Driver problem with Nascar 2003 and radeon 9700

I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. Was connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run N2003 my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. GPL is fine. I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that short of another reformat.

Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple task of making XP use the graphic driver you want. My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move from floundering novice to competent beginner. AD "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine.Was > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried runN2003

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> my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > GPL is fine. > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that > short of another reformat. > >

Also try your sound card drivers. All the problems I've had where I thought the video card drivers were the culprit.... turned out to be the sound card drivers instead.... of course I do have a Creative card too..... Vintook "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine.Was > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried runN2003

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> my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > GPL is fine. > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that > short of another reformat. > >

<snip> >My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move >from floundering novice to competent beginner. > >AD What how to's AD? Where?? I'm setting up a new box and am having the same problems. Thanks, Dan

<snip> What how to's AD? Where?? I'm setting up a new box and am having the same problems. Thanks, Dan

Dan....i was referring to the how to instructions that come with most software that people do not follow properly because they have a 'better' way by force of habit I have watched many customers do things that had become 2nd nature but were in actual fact wrongly done. The original post showed a definite error in the Ati driver installation where he referred to wanting to install driver A but XP which does as it pleases and he cant stop it,installed driver B. If he had read how to uninstall and install drivers to the letter,that would not have happened. Dan if i can be of any help just ask. AD "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > <snip> > >My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help youmove

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> >from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > > >AD > > What how to's AD? Where?? I'm setting up a new box and am having the same > problems. > Thanks, > Dan

<snip> >Dan if i can be of any help just ask. > >AD Thanks AD. The new box reboots when trying to run NR2003 and I *think* it's a cable modem issue. I'll find out later today when the cable guy comes but I also suspect that I may have to re-install the card because the log states that it is a driver issue. Thanks for the help offer...I may just take you up on it :) Dan

I may have left out some details. The format was not "at the drop of a hat' and was painful. I did have N2003 running fine with the same ATI driver that XP is reinstalling when I remove the old driver. I could install the omega driver over the top of the other driver but all instructions that I have seen say to first remove the old driver. I do not think that there is any thing wrong with the ATI driver that XP is installing. Maybe Add/remove programs does not completely remove all of the previous driver installation? AD if you have a link that contains good instructions on removal and installation of ATI drivers, would you share that with me. Don "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]... > Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple taskof

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> making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > AD > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. > Was > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > N2003 > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen

that > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and Iwould > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > > GPL is fine. > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that itwants > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fixthat > > short of another reformat. > > > > > >

AD, I found an error message that may give a clue to solving my problem. If I go to Component Services\Console Root\Event Viewer(Local)\System\warning Window File Protection The protected system file c:\windows\system32\drivers\ati2mtag.sys could not be verified as valid because Windows File Protection is terminating. Use the SFC utility to verify the integrity of the file at a later time. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.Microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Just found this so I may try to get some help from the link included. Don "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]...

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> Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple task of > making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > AD > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. > Was > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > N2003 > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > > GPL is fine. > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that > > short of another reformat. > > > > > >

Try ATI's uninstaller program. You can find it at their site under utilities (I think it's at the bottom of the page where you download the drivers). Just run it and it will get rid of all the ATI stuff. Reboot and let winxp do it's thing. If winxp installs drivers by itself, then try n2k3 with those and see if it will run. If so then just install Omega's and hope everything still works. Vintook "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ptRUb.238019$xy6.1243457@attbi_s02... > I may have left out some details. The format was not "at the drop of ahat' > and was painful. I did have N2003 running fine with the same ATI driver > that XP is reinstalling when I remove the old driver. I could install the > omega driver over the top of the other driver but all instructions that I > have seen say to first remove the old driver. > I do not think that there is any thing wrong with the ATI driver that XPis > installing. Maybe Add/remove programs does not completely remove all ofthe

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> previous driver installation? > AD if you have a link that contains good instructions on removal and > installation of ATI drivers, would you share that with me. > > Don > "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]... > > Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple task > of > > making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you

move > > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > > > AD > > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again justfine. > > Was > > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > > N2003 > > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was seriousdriver > > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen > that > > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I > would > > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be runningwell. > > > GPL is fine. > > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it > wants > > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs isnot

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> > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix > that > > > short of another reformat. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don ....please use a utility like Driver Cleaner 2 , and it will leave your pc Ati (and Nvidia if needed) free before your attempt with the Omega drivers. AD "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sLRUb.238104$xy6.1243319@attbi_s02... AD, I found an error message that may give a clue to solving my problem. If I go to Component Services\Console Root\Event Viewer(Local)\System\warning Window File Protection The protected system file c:\windows\system32\drivers\ati2mtag.sys could not be verified as valid because Windows File Protection is terminating. Use the SFC utility to verify the integrity of the file at a later time. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.Microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Just found this so I may try to get some help from the link included. Don "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]...

