Where to find GPL online races???

Alison, John and the rest of the VROC team are doing VROC on their own time (they have real life day jobs) and for free. Be glad that they are generous enough to provide this for us free of charge, and without some alterior motive like Micro$oft's Internet Game Zone had at the time when it only allowed IE users to connect. The VROC team is not doing this to try and force *you* to use Netscape, but because they haven't worked out all the bugs and features in the current version that works on Netscape, and want to get that done before porting it to IE and having to fix different bugs on two different platforms at once. This makes great sense to anyone with experience working on programming projects for multiple platforms... If you can't wait in the meantime, instead of posting comments like that, why not spend the relatively small amount of time to download Netscape and race on VROC... both VROC and Netscape are free, and Netscape will not take over your Windows operating system, but live happily along side IE, you only have to use it for VROC and can uninstall once IE VROC is available. Otherwise *you* are always welcome to hurry up and come up with own version of IE compatible VROC for us. Let us know when you finish it. But do it fast.. we want it yesterday...what are you still reading this for... finish it now.. :-) for the humour impaired... Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva (not associated with VROC at all, but I know when to appreciate something nice that these people have spent lots of their own time to provide to us for free) >I would like it better if VROC would just hurry up and support IE 4.0...

Amen to that. It's a lousy 10Mb DL. If people have the bandwidth to try and race online they certainly have enough to get Netscape. Still, complaining's a lot easier than racing, so I can't say I blame them for*** onto this paper-thin excuse ;-) Andrew "Why am I last again?" McP

.. actually Andrew I have been racing quite a lot. Just not on VROC. Unfortunately there isnt any alternative to VROC currently so I am forced to wait at this point. Maybe TEN will have a place for us to race in the near future, but until then I am patiently (did I say patiently?) waiting on VROC.

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>> (not associated with VROC at all, but I know when to appreciate >> something nice that these people have spent lots of their own time >> to provide to us for free) >Amen to that. It's a lousy 10Mb DL. If people have the bandwidth to try >and race online they certainly have enough to get Netscape. >Still, complaining's a lot easier than racing, so I can't say I blame them >for*** onto this paper-thin excuse ;-) >Andrew "Why am I last again?" McP

John, I am not on some Microsoft bandwagon, nor am I un-appreciative of the efforts of anyone associated with VROC's development. I guess the real fear is the installation of Netscape on a new Win98 Web enhanced desktop. I am not as confident as you that the two will co-exist happily as you state and that there may be consequences that linger after their removal. I do not wish to start some childish flame war.. just wanted to express myself and voice something that others may be feeling as well. I hope this isnt taken the wrong way.. I too work for a living and am under deadlines that must be met... so no explanation is necessary. Once again my apologies if there are any hard feelings. >Alison, John and the rest of the VROC team are doing VROC on their own >time (they have real life day jobs) and for free. >Be glad that they are generous enough to provide this for us free of charge,

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>and without some alterior motive like Micro$oft's Internet Game Zone had >at the time when it only allowed IE users to connect. >The VROC team is not doing this to try and force *you* to use Netscape, but >because they haven't worked out all the bugs and features in the current >version that works on Netscape, and want to get that done before porting >it to IE and having to fix different bugs on two different platforms at

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>This makes great sense to anyone with experience working on programming >projects for multiple platforms... >If you can't wait in the meantime, instead of posting comments like that, >why not spend the relatively small amount of time to download Netscape and >race on VROC... both VROC and Netscape are free, and Netscape will not >take over your Windows operating system, but live happily along side IE, >you only have to use it for VROC and can uninstall once IE VROC is

available. >Otherwise *you* are always welcome to hurry up and come up with own version >of IE compatible VROC for us. Let us know when you finish it. But do it fast.. >we want it yesterday...what are you still reading this for... finish it now..

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>:-) for the humour impaired... >Seeyas on the track. >--John (Joao) Silva >(not associated with VROC at all, but I know when to appreciate something >nice that these people have spent lots of their own time to provide to us >for free) >>I would like it better if VROC would just hurry up and support IE 4.0...

