GPL - Freezing

Hey all, I was doing fine for the last few days, no freezes but today I am starting to get the screen freeze, sound stays problem some of you have been reporting. Any solutions as of yet? my sys is as follows P2 - 266 64megs monster 3d 2- 12meg - last diamond updated drivers (not the ref. drivers from 3dfx) sblaster 16 Thanks for any help, anyone heard anything about this from papy? Cyriel

I'm having the same problem :( Just bought a Monster3DII (Voodoo 2) 12 meg, and my computer also freezes. I had Orchid Righteous Voodoo1 card and it worked fine. Any Ideas.

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>Hey all, >I was doing fine for the last few days, no freezes but today I am >starting to get the screen freeze, sound stays problem some of you >have been reporting. Any solutions as of yet? my sys is as follows >P2 - 266 >64megs >monster 3d 2- 12meg - last diamond updated drivers (not the ref. >drivers from 3dfx) >sblaster 16 >Thanks for any help, anyone heard anything about this from papy? >Cyriel

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> Hey all, > I was doing fine for the last few days, no freezes but today I am > starting to get the screen freeze, sound stays problem some of you > have been reporting. Any solutions as of yet? my sys is as follows > P2 - 266 > 64megs > monster 3d 2- 12meg - last diamond updated drivers (not the ref. > drivers from 3dfx) > sblaster 16 > Thanks for any help, anyone heard anything about this from papy? > Cyriel

I'd be interested in know what motherboard you have, and whether you're overclocking it. I have this problem as well, with an Abit LX6. -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound will continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the game then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close program box" to get out of the program completely. Win 98 DFI BX motherboard P2 - 266 64 megs monster 3d 2- 12 meg - have tried the 3dfx Ref, and both of Diamonds drivers sblaster 32 Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. Andy

Kill your screen saver...

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> The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound will > continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the game > then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and > close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close > program box" to get out of the program completely. > Win 98 > DFI BX motherboard > P2 - 266 > 64 megs > monster 3d 2- 12 meg - have tried the 3dfx Ref, and both of Diamonds > drivers > sblaster 32 > Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. > Andy

Overclocking the Voodoo 2 made GPL lock up in a couple of seconds/minutes. I'm now running the V2 at 90 Mhz. No probs. Win 95 ASUS mb P2 266 Voodoo II 8Mb 96 Mb SoundBlaster 32 Matrox Mill. II graphics /petern

> Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. I suffered from this too, until I replaced my mobo and CPU (okay, so I wanted an upgrade anyway!). Are you overclocking? I think PCI bus speed may be a factor here. -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Uh... I also have this happen. I have no screen saver running. 200MMX Canopus Total3d (Rendition Verite'1000) w/ latest reference drivers 32meg EDO Win 95 SoundBlaster 16 Any help is appreciated Tony Joy

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> Kill your screen saver... > > The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound > will > > continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the > game > > then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and > > close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close > > program box" to get out of the program completely. > > Win 98 > > DFI BX motherboard > > P2 - 266 > > 64 megs > > monster 3d 2- 12 meg - have tried the 3dfx Ref, and both of > Diamonds > > drivers > > sblaster 32 > > Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. > > Andy

>> The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound will >> continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the game >> then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and >> close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close >> program box" to get out of the program completely. SNIP I have the same problem, my V2 is not overcloked and the game freezes after a few minutes of play, but it looks that ONLY the display is freezing, because the sound will reflect exactly what I'm doing up to the moment at wich I'll hit a wall or break. And I can terminate the program with Alt Ctrl Del and then restart the game. No need to reboot And the same problem occurs with Monaco Grand Prix Racing but with this one the whole thing freeze (sound image and all) and I must reboot. I did not find any solution yet. John

Same thing with my Canopus total 3d (V1000). Tonight I got pixel dust screens repainting over and over, very slowly. The hard drive light was also blinking.

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> >> The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound > will > >> continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the > game > >> then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" > and > >> close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close > >> program box" to get out of the program completely. > SNIP > >Overclocking the Voodoo 2 made GPL lock up in a couple of > seconds/minutes. I'm > >now running the V2 at 90 Mhz. No probs. > SNIP > >/petern > I have the same problem, my V2 is not overcloked and the game freezes > after a > few minutes of play, but it looks that ONLY the display is freezing, > because > the sound will reflect exactly what I'm doing up to the moment at wich > I'll > hit a wall or break. And I can terminate the program with Alt Ctrl Del > and > then restart the game. No need to reboot > And the same problem occurs with Monaco Grand Prix Racing but with > this one > the whole thing freeze (sound image and all) and I must reboot. > I did not find any solution yet. > John

I solved a very similar problem (sometimes was dropped back to the desktop, sometimes screen frozen and sound continouing) by setting my RAM timing from 60 to 70 ns (who laughs? there ARE still some old MoBos out there....) I lost about 1-2 fps, but the sim is now absolutely rock solid! :-) Jrgen Pilsl

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> The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound will > continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the game > then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and > close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close > program box" to get out of the program completely. > Win 98 > DFI BX motherboard > P2 - 266 > 64 megs > monster 3d 2- 12 meg - have tried the 3dfx Ref, and both of Diamonds > drivers > sblaster 32 > Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. > Andy

Well, the mistery continues and it's happening to me too but, maybe this helps: Until last week, I had a PII 300 on a QDI LX MB with 128 Mb and 8Mb V2. No problems with GPL at all. Then I changed round to a new QDI LX MB (I own a shop and like to turn the stock around!!), fitted a 12 Mb V2 and PII 333. Now EXACTLY the same probs as you guys are having. New drivers, PCI configs in BIOS, nothing I have tried has sorted it. Simon Page.

