Nascar 99 don't bother!

Picked up Nascar 1999 today, and will return it tomorrow. The main reason I bought it was for Win98 support. (I have a Diamond Monster Sound) It has Win98 support, but NO MULTIPLAYER support with the Win9x install. Talk about stupid, can't believe this was done by the same people that did GPL. Andy

I'm still gonna grab it but you are 100% correct tho. Nascar 2 is the only thing holding me back from not having to have SB dos compatability. You just would have thunk this would have been able to put that to rest and opened some doors for me. I to play networked and there really are quite a few people I know that fall in this exact same situation.

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>Picked up Nascar 1999 today, and will return it tomorrow. The main >reason I bought it was for Win98 support. (I have a Diamond Monster >Sound) It has Win98 support, but NO MULTIPLAYER support with the >Win9x install. Talk about stupid, can't believe this was done by the >same people that did GPL. >Andy

>I'm still gonna grab it but you are 100% correct tho. Nascar 2 is the only >thing holding me back from not having to have SB dos compatability. You just >would have thunk this would have been able to put that to rest and opened >some doors for me. I to play networked and there really are quite a few >people I know that fall in this exact same situation. I did multiplayer NR1999 last night. I have a P5-200MMX/3dfx and my friend has a P5-133/3dfx. We both selected the DOS 3dfx install. When the game runs, you do not go to DOS or reboot at all. It runs in a DOS box just fine. In fact go to the shortcut properties and uncheck the "DOS as needed" box. The game really ran great and is not a big deal as you might expect. The last issue for me will be if a MS-FF wheel will work in this game. I'll probably pick one up today. But I sure don't want to be swapping between my T2 and the MS-FF, that would be just crazy. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >>Picked up Nascar 1999 today, and will return it tomorrow. The main >>reason I bought it was for Win98 support. (I have a Diamond Monster >>Sound) It has Win98 support, but NO MULTIPLAYER support with the >>Win9x install. Talk about stupid, can't believe this was done by the >>same people that did GPL. >>Andy

In Win9x mode, yes (but no force feedback). In DOS mode, no. That screws those of us running NROS. -Larry > The last issue for me > will be if a MS-FF wheel will work in this game. I'll probably pick > one up today. But I sure don't want to be swapping between > my T2 and the MS-FF, that would be just crazy.

Um. It does work in DOS. At least it does in Illinois :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >In Win9x mode, yes (but no force feedback). >In DOS mode, no. That screws those of us running NROS. >-Larry >> The last issue for me >> will be if a MS-FF wheel will work in this game. I'll probably pick >> one up today. But I sure don't want to be swapping between >> my T2 and the MS-FF, that would be just crazy.

that is pure stupid papyrus, i was hoping so much this dog of a series, would finally elevate itself, into the directx world i can't believe they are doing this pure crap, papyrus, you guys used to be the MAN when it came to driving, oh well, see ya, i'm a formula1 pilot now anyway , (F1RS) screw the rest

Just don't recal your wheel :) BtW... Even the Win95 version won't recognize most of the buttons on the MSFFW. It won't even recognize the damned shift paddles! Someone needs to 'help' Papyrus learn how to program Controller Input... -Larry > Um. It does work in DOS. At least it does in Illinois :-)

You can program the paddle shifters to use keystrokes instead of joystick buttons. I use the right paddle (PgUp) for up shifting and the right paddle (PgDn) for down shifting. -Paul

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>Just don't recal your wheel :) >BtW... Even the Win95 version won't recognize most of the buttons on the >MSFFW. It won't even recognize the damned shift paddles! >Someone needs to 'help' Papyrus learn how to program Controller Input... >-Larry >> Um. It does work in DOS. At least it does in Illinois :-)

>Just don't recal your wheel :) >BtW... Even the Win95 version won't recognize most of the buttons on the >MSFFW. It won't even recognize the damned shift paddles! The wheel comes with a profile for NascarRacing2 which works just fine. The paddles shift gears and the 6 buttons on the wheel are programed for the useful Function keys.

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>Someone needs to 'help' Papyrus learn how to program Controller Input... >-Larry >> Um. It does work in DOS. At least it does in Illinois :-)

Aha! I'll give this a try. Thanks :) It would still be better if Papy would pay attention to this area a bit better... -Larry > The wheel comes with a profile for NascarRacing2 which works > just fine. The paddles shift gears and the 6 buttons on the > wheel are programed for the useful Function keys.

> Aha! I'll give this a try. Thanks :) > It would still be better if Papy would pay attention to this area a bit > better... No way, if Papy set a standard somewhere (second to the car physics), it's the controller setup! If all racing sims/games would follow Papyrus concept, I'd have a much easier time switching between them... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Methinks you give them more credit than they deserve in this department :) Papy products are the _only_ products I've ever had controller problems with. Well, except for that TOTALLY stupid Test Drive 4, which doesn't even remember your controller settings between program launches. Now _that_ was stupid! -Larry > No way, if Papy set a standard somewhere (second to the car physics), > it's > the controller setup! If all racing sims/games would follow Papyrus > concept, > I'd have a much easier time switching between them...

