GPL Dealing with other cars!?

I can't help you. Everytime I hear that Ferrari comong up behind me I just pull over trembling. <G> -- Busch Carpentry "Plans?" ---------------- Busch Motorsports "Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward"

I'm DRIVING the ferrari, and it's roar scares me right off the track!! .. but seriously... I have the same problem as you.. as soon as I hear a car behind me, I tense up, and think how the heck did he just catch me - I just did me best lap ever!! "Don't crash.. don't crash.. come on.. nice and easy... make him pass me.. don't make a mistake for him gain a place so easily.." Next thing you know, I'm upside down over a fence!! doktorB http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl

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>Ok now I have to know... :) >How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >Am I just a bag of nerves? >It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >my mirror it's >9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >So I guess I need some tips :) >Thanks a lot!

...and more often than not, you're in the fence because the AI car rammed you up the rear end. Even when braking at the last possible moment or even later than possible (i.e., when you are going to go off the track), I still get hit from behind by AI cars quite frequently if they are following. I notice it particularly coming up to the Parabolica...and I know how to hold off on my braking quite well for that corner, so it's not because I'm moronically braking way to early for another driver to anticipate. Marc. >I'm DRIVING the ferrari, and it's roar scares me right off the track!! >.. but seriously... I have the same problem as you.. as soon as I hear a car

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>behind me, I tense up, and think how the heck did he just catch me - I just >did me best lap ever!! "Don't crash.. don't crash.. come on.. nice and >easy... make him pass me.. don't make a mistake for him gain a place so >easily.." >Next thing you know, I'm upside down over a fence!! >doktorB >http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl >>Ok now I have to know... :) >>How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >>Am I just a bag of nerves? >>It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >>my mirror it's >>9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >>So I guess I need some tips :) >>Thanks a lot!

Ok now I have to know... :) How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? Am I just a bag of nerves? It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in my mirror it's 9/10 off I go into the wall or something! So I guess I need some tips :) Thanks a lot! Paul..

This is when experience comes in. In real racing you can intimidate novice drivers into making mistakes by just staying in their mirrors. Usually the first time a driver leads a race he will make a mistake but after He's been in the lead a few times the confidence builds and he can cope with the pressure hopefully. Too bad the AI cars dont get nervous and make mistakes. Lutrell :-) DSR #74 http://www2.scca.com/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/photogal/dsr-74.jpg

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>Ok now I have to know... :) >How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >Am I just a bag of nerves? >It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >my mirror it's >9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >So I guess I need some tips :) >Thanks a lot! >Paul..

i normally don't need to worry that's probably the 1st place car coming to lap me :) Joe Conklin For Central PA Online Gamers: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/network/5312/ For Grand Prix Legends: http://members.xoom.com/gplegends/ remove spam to reply

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>Ok now I have to know... :) >How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >Am I just a bag of nerves? >It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >my mirror it's >9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >So I guess I need some tips :) >Thanks a lot! >Paul..

> ...and more often than not, you're in the fence because the AI car rammed > you up the rear end. Well, I have had that problem myself, and got so frustrated with it that I...compensated for it. Now I have to judge my braking not only for cars ahead of me, but behind me as well. I suppose this is Papy's way of making us aware of our surroundings. WIshing (like many of us, I suppose) I was old enough to have experienced these drivers and cars in the era simulated... - John P. Wilson :|: - Winner at Monza, Watkins Glen, and Kyalami - Downshift http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1123/index.html - Ten Cylinders, Six Gears, Four Wheels, Two Wings, and one Brave Heart.

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> Ok now I have to know... :) > How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? > Am I just a bag of nerves? > It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in > my mirror it's > 9/10 off I go into the wall or something! > So I guess I need some tips :) > Thanks a lot! > Paul..

Yep. I do excatly the same thing. I'm fine by myself, but as soon as I'm in a close race, I get the "race jitters" and go WAYYY to deep into a corner and loose it. I guess you can try ignoring the other cars as much as possible, and practise, practise, practise...

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> > Ok now I have to know... :) > > How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? > > Am I just a bag of nerves? > > It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car > in > > my mirror it's > > 9/10 off I go into the wall or something! > > So I guess I need some tips :) > > Thanks a lot! > > Paul.. > Yep. I do excatly the same thing. I'm fine by myself, but as soon as > I'm > in a close race, I get the "race jitters" and go WAYYY to deep into a > corner and loose it. I guess you can try ignoring the other cars as > much > as possible, and practise, practise, practise...