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>Same thing with my Canopus total 3d (V1000). Tonight I got pixel dust >screens repainting over and over, very slowly. The hard drive light was >also blinking. >> >> The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound >> will >> >> continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the >> game >> >> then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" >> and >> >> close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close >> >> program box" to get out of the program completely. >> SNIP >> >Overclocking the Voodoo 2 made GPL lock up in a couple of >> seconds/minutes. I'm >> >now running the V2 at 90 Mhz. No probs. >> SNIP >> >/petern >> I have the same problem, my V2 is not overcloked and the game freezes >> after a >> few minutes of play, but it looks that ONLY the display is freezing, >> because >> the sound will reflect exactly what I'm doing up to the moment at wich >> I'll >> hit a wall or break. And I can terminate the program with Alt Ctrl Del >> and >> then restart the game. No need to reboot >> And the same problem occurs with Monaco Grand Prix Racing but with >> this one >> the whole thing freeze (sound image and all) and I must reboot. >> I did not find any solution yet. >> John

Please remove the usual from my address to reply! Simon Page Dereham Computer Services D2 Computer Services http://people.netcom.co.uk/spage

Well...I tried changing to 70 ns. Still locked up. What's the thinking on PCI bus speed as an issue?

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> I solved a very similar problem (sometimes was dropped back to the > desktop, sometimes screen frozen and sound continouing) by setting my > RAM timing from 60 to 70 ns (who laughs? there ARE still some old MoBos > out there....) > I lost about 1-2 fps, but the sim is now absolutely rock solid! > :-) > Jrgen Pilsl > > The game will freeze after running for about 10 min. but the sound will > > continue on. I can use the windows key on my keyboard to exit the game > > then I have to ctrl-alt-del to get into the "close program box" and > > close the papy window, I have to do the same to gpl in the "close > > program box" to get out of the program completely. > > Win 98 > > DFI BX motherboard > > P2 - 266 > > 64 megs > > monster 3d 2- 12 meg - have tried the 3dfx Ref, and both of Diamonds > > drivers > > sblaster 32 > > Thanks for any help. This is starting to look like a bug. > > Andy

-- Thanks, Tony Joy joyaw at ibm dot net (you know what to do here)

> What's the thinking on PCI bus speed as an issue? Well..it has to do with how your mobo deals with your bus speeds. With chipsets prior to BX, which introduced the 100Mhz front-side bus, your PCI bus runs at your bus speed (normally 66Mhz) divided by 2. The PCI bus is designed to run at 33Mhz. Running at 75Mhz bus means it runs at 37.5, at 83 it's running at 41.5. This may be causing Voodoo2 cards some anguish. With the BX boards, and 100Mhz front-side bus, the PCI speed is divided by 3 rather than 2, producing the required 33Mhz. I've cured my freezing problems by moving from an Abit LX6 running at 83Mhz to an Abit BH6 running at 100Mhz. -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Hmmm, I think you're on the right tracks here but it doesn't explain why it didn't lock with my old LX Mb, PII 300 and 8 Mb V2 but does with a new LX Mb, PII 333 and 12 Mb V2.. I admit, changing all possible BIOS setting to minimal timings, it improves the problem but it still locks eventually. Simon Page. On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:18:05 -0500, Neil Yeatman

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>> What's the thinking on PCI bus speed as an issue? >Well..it has to do with how your mobo deals with your bus speeds. With >chipsets prior to BX, which introduced the 100Mhz front-side bus, your >PCI bus runs at your bus speed (normally 66Mhz) divided by 2. The PCI >bus is designed to run at 33Mhz. Running at 75Mhz bus means it runs at >37.5, at 83 it's running at 41.5. This may be causing Voodoo2 cards >some anguish. >With the BX boards, and 100Mhz front-side bus, the PCI speed is divided >by 3 rather than 2, producing the required 33Mhz. >I've cured my freezing problems by moving from an Abit LX6 running at >83Mhz to an Abit BH6 running at 100Mhz. >-- >Neil Yeatman >Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Please remove the usual from my address to reply! Simon Page Dereham Computer Services D2 Computer Services http://people.netcom.co.uk/spage

% Well...I tried changing to 70 ns. Still locked up. % What's the thinking on PCI bus speed as an issue? If it's only locking up in 3DFX games, trying lowering the clock speed on your 3d card. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=