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> Methinks you give them more credit than they deserve in this department > :) > Papy products are the _only_ products I've ever had controller problems > with. > Well, except for that TOTALLY stupid Test Drive 4, which doesn't even > remember your controller settings between program launches. Now _that_ > was stupid!

I consider NOT supporting split axis for gas and brakes a major flaw in the controller support. This was the case with most sims except Papy's... BTW, lots of people have problems with their controllers and Papy sims, but 99% are caused by the people... ;^) Of course, this one percent was my problem with MS FF wheel and N2! ;^) l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>I consider NOT supporting split axis for gas and brakes a major flaw in >the controller support. This was the case with most sims except >Papy's... So because papy supports split axis, they get an atta-boy? Huh. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> Ronald Stoehr wrote > >I consider NOT supporting split axis for gas and brakes a major flaw in > >the controller support. This was the case with most sims except > >Papy's... > So because papy supports split axis, they get an atta-boy? Huh. Hmm, yes. The split axis is just an example of the flexibility of Papy's setup. I could even use a joystick axis for shifting gears, try that in ANY other controller setup. Compare it to the braindead method in CPR: For each joystick button you have to select a game action, so only buttons can be used. Just give the user a list of game actions and let the user hit ANYTHING (well, almost) on his controllers. That way you can use ANY keyboard, button or axis for any game action. Duh. BTW, not supporting split axis in racing sims is as DUMB as not supporting a throttle in a flight sim...it's a MAJOR feature. l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Me too... -Larry > Of course, this one percent was my problem with MS FF wheel and N2! ;^)

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> Me too... > -Larry > > Of course, this one percent was my problem with MS FF wheel and N2!

Well, they added a DirectX option for the calibration and all problems are gone (besides getting on pole at C***te...) l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hey guys: Got Nascar 1999 the other day in the mail and cant seem to get NROS to work. It seems to load and then ask me for my sound card. I have a M80 Monster Sound and its not listed. After that it wont run. Any ideas???? Eric

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>Me too... >-Larry >> Of course, this one percent was my problem with MS FF wheel and N2! ;^)

NROS uses DOS exe's which can only be used for on-line racing on TEN. As such, you will need to run the sound set program (it should have automatically run when NROS was installed) to set up your soundcard. The problem is the MonsterSound cards will not work with games in a Windows DOS-box unless you have installed Diamond's SoundBlaster emulation utility (even then the support is shaky at best). You'll likely need to manually input these settings (you'll find them listed in the Sound, Video & Game Controllers section of the Device Manager) into the sound set, as it will not be able to autodetect them. Also keep in mind that the joystick port on the card will not work for DOS-box games, so you'll be stuck with keyboard controls. - Eric

>NROS uses DOS exe's which can only be used for on-line racing on TEN. >As such, you will need to run the sound set program (it should have >automatically run when NROS was installed) to set up your soundcard. >The problem is the MonsterSound cards will not work with games in a >Windows DOS-box unless you have installed Diamond's SoundBlaster Ya, what the hell is wrong with you EB. All htis stuff was clearly labeled on the box... Isn't it? :-) And thanks for the reply to my other question Eric, I'll certainly remember it. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >emulation utility (even then the support is shaky at best). You'll >likely need to manually input these settings (you'll find them listed >in the Sound, Video & Game Controllers section of the Device Manager) >into the sound set, as it will not be able to autodetect them. Also >keep in mind that the joystick port on the card will not work for >DOS-box games, so you'll be stuck with keyboard controls. >- Eric >>Hey guys: Got Nascar 1999 the other day in the mail and cant seem to >get >>NROS to work. It seems to load and then ask me for my sound card. I >have a >>M80 Monster Sound and its not listed. After that it wont run. Any >>ideas????

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>>NROS uses DOS exe's which can only be used for on-line racing on TEN. >>As such, you will need to run the sound set program (it should have >>automatically run when NROS was installed) to set up your soundcard. >>The problem is the MonsterSound cards will not work with games in a >>Windows DOS-box unless you have installed Diamond's SoundBlaster >Ya, what the hell is wrong with you EB. All htis stuff was clearly >labeled on the box... Isn't it?

I was talking to ebishop not Eric Busch. I just realized that they had the same initials. Opps :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >:-) >And thanks for the reply to my other question Eric, I'll certainly >remember it. >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >>emulation utility (even then the support is shaky at best). You'll >>likely need to manually input these settings (you'll find them listed >>in the Sound, Video & Game Controllers section of the Device Manager) >>into the sound set, as it will not be able to autodetect them. Also >>keep in mind that the joystick port on the card will not work for >>DOS-box games, so you'll be stuck with keyboard controls. >>- Eric >>>Hey guys: Got Nascar 1999 the other day in the mail and cant seem to >>get >>>NROS to work. It seems to load and then ask me for my sound card. I >>have a >>>M80 Monster Sound and its not listed. After that it wont run. Any >>>ideas????