While you practice: find some visual reference points around the track for your turn-in and braking points. At least one on and one off the track...this way you'll know where you are without getting too desperate; AND: always leave a bit of room for error: If you are right behind somebody, they might brake a little sooner that you think!Always *plan* your passing and defensive moves. Try thinking ahead; what is possible before I finish the next segment? One example, say exiting Parabolica at Monza, with two cars up ahead, and more behind. You are quite close to the one in front of you. To make it complicated; here are some possibilities; 1) You have gotten a really good exit. So... a) You are likely to get a good draft from the ones in front of you. Check your mirrors to see if the guy behind you has been as good as you. You'll soon find out, but, stay concentrated on the ones in front. b) The straight coming up may be enough for passing the guy(s) in front, but remember: Your entry speed into C.Grande will be higher than usual, and you will probably stay a bit more to the right to defend your pass, and the guy you just passed will try to get a run at you out of C.Grande into Lesmo1 just because of this. Stay in the draft until you decide whether the pass will work, then commit to it. There is a point where you should get off the gas if you see that it won't happen. BUT- don't go all the way back to the ideal line, this will help the guy behind you to pass if you had to ease off. If he seems to be too far away, brake earlier and easier, and get back in line. The guy in front will be a bit upset, and normally make a bad entry. Go in wide, get a smooth exit, and try to get him into Lesmo1. The braking/downshift point into c.Grande is a little way into the dark "ideal line" on the left. If the pass was successful, slow down a bit in the middle of curva grande ( a BIT), so your opponent has to back off too, and destroy his attempt at drafting you down to Lesmo1. 2) Your exit sucked, So... You are going to get passed. Well- help him! Go over to the left, let him pass, check for more cars, and get back into his draft as quickly and smoothly as possible. Get on the ideal line, and check your mirrors. If you are lucky, you may catch up with him. Don't try blocking, it will be your own and several others retirement... Hope it helps... See ya'll online! Matt K

Hi Marc Too right - the AI in GPL are totally unrelaistic IMO. In some corners I'm much faster, in others they seem to to benefit from twice as much grip. I hope someone produces a patch soon so I can last a decent race length without getting shunted off.

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>...and more often than not, you're in the fence because the AI car rammed >you up the rear end. Even when braking at the last possible moment or even >later than possible (i.e., when you are going to go off the track), I still >get hit from behind by AI cars quite frequently if they are following. I >notice it particularly coming up to the Parabolica...and I know how to hold >off on my braking quite well for that corner, so it's not because I'm >moronically braking way to early for another driver to anticipate. >Marc. >>I'm DRIVING the ferrari, and it's roar scares me right off the track!! >>.. but seriously... I have the same problem as you.. as soon as I hear a >car >>behind me, I tense up, and think how the heck did he just catch me - I

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>>did me best lap ever!! "Don't crash.. don't crash.. come on.. nice and >>easy... make him pass me.. don't make a mistake for him gain a place so >>easily.." >>Next thing you know, I'm upside down over a fence!! >>doktorB >>http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl >>>Ok now I have to know... :) >>>How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >>>Am I just a bag of nerves? >>>It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >>>my mirror it's >>>9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >>>So I guess I need some tips :) >>>Thanks a lot!

I think everyone goes through this. It's coping with this pressure that makes online so much more fun... Seat time online is all you need. Two weeks ago, I started racing at VROC, and the first time I had a mirror-full of Ferrari, I just self destructed. Now, after a few online races, I truly relish being in human traffic. It's the unpredictability that's heads over racing against AI. Now, I only self destruct when I'm up front. ;) Don't expect too much right away. As with everything in this sim, seat time is the biggest key to improvement. The longer you do this, the more fun it gets! Good luck, and see ya online! Brett

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>I think everyone goes through this. It's coping with this pressure >that makes online so much more fun... Seat time online is all you >need. Two weeks ago, I started racing at VROC, and the first time I >had a mirror-full of Ferrari, I just self destructed. Now, after a >few online races, I truly relish being in human traffic. It's the >unpredictability that's heads over racing against AI. Now, I only >self destruct when I'm up front. ;)

No kidding...that was a *great* battle we had at Zandvoort! And then our Monza battles weren't too bad as well. You said it all right there. More seat time = better driving = more fun. Regards, Doc Wynne Technical Support & Network Services Support Engineering/dickson.net http://www.dickson.net -- Never a late apex, never a dull moment.