Already having problems with the new release of Netscape and Win 98 seems the NEtscape doesnt ever want to completely shutdown when you think you've exited its still chewing mem up in the background . Ctl+Alt+Del and close program box is all that will shut it off completely . -- David Hudson "Gambler 1" Team 3DFX NROS Racing Team http://www.groupz.net/~augusta/team3d/3dfx.htm Director of ARSE Online Racing League http://www.groupz.net/~augusta/arse2/stats/arse2.htm >John, >I am not on some Microsoft bandwagon, nor am I un-appreciative of the >efforts of anyone associated with VROC's development. I guess the real fear >is the installation of Netscape on a new Win98 Web enhanced desktop. I am >not as confident as you that the two will co-exist happily as you state and >that there may be consequences that linger after their removal.

I use IE 4.01 as my main browser. After Vroc, I downloaded Netscape 4.07, and it has been running fine with my system. It also seems to shut down completely when I close it, I did ctrl-alt-del, and did not seen anything running that wasn't before I launched Netscape. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten AOLL Iroc Administrator >Already having problems with the new release of Netscape and Win 98 >seems the NEtscape doesnt ever want to completely shutdown when you think >you've exited its still chewing mem up in the background . Ctl+Alt+Del and >close program >box is all that will shut it off completely . >-- >David Hudson >"Gambler 1" >Team 3DFX NROS Racing Team >http://www.groupz.net/~augusta/team3d/3dfx.htm >Director of ARSE Online Racing League >http://www.groupz.net/~augusta/arse2/stats/arse2.htm >>John, >>I am not on some Microsoft bandwagon, nor am I un-appreciative of the >>efforts of anyone associated with VROC's development. I guess the real fear >>is the installation of Netscape on a new Win98 Web enhanced desktop. I am >>not as confident as you that the two will co-exist happily as you state and >>that there may be consequences that linger after their removal.

On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:15:09 -0400, "Gambler1" >Already having problems with the new release of Netscape and Win 98 >seems the NEtscape doesnt ever want to completely shutdown when you think >you've exited its still chewing mem up in the background . Ctl+Alt+Del and >close program box is all that will shut it off completely . It's not Netscape, it's the VROC java code doing this. I've already written to Allison about this, and it may be fixed by the time you read this. It's done it consistently on my system with Netscape 4.04, 4.05, 4.07, and now with 4.5. As long as I don't either host a race or join a race from the VROC pages, Netscape unloads fine. I have Netscape on my system as a primary browser, but use IE 4 as well, since I need to see how web pages look under both. They co-exist just fine. If you're using IE 4 as your primary, you can install and run Netscape, just make sure the first time you run Netscape to answer the dialog box about making Netscape your default browser "No", and check the box telling it not to check again. IE 4 will work just as it's always worked. Hope this helps! Doc Wynne Technical Support & Network Services Support Engineering/dickson.net http://www.dickson.net -- Never a late apex, never a dull moment.

Hmmm... Seems like some people haven't yet tried VROC... well there's still "the Grandstand" on my page. It's sitting kind of desolate nowdays since VROC launched! Don't forget about it. If you're PLANNING on hosting a race at a certain time/date, leave a message in the MessageBook with all the details. If there's nobody in the chat window, either wait around (might be a long wait these days, as everyone's on VROC), or if you really have to, load up the VROC page in Explorer and use the CHAT to find out what IP#'s are hosting. doktorB Seems "the Grandstand" is going the way of some of the old GPL tracks!! Say it ain't so! ---- >.. actually Andrew I have been racing quite a lot. Just not on VROC. >Unfortunately there isnt any alternative to VROC currently so I am forced to

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>wait at this point. >Maybe TEN will have a place for us to race in the near future, but until >then I am patiently (did I say patiently?) waiting on VROC. >>> (not associated with VROC at all, but I know when to appreciate >>> something nice that these people have spent lots of their own time >>> to provide to us for free) >>Amen to that. It's a lousy 10Mb DL. If people have the bandwidth to try >>and race online they certainly have enough to get Netscape. >>Still, complaining's a lot easier than racing, so I can't say I blame them >>for*** onto this paper-thin excuse ;-) >>Andrew "Why am I last again?" McP

