GPL - Frustration Starts

I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too busy trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" (sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in control. Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? Tony

I just ran 3 laps at Monza, the last lap was clean and 1:39.61 After analyzing my laps I noticed that I made a couple of mistakes: 1. letting go of the throttle in all corners 2. pressing brake and/or throttle too hard 3. wasn't building up my speed, but just as fast as I could go. 4. I was trying to avoid mistakes (most important one!!!) so that 3rd lap I tried to: - hold my foot on the throttle (gently !),and your car will go easier thru a corner (at 1st a strange feeling) - brake earlier then I would like to do, but this way I approach a corner with confidence (cause it I still control it) - when starting a lap, just drive on 80% of your speed, so you can control your car, and you won't trash it in the 1st corner! - try to concentrate on the next 25 meters, and get your car in postions for that corner/straith/etc. Hope it helps, Bart

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> I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too busy > trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying > to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a > realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" > (sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in > control. > Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a > clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? > Tony

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take a lap to warm your tires up. Run with less fuel than the default setup. Brake before you get into a corner. Run behind a slower car and watch his line and braking. Most important, laps, laps and more laps. You must know the track Regards Michael

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>I just ran 3 laps at Monza, the last lap was clean and 1:39.61 >After analyzing my laps I noticed that I made a couple of mistakes: >1. letting go of the throttle in all corners >2. pressing brake and/or throttle too hard >3. wasn't building up my speed, but just as fast as I could go. >4. I was trying to avoid mistakes (most important one!!!) >so that 3rd lap I tried to: >- hold my foot on the throttle (gently !),and your car will go easier >thru a corner (at 1st a strange feeling) >- brake earlier then I would like to do, but this way I approach a >corner with confidence (cause it I still control it) >- when starting a lap, just drive on 80% of your speed, so you can >control your car, and you won't trash it in the 1st corner! >- try to concentrate on the next 25 meters, and get your car in postions >for that corner/straith/etc. >Hope it helps, >Bart >> I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too

busy >> trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying >> to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a >> realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" >> (sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in >> control. >> Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a

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>> clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? >> Tony >-- >----- >MISSING - do you recognize these people? http://www.tros.com/vermist >VERMIST - herkent u deze mensen? http://www.tros.com/vermist

start slow, 2 laps to warm tires lift off gas before braking to allow car to settle brake only at about 25 percent start braking earlier than skids in some corners wait until straight to get on gas start slow and then go a little faster each time

Hey, I managed one clean lap around Kyalami yesterday. Almost fell out of my chair and then crashed because I was so amazed! This is going to take a lot of practice!!

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> I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too busy > trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying > to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a > realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" > (sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in > control. > Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a > clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? > Tony

I just drove a complete Pro Race (long), 22 laps, at Monza in the Lotus, 15 AI, without any helps whatsoever. Mind you the Lotus is hard to keep in one piece if you do the gear changes yourself. I know, cause I have had a lot of engines not surviving many laps, but finally I'm kind to the engine :o). In that race I had four laps in a row within one tenth of a second, the fastest of the four was a 1:29.72 and the slowest was a 1:29.81. The 1:29.72 was also the fastest lap of the race and I finished 7. I also had 8 laps in a row within 0.7 seconds and 14 laps in a row within 1.5 seconds. If you want my setup, then just email me :o). /Christer -- http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).

1. Try the BRM at Monza; or at the Glen remembering that the road camber means you always want to turn only on the inside of the road. 2. Try going to one clutch. bob (fellow novice)

If you really want a clean lap go around in second gear medium revs and slow down a bit in parabolica ;o). /Christer

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> I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too busy > trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying > to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a > realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" > (sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in > control. > Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a > clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? > Tony

-- http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).

Hi, I only have the demo, but at the Glen I find the cars have a natural tendency to understeer with a snap oversteer when the pedal is lifted, and this can be used to great advantage through fast corners. The art of modulating throttle pressure and its response in this sim is one of the reasons that makes it so popular with those who have actually driven an openwheeler at speed. Chris Porter >I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too busy >trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying >to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a >realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" >(sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in >control. >Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just a >clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? >Tony

says... I finally managed a clean lap there yesterday as well. I also did a really cool four wheel drift at that 3rd gear chicane, it even left skid marks around half the corner! Later, John

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>>I'm surprised how much posting is going on. Would think everyone is too >busy >>trying to complete a clean lap to worry about this ng ;). I'm still trying >>to learn how to keep any of these beasts going forward... If this is a >>realistic simulation - I wonder how much difference the "acceleration" >>(sideways as well) feedback had on the 1967 drivers ability to keep in >>control. >>Any suggestions on how to complete a full lap - any track - any car - just >a >>clean lap? I'm thinking of big front ARB's to induce understeer and ??? >>Tony

Pick a track (I chose the Glen for simplicity) and a car (I chose the Brabham for its driveability - the powerband is very wide) and GRADUALLY build up speed. Start braking very early, try to get a rhythm going, and STOP TRYING TO GO FAST - it will come. Amazingly enough, you will gradually see your times come down and will stop throwing the car off the track so much. Well, that's how it worked for me :) I can't tell you how stunned I was to see my times gradually come down to a very consistent 1:14, with a best time in the 1:13 bracket. Granted, it's still a ways off from the really quick guys, but it was immensely satisfying to finally feel like I was getting the hang of things. Honestly, I believe that GPL would be more than worth the money if they only gave us one car, one track, and no competition - the driving model is that satisfying once you start to get the hang of it. Rick

>start slow, 2 laps to warm tires >lift off gas before braking to allow car to settle >brake only at about 25 percent >start braking earlier than skids in some corners Hmmmm. I've done a 1.29.5 at Monza, so my laptime is ok for the moment, however... In a race, it's very difficult to avoid being rearended by an AI driver. In my experience it's necessary to brake a LOT later then where the skid-marks begin...In a race, that is. Remco

> I finally managed a clean lap there yesterday as well. I also did a > really cool four wheel drift at that 3rd gear chicane, it even left skid > marks around half the corner! Congrat's on the clean lap. A four wheel drift, however, is not a skid. Even though skids feel fast, you're scrubbing off a lot of speed. In a turn, the tire track takes an angle to the plane of rotation. Up to a point, lateral force increases with slip angle. The contact patch itself is still stuck to the ground in a slip; the tire deforms around it, forcing the tire track to the outside of the turn. Beyond that point, the contact patch is sliding, similar to spinning while accelerating, and lateral force decreases. This is what makes the skid marks when you slide instead of drift. A well balanced car should be accelerating as it drifts. Check your replay and see if this is not the case. You want a bit of neutral throttle oversteer coming out of a corner. As you roll the power back on at apex, weight shifts back over the rears and balance is restored. The car then naturally unwinds itself to the turn exit. When done right, it doesn't feel fast at all. All four wheels are pointing straight ahead, and the car is accelerating as it drifts to the outside track edge. But then, what do I know? I'm still struggling to break 1:30 at Monza. I think it'll happen when I manage to get the power down out of Lesmo 2. The setup is working great everywhere else, but goes into snap oversteer if I don't release the wheel just right when getting on the juice. Have fun. I wouldn't like this game half as much if it were easy. Michael.

> Well, that's how it worked for me :) I can't tell you how stunned I was to > see my times gradually come down to a very consistent 1:14, with a best time > in the 1:13 bracket. Granted, it's still a ways off from the really quick That's what I average but when I looking at my lap records it tells me I did a 1:10, how I managed that I don't know.