........ > > > Sean > >

Sheesh turn down the draw ahead, make your cars shown to be 20 or less in front, 3 or 4 behind... set draw ahead like 40% seems to me this speeded up my p2 1000 machine until I upgraded... play with the draw until the track corner (not necessarily the buildings or details) aren't appearing to be built in front of you.... McWhom wrote:

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> "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Kendt Eklund wrote: >> >>> If you're interested in anything besides Nascars - then the answer >>> would be an unqualified YES, even without the graphics and physics >>> improvements in NR2003. >>> The PWF and TPTCC mods are fantastic (TransAm really is something >>> other than else). And there's more to come! >>> Depends a little bit on your rig - if you don't have a high-spec PC >>> you may not get to see much in the graphics improvements, but I'd >>> still say the improvements to the tire model alone are worth it. >> >> >> >> P-III/650 with 96M of RAM and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card. >> >> PWF? TPTCC? What are those? And your TransAm statement is a bit >> ambiguous. Is there a patch, or isn't there? >> >> -Dirt- > > I don't know Dirt, you may want to look into a computer upgrade before > getting into this one. I have an AMD Duron 750 processor on a > Gigabyte GA-7ZXE board ( it can handle up to a AMD 2200 ), 256 MB RAM > and an Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card, onboard sound disabled with a > creative soundblaster 16 installed. > I get very low frame rates.....most other players proclaim they > cannot play the game at similar rates. I shut down all possible > processes (many times after a cold boot to clear all memory) and > still run at about 30fps. Very, very little eye candy....60% draw > ahead, 5 cars ahead and 3 behind. low quality cars, medium mirror, > low world....minimal trackside objects ( I would run none but need > something to judge corners )......no animated objects, no smoke, no > skid marks, no debris and particles, cant seem to make myself turn > off windshield buildup :-) (yes, I drive in the cockpit.) > > Anyway, you get the idea........ > > > Sean