Hi Tom, Actually I hope you didn't take me too seriously there, it was meant to be more an informative tongue-and-cheek post than any sort of flame, if it sounded like that then I apologize, I tried to throw the :-) just to make sure, but I know how hard it is to convey my smart-ass attitude over text sometimes :-) I've had experience myself making freeware utilities available and then dealing with some very demanding users of these free utilities, who sometimes demand too much support for some of these free things we develop on our own time and make available out on the net. Sometimes these "innocent" impatient comments from some users sound worse than they are meant and hit the wrong nerve and make it seem that the users out there are unappreciative. I just didn't want the VROC team to get the idea that we were anything but very appreciative of all their hard work. As far as I know you should be able to download the "Navigator" version of Netscape and install it without it changing any part of your Win98 desktop or environment other than plopping it's Icon on the desktop, with the only possibility that it may start by default it's AOL-Messaging client (similar to ICQ) which you can then tell not to show again after the first time it pops up and it should then never bother you again. I run Windows98 here too although without the Web Desktop feature turned on, and I have had no problems having Netscape available alongside IE, you can even tell it to leave IE as the default browser for .html files. At least that is my experience with Win98/Netscape so far, maybe some others running it with the Web Desktop active can chime in here and verify. Again, sorry if it sounded like I was flaming you, I'm just a joking smart-ass and text gets me in trouble sometimes, I really wanted to let people know that you don't have to wait for IE VROC to enjoy going wheel to wheel online. Hope to seeya on the track soon. --John (Joao) Silva

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>John, >I am not on some Microsoft bandwagon, nor am I un-appreciative of the >efforts of anyone associated with VROC's development. I guess the real fear >is the installation of Netscape on a new Win98 Web enhanced desktop. I am >not as confident as you that the two will co-exist happily as you state and >that there may be consequences that linger after their removal. >I do not wish to start some childish flame war.. just wanted to express >myself and voice something that others may be feeling as well. I hope this >isnt taken the wrong way.. I too work for a living and am under deadlines >that must be met... so no explanation is necessary. >Once again my apologies if there are any hard feelings. >>Alison, John and the rest of the VROC team are doing VROC on their own >>time (they have real life day jobs) and for free. >>Be glad that they are generous enough to provide this for us free of >charge, >>and without some alterior motive like Micro$oft's Internet Game Zone had >>at the time when it only allowed IE users to connect. >>The VROC team is not doing this to try and force *you* to use Netscape, but >>because they haven't worked out all the bugs and features in the current >>version that works on Netscape, and want to get that done before porting >>it to IE and having to fix different bugs on two different platforms at >once. >>This makes great sense to anyone with experience working on programming >>projects for multiple platforms... >>If you can't wait in the meantime, instead of posting comments like that, >>why not spend the relatively small amount of time to download Netscape and >>race on VROC... both VROC and Netscape are free, and Netscape will not >>take over your Windows operating system, but live happily along side IE, >>you only have to use it for VROC and can uninstall once IE VROC is >available. >>Otherwise *you* are always welcome to hurry up and come up with own version >>of IE compatible VROC for us. Let us know when you finish it. But do it >fast.. >>we want it yesterday...what are you still reading this for... finish it >now.. >>:-) for the humour impaired... >>Seeyas on the track. >>--John (Joao) Silva >>(not associated with VROC at all, but I know when to appreciate something >>nice that these people have spent lots of their own time to provide to us >>for free) >>>I would like it better if VROC would just hurry up and support IE 4.0...

- That shows an understanding of the "problem". While this... ...showed someone being impatient when there's working code available for the sake of a small DL and a little extra HD space. There's no intention to flame anyone, merely to emphasise that no-one has to wait in the pits when they can be out on the race track with a lot of other people *today* :-) The Grandstand's a useful asset for the online racing community as well, but VROC seems to be the place to go if you want to see RAS online. Of course that's probably a good excuse for using the Grandstand or ICQ ;-) Andrew McP