GPL + Generic driver + Voodoo2 = 12fps

I am having a similar problem, but I have no option re: joystick setting (mine only works under "generic"). Never am I getting over 6 fps. Here's my solution: Back to EB tomorrow and get my $36 back. I am disappointed; the demo ran so well. I'm really getting tired of crapware, and I don't have time to search Dejanews and racing sites to figure how to get somebody's garbage to run. I eagerly await MS CPR II. W Spilman

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> Hi, > I've configured GPL to use the Generic controller instead of DirectInput to > take advantage of the a 2 joystick setup ie. brake and throttle on separate > axis... This works OK, but when go into training mode (or any mode for that > matter) I only get 12fps (ie. hit Alt-F).... Using the DirectInput I have no > problems ie. get 35fps (as you'd expect)... > Any help is muchly appreciated... > Les. > PS. My config is.. > PII 450mhz > 128mb RAM > Pure3D II > Xitel Storm A3D sound card

Hi, I've configured GPL to use the Generic controller instead of DirectInput to take advantage of the a 2 joystick setup ie. brake and throttle on separate axis... This works OK, but when go into training mode (or any mode for that matter) I only get 12fps (ie. hit Alt-F).... Using the DirectInput I have no problems ie. get 35fps (as you'd expect)... Any help is muchly appreciated... Les. PS. My config is.. PII 450mhz 128mb RAM Pure3D II Xitel Storm A3D sound card

>Any help is muchly appreciated... This isn't exactly the same situation, but I figured I'd throw this out here too since I also had a problem with the generic driver. I switched from the Direct Input to generic after reading some posts here saying it was better. It didn't affect my framerate, but it was undriveably twitchy, and made braking nearly impossible with practically no pedal travel between brakes on and brakes locked. (I have to use single axis for brakes/gas since I have a T2) I did recalibrate after changing the settings. I switched back to Direct Input, and it locked my PC up solid. Rebooting got everything back to normal and working fine with Direct Input. Weird... K62/300, Voodoo2, Sound Blaster 32 P&P (ISA). -- http://www.users.fast.net/~fusion1 http://www.off-road.com/~fusion1 (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)

I agree, i mean, GPL is only the greatest sim ever made, by the best sim racing company in the world, you'd think sierra would know better than to market junk like that :). Crapware indeed, its so crap, that all your problems are all hardware related (if software, notthing to do with gpl)!, and i havent noticed any bugs.. what good is that? I agree take it back, get a good quality product like M$ CPR 2, judging from the first one, it should be incredible. Greets, Luke www.fan.net.au/~stevephi/overrev - OVERREV GPL HQ

% I am having a similar problem, but I have no option re: joystick setting (mine % only works under "generic"). Never am I getting over 6 fps. Here's my solution: % Back to EB tomorrow and get my $36 back. I am disappointed; the demo ran so % well. I'm really getting tired of crapware, and I don't have time to search % Dejanews and racing sites to figure how to get somebody's garbage to run. I % eagerly await MS CPR II. % W Spilman What soundcard/game controller are you using. It looks more like either a hardware issue or a configuration problem. Are there any I/O conflicts? Is your soundcard's gameport at the default address (201-201)? If you can't use the DirectInput, then I would assume that your system is not configured properly (DirectX?). Don't blame the software for problems that may rest in your system configuration or hardware. If you are only getting 6fps, I would assume the real problem is that you don't have a 3DFX or Rendition video card. If so, then Sierra deserves a sound thrashing for not including such in their "minimum" requirements: Windows 95/98 166mhz Pentium 32 meg RAM Windows 95/98 compatabile video card with 2mb of memory 2x CD-ROM The above "minimum" is a JOKE! Yeah, it might actually run with the above configuration, but it would be pathetic. They should have been honest and said that a 3DFX or Rendition card is part of the minimum requirements, instead of "preferred". % > Hi, % > % > I've configured GPL to use the Generic controller instead of DirectInput to % > take advantage of the a 2 joystick setup ie. brake and throttle on separate % > axis... This works OK, but when go into training mode (or any mode for that % > matter) I only get 12fps (ie. hit Alt-F).... Using the DirectInput I have no % > problems ie. get 35fps (as you'd expect)... % > % > Any help is muchly appreciated... % > Les. % > % > PS. My config is.. % > % > PII 450mhz % > 128mb RAM % > Pure3D II % > Xitel Storm A3D sound card -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:00:25 +0000, "w. spilman" >I am having a similar problem, but I have no option re: joystick setting (mine >only works under "generic"). Never am I getting over 6 fps. Here's my solution: >Back to EB tomorrow and get my $36 back. I am disappointed; the demo ran so >well. I'm really getting tired of crapware, and I don't have time to search >Dejanews and racing sites to figure how to get somebody's garbage to run. I >eagerly await MS CPR II. The enquiring mind would wonder why their system, running the same software, delivered such hugely different results from everyone else's, and look into what the problem really is. The uninquiring mind heads back to EB, swaps GPL for some genuine "crapware" and settles back blissfully unaware of what he's missing. Mind you, it's probably for the best - if you don't have time to figure out what's wrong with your system you won't have the free time for GPL - once it gets it's hooks into you there's no putting it down! :-) Cheers! John

