disappointing.
* no in-depth discussion of who the heck all of these drivers are.
sure, we all know who the gurney's and clark's are, but who are the
no-namers at the back of the field?
* no mention of the ferrari anywhere to be seen. sacrilege.
* NO PRINTED COURSE MAPS!!!!!!!!!! they sit there and talk about each
turn but don't show it?! if i am reading in bed, how the heck do i know
what the heck turn they are saying to keep an eye out for. masta kink?
great. i guess that i'll take a look in the morning. of course, i
wouldn't have to IF THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND PUT THE MAPS IN THE
BOOK!!!!!!!
uh, oh. here comes the wrath of the two-headed moron, john y menard
wallace. blah, blah, blah. hiel, papyrus!
GPL = good, but not great.
Jay Wolfe wrote
John...
Your sure you and me really saw what he wrote ?
I don't want to jump right to conclusions...
I really want a back-up opinion just to be sure...
Before I really label "Troll" to Jay Wolfe...
Of course he will learn from his mistake (as I somehow did.. remember ;-D ).
So, John your also seeing what Im seeing ?
(Im letting his for the moment the "newbie" excuse for those comments.
Somehow it's a "When no arguments, flame" mentality they got).
- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--
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> Jay Wolfe wrote > >uh, oh. here comes the wrath of the two-headed moron, john y menard > >wallace. blah, blah, blah. hiel, papyrus! > John... > Before I really label "Troll" to Jay Wolfe...Actually, troll in a USENET way is a person who post non-informative letters
in newsgroup just to create some flaming and so... that's how they are
called. Of course, if you would had read the FAQ...
No.. that's not it. Im just saying that if you can't accept that other
people have different opinions here, you won't last long. People have since
years debated on multitude of subjects, and everybody has a different
opinion. That's how the world turns, and that's how the USENET turns. If you
can accept the fact that other people don't always agree with you, it's a
great step.
Take as an example David Fisher. I fully respect the person, even if I don't
agree with about any subject he say. But as a person I respect him. I don't
agree with his opinions, so I write what I think when I reply to him. This
guy has received probably more flames than anybody this year... If he
couldn't accept people that have different opinions he would had dissapeared
really fast. But no he's still here, and I really respect this person.
Obviously what you wrote in a first post is a explicit sentence to provoct
me and John Wallace, witch is considered as a Troll post. You have neither
any idea of how John is respect here, I don't know a person here who doesn't
respect him. He's here since many years, has helped simracing companies and
so. By flaming him your taking an offence to the whole SimRacing community.
Oh and if you want go ahead and flame me with the past actions I did go
ahead. I don't care. I was enough hard to read all the flames I got for my
past actions. I received tons of hate mail, got mail bombed half a dozen
time, got kicked out of my ISP, I was almost sued by Papyrus for posting
(one of the first) the Indianapolis track, I did the stupid by naming myself
the God of r.a.s., I had some fun with people all the time, without
wondering about all the other humans that were also on r.a.s. That was bad,
Im aware of that, and I think everybody understood that I changed. I don't
want to come back into that, and if you want go ahead and flame me with
cheap shots. I don't fear to be ridiculised. Im still here after all those
years and it's not because you want to flame me that I will change whatever
thing in my life. If you want to take this on a personnal way, go ahead Im
tough enough for it. Don't think I'll redo the same. I matured well enough
that I don't need those little ego-trip games anymore. I think about
everybody approves that Im a really good person now. I helped people on
r.a.s since years, and I helped in the creation of most of the big websites
that you find about Racing simulations. So go ahead and cheap shot me.. but
your cheap shotting the whole racing community by doing this.
Sure without a problem... that's why the USENET is made. To argument. And I
have some good points I wanted to say about it ;-)
I won't never do that for some reasons. 1) Im here long enough on the USENET
and r.a.s. to know that grammar errors is normal 2) English isn't my
primary language (check out my *.sig) and Im really bad in English also ;-)
- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--
Jay Wolfe wrote
It was a little.. but it wasn't really a big deal for me.. I've seen way
worse in about every non-Papyrus racing sim (except Gp2).
That's a good point, but there's tons of website on the Internet about that.
Just as an example, if you want everything about the F1 History... head to
http://www.forix.com/
They didn't had a license when Steve was writing the book, so they couldn't
mention any reference to the Scuderia. Steve has somehow continued his book
on Allison's website so it's no big deal.
You have the maps inside GPL.. at 2 places (on the "choose track" menu and
inside the garage). They are well documented and accurate. Just print screen
them or study them while watching the AI in real-time. It's really good.
After 1week I have no problem remembering every corner at every track
(speed, apex, brakiing, etc...) . Even at the 'Ring.... Forix.com has a
great deal of track maps, and also most of the tracks have their own
website. Most of us have a knowledge in F1 history. so the Masta Kink is a
well known corner ;-) Of course you will from what I saw all the tracks
and all the drivers in the Official GPL Guidebook that you will find in
stores... But I agree I was surprised also.. I've never seen Papy manual
without them. It's not that difficult to do I would had guessed.
See my post.. Your already on the defensive before even posting your
message. What do you fear ? Seriously.. that's attracting trouble. I don't
want that but you searched for it. Opinions are like an arse. Everybody has
one.
Well, if GPL is good, every other racing sims is under "good", since it's
easily (and about 99.9% of this newsgroup agree) the most realistic racing
simulator. We're getting closer and closer to reality. It's a long road but
GPL has made a great step forward for that.
- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--
I have to agree with you here. Where are the maps Papy?
Can't here. GPL is still GRRREAT!!! Try Pro Shorts on the net.
John Burrowes
Edmonton, AB,
I second that...Excellent sugestion.
> Tip: Get out of bed and drive it more... :)
--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/
* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *
>>* no mention of the ferrari anywhere to be seen. sacrilege.
>The book went to press prior to complettion of negotiations to get the
>Maranello monsters in the sim. The author of the book is going to publish
>all the extra info (and more) on the Web.
He already has: there is a section on Alison Hine's GPL page where
Steve Smith presents addenda to the "4 wheel drift" book. The address
is:
http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~alison/gpl/index.htm
It's a work in progress, but the first instalment on the Ferrari is
already there.
--
Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.
Actually Francois I didn't see what he wrote until you quoted it, I
killfiled sunshine long ago as being 1% signal and 99% noise, insults
and rabid foam.
Cheers!
John
> Jay Wolfe wrote
> >disappointing.
> It was a little.. but it wasn't really a big deal for me.. I've seen way
> worse in about every non-Papyrus racing sim (except Gp2).
yup. maybe i was just getting used to excellent quality books and info from
papyrus/sierra. all of their flight sim manuals have been top-notch. with GPL,
the writing quality was definitely there but the content is lacking.
great! glad to hear it. don't get me wrong - if the quality of the manual was
significantly holding up the release of the product...forget it! i'd rather have
the product in a timely manner. perhaps this was the bottleneck at papy???
what i'd really like to do is follow along the written course descriptions while
tracing the corners on the map. i realise that this can be done while in front
of the monitor, but not while at "work". ; - )
just poking fun. and maybe doing a little trolling, too. i picked on both of you
guys because your names were familiar to me through previous disrespectful
posts.
"hey, did you see the 'opinion' on alicia silverstone? hubba hubba."
you are correct about opinions. unfortunately, it seems pretty clear that if
anybody says something bad about GPL they not only get opposing arguements, but
insults as well. by suggesting that any phase or part of GPL is substandard, the
poster is immediately classified as A) stupid, B) a moron, C) a very poor sim
driver, & D) incontinent. i first experienced this while proclaiming the monaco
track to be less than perfect. this was after highly praising all of the other
ten tracks. to me (opinion), the monaco track was disappointing. i actually like
the GP2 monaco much better. boy, did i get picked on for that one.
100% agreed. i'm a NASCAR freak (figures) but dang if the first thing i do after
walking the dog is rip off a few horrible laps at the classic circuit of my
choice in GPL.***NASCAR2. i'll keep my NASCAR poker in the fire until NASCAR
2000.
in the future, ymenard, my attacks on you will be with tongue even MORE fully in
cheek. ; - )
j
official troll of the RAS