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> Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple task of > making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > AD > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. > Was > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > N2003 > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > > GPL is fine. > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that > > short of another reformat. > > > > > >

Also from my experience with the ATI omega drivers is you just need to make sure the ATI control panel is removed first, the drivers will be overwritten by the omega drivers. The omega drivers include their own control panel so that is why you need to remove the ATI control panel first. Also like others have said use the uninstall utilility from ATI to do a complete clean (good idea). I run a W98SE and Radeon 9200 and play around with drivers for best FPS. Hope some of this helps Steve "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c013m6$t55$[email hidden]... Don ....please use a utility like Driver Cleaner 2 , and it will leave your pc Ati (and Nvidia if needed) free before your attempt with the Omega drivers. AD "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sLRUb.238104$xy6.1243319@attbi_s02... AD, I found an error message that may give a clue to solving my problem. If I go to Component Services\Console Root\Event Viewer(Local)\System\warning Window File Protection The protected system file c:\windows\system32\drivers\ati2mtag.sys could not be verified as valid because Windows File Protection is terminating. Use the SFC utility to verify the integrity of the file at a later time. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.Microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Just found this so I may try to get some help from the link included. Don "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]...

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> Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple task of > making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > AD > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. > Was > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > N2003 > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen that > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and I would > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > > GPL is fine. > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that it wants > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fix that > > short of another reformat. > > > > > >

I was able to able to use the ATI removal program along with Driver Cleaner 2 to remove and reinstall my video drivers. Driver Cleaner 2 had very good instructions with it. The cancel button worked when XP wanted to install drivers of it's choice. That cancel button would not work before. Bottom line is that the Omega driver has some error protection built in so now I just get bounced to the desktop instead of a reboot when attempting to run N2003. I would like to thank all of you who helped me. Don "Newsgroups" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pf8Vb.192406$Rc4.1515147@attbi_s54... Also from my experience with the ATI omega drivers is you just need to make sure the ATI control panel is removed first, the drivers will be overwritten by the omega drivers. The omega drivers include their own control panel so that is why you need to remove the ATI control panel first. Also like others have said use the uninstall utilility from ATI to do a complete clean (good idea). I run a W98SE and Radeon 9200 and play around with drivers for best FPS. Hope some of this helps Steve "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c013m6$t55$[email hidden]... Don ....please use a utility like Driver Cleaner 2 , and it will leave your pc Ati (and Nvidia if needed) free before your attempt with the Omega drivers. AD "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sLRUb.238104$xy6.1243319@attbi_s02... AD, I found an error message that may give a clue to solving my problem. If I go to Component Services\Console Root\Event Viewer(Local)\System\warning Window File Protection The protected system file c:\windows\system32\drivers\ati2mtag.sys could not be verified as valid because Windows File Protection is terminating. Use the SFC utility to verify the integrity of the file at a later time. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.Microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Just found this so I may try to get some help from the link included. Don "AD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvvodq$2bm$[email hidden]... > Nothing is screwed up at all,you are just a novice panicking. > > The answer is simple you have to install the Ati driver correctly. > > The alarming point is you freely explain how easy it is to reformat > everything at the drop of a hat but you are unable to do the simple taskof

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> making XP use the graphic driver you want. > > My advice is to read the simple How To's in depth they might help you move > from floundering novice to competent beginner. > > AD > "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bmFUb.185589$sv6.970158@attbi_s52... > > I reformatted and was able to get N2003 up and running again just fine. > Was > > connecting online fine. Then something happened and when I tried run > N2003 > > my computer would reboot. The message from Microsoft was serious driver > > error. I uninstalled Logitech software, N2003 and ATI drivers and > > reinstalled. Basically the same problem after getting to the screen

that > > has the version listed on the bottom the screen would go black and Iwould > > get a reboot. No virus and all other programs seem to be running well. > > GPL is fine. > > I was going to try an Omega driver but XP puts the driver in that itwants > > to. It shows no conflicts with the driver it uses. > > I think maybe my registry is screwed up and add/remove programs is not > > completely removing my video drivers, but I am not to sure how to fixthat > > short of another reformat. > > > > > >

I gave up and reformatted my harddrive and reinstalled XP. Nascar 2003 works now.