MS FF Wheel OK for GPL?

Does anyone have any experience with this wheel? I'm not too worried about the FF part, more of the accuracy of the steering, etc. as MS doesn't use pots. I have a TM Sprint and an older TM Grand Prix. The Sprint has a definite "twitch" to it, the GP isn't bad, but I would like to move up in quality... So what's better, the MS FF or the high end TM stuff? Icer

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>Does anyone have any experience with this wheel? I'm not too worried >about the FF part, more of the accuracy of the steering, etc. as MS >doesn't use pots. I have a TM Sprint and an older TM Grand Prix. The >Sprint has a definite "twitch" to it, the GP isn't bad, but I would >like to move up in quality... So what's better, the MS FF or the high >end TM stuff? >Icer

I can't compare to the TM wheels, by my MS FF Wheel wor4ks great with GPL, and compares very favorably with my old TSW. In regards to accuracy and calibration, the MS optical pots are super. No twitches, spikes or calibration drift whatsoever. Regards, Krabby

I like it. the ability to switch back and forth easily from separated and combined brake and throttle on the pedals is nice. The wheel has a very slight racheting thing as you turn it (with the "return force" option set to off) that might be disturbing to some, but I got used to it and kind of like this feedback on slight steering motions. It's good with the higher resistance on also. Not sure which I like best. It has a lot of buttons and they all seem to be in good places. The shift paddles behind the wheel are particularly nice. The only ergonometric problem I have is keeping the clutch button (set up as one of the 6 buttons onthe wheel face) depressed with the wheel turned full when I'm finishing a slide. (I only do this when I'm, err, "Testing" the wheel, you see ;) - Matt

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> Does anyone have any experience with this wheel? I'm not too worried > about the FF part, more of the accuracy of the steering, etc. as MS > doesn't use pots. I have a TM Sprint and an older TM Grand Prix. The > Sprint has a definite "twitch" to it, the GP isn't bad, but I would > like to move up in quality... So what's better, the MS FF or the high > end TM stuff? > Icer

I like it. the ability to switch back and forth easily from separated and combined brake and throttle on the pedals is nice. The wheel has a very slight racheting thing as you turn it (with the "return force" option set to off) that might be disturbing to some, but I got used to it and kind of like this feedback on slight steering motions. It's good with the higher resistance on also. Not sure which I like best. It has a lot of buttons and they all seem to be in good places. The shift paddles behind the wheel are particularly nice. The onl ergonometric problem I have is keeping the clutch button (set up as one of the 6 buttons onthe wheel face) depressed with the wheel turned full when I'm finishing a slide. (I only do this when I'm, err, "Testing" the wheel, you see ;) - Matt

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> Does anyone have any experience with this wheel? I'm not too worried > about the FF part, more of the accuracy of the steering, etc. as MS > doesn't use pots. I have a TM Sprint and an older TM Grand Prix. The > Sprint has a definite "twitch" to it, the GP isn't bad, but I would > like to move up in quality... So what's better, the MS FF or the high > end TM stuff? > Icer

What about FF efectes ? Andreas Krabmeat schrieb:

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> >Does anyone have any experience with this wheel? I'm not too worried > >about the FF part, more of the accuracy of the steering, etc. as MS > >doesn't use pots. I have a TM Sprint and an older TM Grand Prix. The > >Sprint has a definite "twitch" to it, the GP isn't bad, but I would > >like to move up in quality... So what's better, the MS FF or the high > >end TM stuff? > >Icer > I can't compare to the TM wheels, by my MS FF Wheel wor4ks great with GPL, and > compares very favorably with my old TSW. > In regards to accuracy and calibration, the MS optical pots are super. No > twitches, spikes or calibration drift whatsoever. > Regards, > Krabby

>What about FF efectes ? >Andreas There are no FF effects in GPL (yet!) But the MS FF wheel has good effects as you can tell by the test forces screen. Jon Ballinger From Gamecenter on Trespasser - "Luckily, Anne has the top speed of a one-legged child with emphysema, so she's fair prey for a mildly determined raptor."

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:13:24 -0600, "Matthew V. Jessick" Just tried it for a few minutes in a demo setup in a shop, with Colin McRae Rallye. I only discovered the ForceFeedback on/off switch. With FF off, the wheel showed no self-centering "force" as it apparently has no springs like standard wheels, so it turns too easy. I certainly don't like this. Maybe there is an option to simulate standard springs - I don't know about it. With FF on, the wheel rattles. It also has strong resistance, which is nice and realistic (to me). But the FF effects are IMHO useless : few rattling on a smooth track, tough rattling off-track. The FF effects seem to be only a show, loosely related to the driving, and have no real feedback as drivers expect. So the GPL developers might have a point when they claim that FF is not ready yet for realistic feedback. But I hope in the future it gets much better. 6, atleast. Maybe a little small, but they have short travel and a "click" feedback. -- _____ /_______\ .\\ a t t h e a d I XT /~~~~ I 500\_____ 1977' Yamaha XT.Rex 500 Enduro \____/\__I_I http://matthead.home.pages.de/

> What about FF efectes ? Not yet, maybe never... ;^( l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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The feedback you get depends on the sim. Viper racing seems to have excellent ff effects with the wheel. I'm told the wheel gets loose as the tires lose grip. David G Fisher

They are all like that, as far as I know... -Larry > I only discovered the ForceFeedback on/off switch. > With FF off, the wheel showed no self-centering "force" as it > apparently has no springs like standard wheels, so it turns too easy. > I certainly don't like this. Maybe there is an option to simulate > standard springs - I don't know about it.

It's not the wheel, but the game programming. One of the best is Viper Racing. It gives a good feel of tire grip and slip, and even 'lightens' up as the front raises when power shifting. Well done.. MTM2 isn't half bad. NFS3 sucks. -Larry > With FF on, the wheel rattles. It also has strong resistance, which is > nice and realistic (to me). But the FF effects are IMHO useless : few > rattling on a smooth track, tough rattling off-track. The FF effects > seem to be only a show, loosely related to the driving, and have no > real feedback as drivers expect.

> I like it. the ability to switch back and forth easily from separated and > combined > brake and throttle on the pedals is nice. Yes, that's really great. None of that crawling under the desk nonsense to switch my CH Pedals from plane to car mode anymore... ;^) OTOH, now I have two pedal systems under my desk! It's getting crowded... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!