NR1999 AI Cars Stupid at 'dega

In N2, if I was lucky enough to qualify on the outside, I could blow past about 12-15 cars on lap one, when everybody checked up and went low into turn one. In NR1999, it's even worse than that: everybody checks up immediately upon the green flag being waved. If I'm on the inside, I can pass cars on the grass before we even reach the start/finish line! Last night, I won a 200-mile race at 101%. I started 35th, and was in 5th by the completion of lap one. The leaders got away from me, and I ran all by myself for about 45-50 laps. Then, I got a caution, and blew by the remaining 4 cars on the restart. Does this happen to anybody else? And is it just 'dega, or does it happen everywhere?

Err.. don't do that. - Eric

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>Err.. don't do that. >- Eric >>If I'm on the inside, I can pass cars on the grass before >>we even reach the start/finish line!

It's technically against NASCAR rules to pass before crossing taking the green at the start/finish line. I believe you can pass to the right only (might have that backwards). In real life, you'd get black flagged.

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>In N2, if I was lucky enough to qualify on the outside, I could blow >past about 12-15 cars on lap one, when everybody checked up and went low >into turn one. In NR1999, it's even worse than that: everybody checks up >immediately upon the green flag being waved. If I'm on the inside, I can >pass cars on the grass before we even reach the start/finish line! Last >night, I won a 200-mile race at 101%. I started 35th, and was in 5th by >the completion of lap one. The leaders got away from me, and I ran all >by myself for about 45-50 laps. Then, I got a caution, and blew by the >remaining 4 cars on the restart. >Does this happen to anybody else? And is it just 'dega, or does it >happen everywhere?

Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now.

Okay, okay, I promise not to be a bad boy anymore. I've taken my beatings, and am ready to turn over a new leaf. No more passing on the grass before the start/finish line. But the purpose of my post was not to announce how cool I was for finding this helpful nugget, but more like "why would I be able to do this in the first place?" If I stay in line, I mash into the back of whoever's in front of me, because everybody seems to brake when the green flag flies. Is this realistic? I can't believe that it is. And on restarts, even if the cars in front of me don't check up, I've got so much more horsepower coming up through the gears, it's not even a challenge to pass the fastest cars on the track! Of course, when we're all up to speed, and I start turning in my usual terrible laps, then I'll get shuffled back again...

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> It's technically against NASCAR rules to pass before crossing taking > the green at the start/finish line. I believe you can pass to the > right only (might have that backwards). > In real life, you'd get black flagged. > >In N2, if I was lucky enough to qualify on the outside, I could blow > >past about 12-15 cars on lap one, when everybody checked up and went low > >into turn one. In NR1999, it's even worse than that: everybody checks up > >immediately upon the green flag being waved. If I'm on the inside, I can > >pass cars on the grass before we even reach the start/finish line! Last > >night, I won a 200-mile race at 101%. I started 35th, and was in 5th by > >the completion of lap one. The leaders got away from me, and I ran all > >by myself for about 45-50 laps. Then, I got a caution, and blew by the > >remaining 4 cars on the restart. > >Does this happen to anybody else? And is it just 'dega, or does it > >happen everywhere? > Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. > I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now.

Probably what is being simulated is their cars are "loose" and takes a few laps to come up to speed. usually the looser you can stand your car at the beginning, the longer you'll be able to keep up the good laptimes, since your car will usually tend to push towards the end of a long green flag run.

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>Okay, okay, I promise not to be a bad boy anymore. I've taken my >beatings, and am ready to turn over a new leaf. No more passing on the >grass before the start/finish line. But the purpose of my post was not >to announce how cool I was for finding this helpful nugget, but more >like "why would I be able to do this in the first place?" If I stay in >line, I mash into the back of whoever's in front of me, because >everybody seems to brake when the green flag flies. Is this realistic? I >can't believe that it is. >And on restarts, even if the cars in front of me don't check up, I've >got so much more horsepower coming up through the gears, it's not even a >challenge to pass the fastest cars on the track! Of course, when we're >all up to speed, and I start turning in my usual terrible laps, then >I'll get shuffled back again... >> It's technically against NASCAR rules to pass before crossing taking >> the green at the start/finish line. I believe you can pass to the >> right only (might have that backwards). >> In real life, you'd get black flagged. >> >In N2, if I was lucky enough to qualify on the outside, I could blow >> >past about 12-15 cars on lap one, when everybody checked up and went low >> >into turn one. In NR1999, it's even worse than that: everybody checks up >> >immediately upon the green flag being waved. If I'm on the inside, I can >> >pass cars on the grass before we even reach the start/finish line! Last >> >night, I won a 200-mile race at 101%. I started 35th, and was in 5th by >> >the completion of lap one. The leaders got away from me, and I ran all >> >by myself for about 45-50 laps. Then, I got a caution, and blew by the >> >remaining 4 cars on the restart. >> >Does this happen to anybody else? And is it just 'dega, or does it >> >happen everywhere? >> Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. >> I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now.

Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now.

% Probably what is being simulated is their cars are "loose" and takes a % few laps to come up to speed. usually the looser you can stand your % car at the beginning, the longer you'll be able to keep up the good % laptimes, since your car will usually tend to push towards the end of % a long green flag run. Nope, it is pure dumb AI programming on Papyrus's fault. It has been present ICR2 and N1/N2 (and probably ICR1, but my memory is fading...). I had hoped they would have fixed this with their "AI enhancements" for NR 1999. I sure hope they work on this for N3/2000. It is fixable, we did it in some of our CCG AI enhancements. % >Okay, okay, I promise not to be a bad boy anymore. I've taken my % >beatings, and am ready to turn over a new leaf. No more passing on the % >grass before the start/finish line. But the purpose of my post was not % >to announce how cool I was for finding this helpful nugget, but more % >like "why would I be able to do this in the first place?" If I stay in % >line, I mash into the back of whoever's in front of me, because % >everybody seems to brake when the green flag flies. Is this realistic? I % >can't believe that it is. % >And on restarts, even if the cars in front of me don't check up, I've % >got so much more horsepower coming up through the gears, it's not even a % >challenge to pass the fastest cars on the track! Of course, when we're % >all up to speed, and I start turning in my usual terrible laps, then % >I'll get shuffled back again... % > % >> % >> It's technically against NASCAR rules to pass before crossing taking % >> the green at the start/finish line. I believe you can pass to the % >> right only (might have that backwards). % >> % >> In real life, you'd get black flagged. % >> % >> % >> >In N2, if I was lucky enough to qualify on the outside, I could blow % >> >past about 12-15 cars on lap one, when everybody checked up and went low % >> >into turn one. In NR1999, it's even worse than that: everybody checks up % >> >immediately upon the green flag being waved. If I'm on the inside, I can % >> >pass cars on the grass before we even reach the start/finish line! Last % >> >night, I won a 200-mile race at 101%. I started 35th, and was in 5th by % >> >the completion of lap one. The leaders got away from me, and I ran all % >> >by myself for about 45-50 laps. Then, I got a caution, and blew by the % >> >remaining 4 cars on the restart. % >> >Does this happen to anybody else? And is it just 'dega, or does it % >> >happen everywhere? % >> % >> Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. % >> I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now. % Remove the -nospam- from the email address. Sorry, I *had* to put it in. % I'm receiving more junk mail than ever now. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=