>Obviously he either still has CPR on his HD or traces of it in his registry. Thus no >other sim will run. Format your HD and purge it of all traces of CPR and try again. Any >fragment of CPR would be far too jealous of GPL to sit back and let it function in all >it's glory without great hindrance! Well, the original post said: I've never had CPR on my system, and I've seen similar framerate differences between the DirectInput and Generic driver selections. With DirectInput, I'll see 36fps in Training Mode, but only 17fps, in the same portion of a track, with the Generic driver selected. It's not a big deal to me, as I'm having no problems using the DirectInput driver, but I'm just curious why this is occurring. My system is: PII 300 (Dell Dimension XPS D300) 64MB RAM TB Montego (2) Orchid R3D-II 12MB in SLI Matrox Millennium II AGP CH GameCard3 DX 5.2 TSW with throttle/brake on separate axes ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

% I've never had CPR on my system, and I've seen similar framerate % differences between the DirectInput and Generic driver selections. % With DirectInput, I'll see 36fps in Training Mode, but only 17fps, in % the same portion of a track, with the Generic driver selected. % It's not a big deal to me, as I'm having no problems using the % DirectInput driver, but I'm just curious why this is occurring. % My system is: % PII 300 (Dell Dimension XPS D300) % 64MB RAM % TB Montego % (2) Orchid R3D-II 12MB in SLI % Matrox Millennium II AGP % CH GameCard3 % DX 5.2 % TSW with throttle/brake on separate axes I wonder if you actually have the game port on your soundcard disabled totally. Win95/8 might think it isn't being used, but "generic" may actually be trying to poll both devices. Just a shot in the dark... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>% I've never had CPR on my system, and I've seen similar framerate >% differences between the DirectInput and Generic driver selections. >% With DirectInput, I'll see 36fps in Training Mode, but only 17fps, in >% the same portion of a track, with the Generic driver selected. >% It's not a big deal to me, as I'm having no problems using the >% DirectInput driver, but I'm just curious why this is occurring. >% My system is: >% PII 300 (Dell Dimension XPS D300) >% 64MB RAM >% TB Montego >% (2) Orchid R3D-II 12MB in SLI >% Matrox Millennium II AGP >% CH GameCard3 >% DX 5.2 >% TSW with throttle/brake on separate axes >I wonder if you actually have the game port on your soundcard disabled >totally. Win95/8 might think it isn't being used, but "generic" may >actually be trying to poll both devices. Just a shot in the dark...

Well, I have no idea how the polling might work. Here's some more info: Win95 Device Manager has the TBS Montego Gameport Interface "X'd out", says it is Disabled, and is not using any Resources. Device Manager also says the Gameport Joystick (its name for the CH GameCard 3) is "working properly" and its Resource Settings are an Input/Output range of 0201-0201, with no conflicts. So, it appears that the Montego gameport is not part of this loop, unless I'd need to Remove it from Device Manager. But then, Device Manager will probably just reinstall it next time I reboot. I don't recall seeing any posts about these two drivers before, so I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar framerate differences as mentioned above, or not. ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

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> This isn't exactly the same situation, but I figured I'd throw this > out here too since I also had a problem with the generic driver. > I switched from the Direct Input to generic after reading some posts > here saying it was better. It didn't affect my framerate, but it was > undriveably twitchy, and made braking nearly impossible with > practically no pedal travel between brakes on and brakes locked. >(snip)

Hmm, I get an opposite type of deal. With the direct input driver I get a brief screen flash at the beginning of Curva Grande and entering Parabolica followed by a hard twitch to the right. I switched to the Generic driver and all is well. No decrease in framerate here. Gotta love that Rendition. Best wishes, Greg Avella Gavel on TEN HAL-Driver V1.O Oscar Sportsman Div 1 GPL Chef: Todays menu: Mona Cocoa Fudge

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>> This isn't exactly the same situation, but I figured I'd throw this >> out here too since I also had a problem with the generic driver. >> I switched from the Direct Input to generic after reading some posts >> here saying it was better. It didn't affect my framerate, but it was >> undriveably twitchy, and made braking nearly impossible with >> practically no pedal travel between brakes on and brakes locked. >>(snip) > Hmm, I get an opposite type of deal. With the direct input driver >I get a brief screen flash at the beginning of Curva Grande and entering >Parabolica followed by a hard twitch to the right. I switched to the >Generic driver and all is well. No decrease in framerate here. Gotta >love that Rendition. >Best wishes, >Greg Avella

Ditto. Had the same probs w/ Direct Input on my box. Seems to be the same problem I had in the Windows 95 version of ICR2.

Obviously he either still has CPR on his HD or traces of it in his registry. Thus no other sim will run. Format your HD and purge it of all traces of CPR and try again. Any fragment of CPR would be far too jealous of GPL to sit back and let it function in all it's glory without great hindrance!

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> On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:00:25 +0000, > > I don't have time to search > >Dejanews and racing sites to figure how to get somebody's garbage to run. I > >eagerly await MS CPR II. > Funny. Really. > -- > // rrevved at some ISP which calls itself mindspring dot com //

-- Byron Forbes Captain of Team Lightning Bolt http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS and http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

I was going to say that the Montego card has a digital gameport and this operates thru direct input. But from what you say about it being disabled, and by the sounds of it your plugged into a gamecard, not possible. That gamecard isn't digi is it?

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> >% I've never had CPR on my system, and I've seen similar framerate > >% differences between the DirectInput and Generic driver selections. > >% With DirectInput, I'll see 36fps in Training Mode, but only 17fps, in > >% the same portion of a track, with the Generic driver selected. > >% It's not a big deal to me, as I'm having no problems using the > >% DirectInput driver, but I'm just curious why this is occurring. > >% My system is: > >% PII 300 (Dell Dimension XPS D300) > >% 64MB RAM > >% TB Montego > >% (2) Orchid R3D-II 12MB in SLI > >% Matrox Millennium II AGP > >% CH GameCard3 > >% DX 5.2 > >% TSW with throttle/brake on separate axes > >I wonder if you actually have the game port on your soundcard disabled > >totally. Win95/8 might think it isn't being used, but "generic" may > >actually be trying to poll both devices. Just a shot in the dark... > Well, I have no idea how the polling might work. Here's some more > info: > Win95 Device Manager has the TBS Montego Gameport Interface "X'd out", > says it is Disabled, and is not using any Resources. Device Manager > also says the Gameport Joystick (its name for the CH GameCard 3) is > "working properly" and its Resource Settings are an Input/Output range > of 0201-0201, with no conflicts. So, it appears that the Montego > gameport is not part of this loop, unless I'd need to Remove it from > Device Manager. But then, Device Manager will probably just reinstall > it next time I reboot. > I don't recall seeing any posts about these two drivers before, so I'm > wondering if anyone else has had similar framerate differences as > mentioned above, or not. > ============================ > Dave Mack > (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

-- Byron Forbes Captain of Team Lightning Bolt http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS and http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

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>> >I wonder if you actually have the game port on your soundcard disabled >> >totally. Win95/8 might think it isn't being used, but "generic" may >> >actually be trying to poll both devices. Just a shot in the dark... >> Well, I have no idea how the polling might work. Here's some more >> info: >> Win95 Device Manager has the TBS Montego Gameport Interface "X'd out", >> says it is Disabled, and is not using any Resources. Device Manager >> also says the Gameport Joystick (its name for the CH GameCard 3) is >> "working properly" and its Resource Settings are an Input/Output range >> of 0201-0201, with no conflicts. So, it appears that the Montego >> gameport is not part of this loop, unless I'd need to Remove it from >> Device Manager. But then, Device Manager will probably just reinstall >> it next time I reboot.

[snip] >I was going to say that the Montego card has a digital gameport and this operates thru >direct input. But from what you say about it being disabled, and by the sounds of it your >plugged into a gamecard, not possible. That gamecard isn't digi is it? Not to my knowledge. It's been around for a few years, and nothing in the doc mentions anything about it being digital, so I'd say it's a safe bet that it's not. Don't know if this would also make any difference, but I also installed DX6 last night (for reasons having nothing to do with GPL or this thread), and the arms of the driver in the incockpit view are much twitchier than I recall with DX5. This doesn't seem to translate much into a twitchier control, but maybe just a little. ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)