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2 posts by 2 people · 02 Nov 1998 - 05 Nov 1998

Mika Vannik 02 Nov 1998#432003
I think you are seeing the modeling of wheelspin that has reached its peak and suddenly allows no directional control whatsoever. This happens in real life as well. A case in point -------- drag racing. If you watch ----- as long as there is traction -- even to a small degree, there is still directional control and stabilization. BUT --- as soon as the rear tires break traction, and spin, then thigs get "hairy" and the directional control begins to leave because now there is speed with only the front of the vehicle with any traction whatsoever and rear tires are spinning and prehaps gripping in miniscule amounts one side or another ------- and when that happens --------- it will spit you either left or right. You can try this is a rear wheel drive car on ice everything is fine as long as the rear tires are maintaing some sore of traction -------- but floor it --------- and you are about to go on a wild ride in whatever direction the "gods" decide to send you. In this respect ------ GPL is VERY, VERY realistic. I have gone out in the FERRARI myself in the middle of the front straight at MONZA and done ZANARDI-type "doughnuts" and at slow speed floored it in a low gear, and believe me ------ the reaction you see is pretty much realistic to the real thing. Doug
Sorry Dan, but your off in your analysis. Let me explain. Limited slip differentials by nature/design have a LIMITED amount of slip. What this means in that the difference in rotational speeds of the two rear tires as it travels around a corner are accounted for and stay very close to the same speed regardless of traction. The adjustability within GPL is for the amount of slip allowed (I am assuming this because I dont have GPL). The good points of a limited slip diff is that when one wheel does lose traction the other wheel recieves the power, but if it also is overloaded with BHP it too will slip and you will have a very big loss of lateral traction/control as well as forward 'bite' as BOTH tires slide.. In a non limited slip car when the unloaded (inside) wheel loses traction, it just spins wildly while the outer wheel just tracks along, it is not recieving power. The good part of a non limited slip diff if that when the inside wheel does lose traction and break away, there are no additional forces transfered to the loaded (outer) wheel. This allows the outer wheel to maintain its lateral traction if it is not overloaded with said forces. For example: I live in Canada and often drive in snow. One winter I had a 5.0 Mustang (with a limited slip), when it would break loose it almost immediately broke traction of both real wheels at the same time. This is very hard to control and in a racing sim will lose you a lot of time as you have to back off to regain traction before continuing (assuming you don't spin). Another winter I had a Toyota Corrolla (older one with real wheel drive, but no limited slip). Man, I LOVED that car in the winter! I could go around corners at just about any slip angle I wanted as long as I didn't overload the outer wheel too much laterally, it was a beautiful car to 'REAR STEER'. Hope that helps clear things up. As you can see there are many instances when you can have to much limited slip, and a 'looser' setting would be beneficial (especially in low traction situations).

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