The only way to be able to brake for Parabolica with an AI on your tail and live to tell about is to brake very late (at the red sign to the left) and then downshift very fast to second gear, this will help shorten the braking distance. You also have to increase the brake pressure a little as the speed comes down in second gear. I can do it, not very often though, and my best at Monza is a 1:28.10 in the Lotus. /Christer

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> ...and more often than not, you're in the fence because the AI car rammed > you up the rear end. Even when braking at the last possible moment or even > later than possible (i.e., when you are going to go off the track), I still > get hit from behind by AI cars quite frequently if they are following. I > notice it particularly coming up to the Parabolica...and I know how to hold > off on my braking quite well for that corner, so it's not because I'm > moronically braking way to early for another driver to anticipate. > Marc. > >I'm DRIVING the ferrari, and it's roar scares me right off the track!! > >.. but seriously... I have the same problem as you.. as soon as I hear a > car > >behind me, I tense up, and think how the heck did he just catch me - I just > >did me best lap ever!! "Don't crash.. don't crash.. come on.. nice and > >easy... make him pass me.. don't make a mistake for him gain a place so > >easily.." > >Next thing you know, I'm upside down over a fence!! > >doktorB > >http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl > >>Ok now I have to know... :) > >>How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? > >>Am I just a bag of nerves? > >>It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in > >>my mirror it's > >>9/10 off I go into the wall or something! > >>So I guess I need some tips :) > >>Thanks a lot!

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I have found wearing a nappy has a very calming effect on me! :)

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> Ok now I have to know... :) > How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? > Am I just a bag of nerves? > It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in > my mirror it's > 9/10 off I go into the wall or something! > So I guess I need some tips :) > Thanks a lot! > Paul..

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How do you do that? I am braking at the absolute last possible moment/point on the track to not fly off the corner and I still get shunted by the AI cars. The only way I can avoid getting shunted is to move off line to the right, which then allows the car with the apparently vastly superior brakes to go by on my left. And, just in case anyone is wondering, this is happening with hot tires. Marc.

And what is the effect if we follow an AI car that closely and shunt it? It sounds like perfection is the only way to avoid being hit by the AI on a relatively simple stretch of track at Monza. Which sounds disturbingly like Microsoft CART:PR to me. Marc. >The only way to be able to brake for Parabolica with an AI on your tail and live >to tell about is to brake very late (at the red sign to the left) and then >downshift very fast to second gear, this will help shorten the braking distance. >You also have to increase the brake pressure a little as the speed comes down in

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>second gear. I can do it, not very often though, and my best at Monza is a >1:28.10 in the Lotus. >/Christer >> ...and more often than not, you're in the fence because the AI car rammed >> you up the rear end. Even when braking at the last possible moment or

even >> later than possible (i.e., when you are going to go off the track), I still >> get hit from behind by AI cars quite frequently if they are following. I >> notice it particularly coming up to the Parabolica...and I know how to hold

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>> off on my braking quite well for that corner, so it's not because I'm >> moronically braking way to early for another driver to anticipate. >> Marc. >> >I'm DRIVING the ferrari, and it's roar scares me right off the track!! >> >.. but seriously... I have the same problem as you.. as soon as I hear a >> car >> >behind me, I tense up, and think how the heck did he just catch me - I

just

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>> >did me best lap ever!! "Don't crash.. don't crash.. come on.. nice and >> >easy... make him pass me.. don't make a mistake for him gain a place so >> >easily.." >> >Next thing you know, I'm upside down over a fence!! >> >doktorB >> >http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl >> >>Ok now I have to know... :) >> >>How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? >> >>Am I just a bag of nerves? >> >>It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in >> >>my mirror it's >> >>9/10 off I go into the wall or something! >> >>So I guess I need some tips :) >> >>Thanks a lot! >-- >[link lost in import: /~w-41236/] (Read all about the "Global online >racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause

noone >has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).

>How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? I try to relax and take it a bit EASY for a few seconds ... just don't make a mistake. It's better to slow down a bit and make a nice clean line, it's hard for them to pass you if you don't***up your line. Joe

>How do you do that? Well, you're about to tell me below... :-) That's exactly what I do, only I've noticed I only have to do it for the Brabhams and the Eagles. Everyone else brakes like I do (I usually have 60/40 bias). I move to the side just enough that I won't get rear-ended, but not so much that the driver can get by. I can really only explain it like that.... Normally I don't have that problem, since I'm passing more than being passed. :-) - John P. Wilson :|: - Downshift http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1123/index.html - Ten Cylinders, Six Gears, Four Wheels, Two Wings, and one Brave Heart.

Exchange the Ferrari-Sound file ferrari.wav with a silent wav file. Then, in graphic options, deactivate mirrors. Have some wheat, lay on some Reggea-music, and cruise, Rasta Maan. Peace.

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> I have found wearing a nappy has a very calming effect on me! :) > > Ok now I have to know... :) > > How do you guys cope with the pressure of cars in your mirror? > > Am I just a bag of nerves? > > It seems everytime I hear the roar of the ferrari and see a red car in > > my mirror it's > > 9/10 off I go into the wall or something! > > So I guess I need some tips :) > > Thanks a lot! > > Paul..

I also find that goggles and a white scarf trailing over my back work well too : ) -- Busch Carpentry "Plans?" ---------------- Busch Motorsports "Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward"