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Jackie Stewart and GPL

21 posts by 18 people · 13 Oct 1998 - 16 Oct 1998

Why Jackie Stewart is missing from GPL

Posters asked why Jackie Stewart was not in GPL's BRM team, attributing it to licensing and comparing it to Jacques Villeneuve's absence from F1RS. The discussion moved to which 1967 drivers were still alive, Chris Amon's dairy farm in New Zealand, and Denny Hulme's fatal heart attack at Bathurst in 1992.

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Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in '67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... Marc. -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 ****************************************************************************
Devo 13 Oct 1998#427082
I'm sure he had the opportunity and chose not to be a part of it. His loss... Devon wrote...
Quoted text (13 lines)> Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in > '67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... > Marc. > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 > ****************************************************************************
It's called "licensing". Or lack thereof. He probably wanted more money than Papyrus was willing or able to pay. Michael K.
Quoted text (13 lines)> Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in > '67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... > Marc. > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 > ****************************************************************************
Hywel 14 Oct 1998#427440
Hmm, so theres another idea on the 'wanted hacks' list...
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:33:28 -0400, "Marc Collins" >Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in >'67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... Consider JYS the "Driver X" of his day! Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!
Ed Benson 14 Oct 1998#427442
Wouldn't be hard to put him in the driver.ini file, if you knew the history well enough to be accurate in his abilities. (Which I don't.) Ed Benson > >It's called "licensing". Or lack thereof. > >He probably wanted more money than Papyrus was willing or able to pay. > Hmm, so theres another idea on the 'wanted hacks' list...
Vinc 14 Oct 1998#427443
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:33:28 -0400, "Marc Collins" >Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in >'67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... Maybe he refused to sell his name for the game, like Jacques Villeneuve in F1RS ... That's something I hate :-( --------------------------------------------------------------------- Home-page : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7917 "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." "E tutti quei momenti andranno perduti nel tempo, come lacrime nella pioggia" Roy Batty, Blade Runner ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Zonky 14 Oct 1998#427444
Quoted text (9 lines)>Path: >On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:33:28 -0400, "Marc Collins" >>Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in >>'67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... >Maybe he refused to sell his name for the game, like Jacques >Villeneuve in F1RS ... That's something I hate :-(
One has to wonder why they didn't license another "jacques Villeneuve"- not even say his uncle- just some guy from canada with the same name ;) Sure no helmet... but the idea is interesting....
% >Why isn't he featured with the BRM team in GPL? He did drive for them in % >'67 didn't he??? And it's not like he's an unknown... % Maybe he refused to sell his name for the game, like Jacques % Villeneuve in F1RS ... That's something I hate :-( And maybe it has to do with other licenses and contracts he already has signed with other companies. It maybe that they are the ones that are preventing his "likeness" from appearing in GPL. Jackie's got quite a few irons in the fire. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jay Wolf 14 Oct 1998#427446
> Wouldn't be hard to put him in the driver.ini file, if you knew the history > well enough to be accurate in his abilities. (Which I don't.) shoot, i'll put him in mine and make him as sorry-assed as i can so i can laugh at him every time i come up and lap him for not being a good sport and allowing GPL to use his likeness. is he the only guy that drove in 67 that is still alive? if not, have any of the drivers commented on GPL at all?
Robert Bark 14 Oct 1998#427447
Don't know about comments but, a few are still alive - Sir Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, and John Surtees all come immeidiately to mind. Hulme and Hill did survive F1 Hill was killed in a plane crash and Hulme died of a heart attack (while racing a saloon car I think) a year or so back. bob >> Wouldn't be hard to put him in the driver.ini file, if you knew the history >> well enough to be accurate in his abilities. (Which I don't.) >shoot, i'll put him in mine and make him as sorry-assed as i can so i can laugh >at him every time i come up and lap him for not being a good sport and allowing >GPL to use his likeness. >is he the only guy that drove in 67 that is still alive? if not, have any of >the drivers commented on GPL at all?
I thought I saw Jack Brabham listed in the on-screen credits. THM >On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:58:31 GMT, >>Don't know about comments but, a few are still alive - Sir Jack Brabham, Dan >>Gurney, and John Surtees all come immeidiately to mind. Hulme and Hill did >>survive F1 Hill was killed in a plane crash and Hulme died of a heart attack
Quoted text (9 lines)>>(while racing a saloon car I think) a year or so back. >>bob >Isn't Chris Amon still alive? >I met him once. >-- >// rrevved at some ISP which calls itself mindspring dot com //
phol 15 Oct 1998#427786
It was quite a few years ago now, maybe 10, I'm not sure. Denny was racing in the 1000km touring car race at Bathurst, Australia. I remember because I was watching the race on TV. Peter Holt
>One has to wonder why they didn't license another "jacques Villeneuve"- not >even say his uncle- just some guy from canada with the same name ;) >Sure no helmet... but the idea is interesting.... :) But it wouldn't work. Same as if you tried to contract some Mr. Macdonald to use his name for your new burger chain. It would still be some sort of copyright infringement. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.
Zonky 15 Oct 1998#427788
Quoted text (11 lines)>Path: >>One has to wonder why they didn't license another "jacques Villeneuve"- not >>even say his uncle- just some guy from canada with the same name ;) >>Sure no helmet... but the idea is interesting.... > :) But it wouldn't work. Same as if you tried to contract some Mr. >Macdonald to use his name for your new burger chain. It would still be >some sort of copyright infringement.
I fail to see how. Villeneuve can not assume ownership of the copyright for his name based on other people being born and quite legally being called Jacques Villeneuve. His likeness, nor indeed his helmet would be in the game, so i fail to see how he could do anything. Anyway, it's a moot point now, as the FIA have slapped the wrists of drivers, and now that cannot withhold it for licensed products of the FIA. Z.
Grant Reeve 15 Oct 1998#427789
> Isn't Chris Amon still alive? yep, he's still around here in New Zealand. i think he's a farmer now. i think he also consults for Toyota NZ. "Buy this new Toyota Corolla with Chris Amon tuned suspension!" etc etc.
Zonky 15 Oct 1998#427790
>> Isn't Chris Amon still alive? >yep, he's still around here in New Zealand. i think he's a >farmer now. i think he also consults for Toyota NZ. "Buy this >new Toyota Corolla with Chris Amon tuned suspension!" etc etc. FYI, somewhere near Bulls. He's a dairy farmer. :) Incidentally, Toyota NZ at one time claimed he was a F1 World Champion. I recall ringign them and being told "whoops, but he is a champion in our eyes". Z.
Paul Carro 15 Oct 1998#427791
Hi Peter and others, Denny Hulme suffered a fatal heart attack during the 1992 Bathurst 1000 race.His car pulled over and stopped beside the track,everyone thought his car had suffered a mechanical failure,but when marshalls got to the car he was dead.His harness hadn't even been unbuckled.At least he died doing something he loved. Sir Jack Brabham is still racing.He won his class at a race at the Nurburgring recently driving a turbocharged Volkswagen Beetle.I'm not sure if it was a touring car race or some sort of GT race.He is about 72 years of age!! I would love to see him try GPL and hear his comments. >It was quite a few years ago now, maybe 10, I'm not sure. Denny was >racing in the 1000km touring car race at Bathurst, Australia. I >remember because I was watching the race on TV. >Peter Holt
Jay Wolf 15 Oct 1998#427792
Quoted text (11 lines)> Hi Peter and others, > Denny Hulme suffered a fatal heart attack during the 1992 Bathurst > 1000 race.His car pulled over and stopped beside the track,everyone > thought his car had suffered a mechanical failure,but when marshalls > got to the car he was dead.His harness hadn't even been unbuckled.At > least he died doing something he loved. > Sir Jack Brabham is still racing.He won his class at a race at > the Nurburgring recently driving a turbocharged Volkswagen Beetle.I'm > not sure if it was a touring car race or some sort of GT race.He is > about 72 years of age!! > I would love to see him try GPL and hear his comments.
these guys have got to know that they are in the sim. you figure that they would at least want to see how they fare. damn, i would. rrevved, your a famous guy, get ot work, man! get these fellas on the horn.
Simon Pa 15 Oct 1998#427793
Oh dear. Who's going to tell him. There is no Santa Claus, tooth fairy or Ronald Mc Donald. The guy in the ads is just a warning to all that he's what you'll look like after a triple Big Mac and flies every day. Simon Page. <SNIP> > :) But it wouldn't work. Same as if you tried to contract some Mr. >Macdonald to use his name for your new burger chain. It would still be >some sort of copyright infringement. >-- >Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Please remove the usual from my address to reply! Simon Page http://people.netcom.co.uk/spage
Mike Lew 16 Oct 1998#428042
Yes it would work. Have you seen The Best Buy commercials where they got some guy named Bill Gates (a different one of course) as their new spokesman for computers.?
Quoted text (8 lines)>>One has to wonder why they didn't license another "jacques Villeneuve"- not >>even say his uncle- just some guy from canada with the same name ;) >>Sure no helmet... but the idea is interesting.... > :) But it wouldn't work. Same as if you tried to contract some Mr. >Macdonald to use his name for your new burger chain. It would still be >some sort of copyright infringement.

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