GPL: I feel bad

I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front stretch at Monza. He was doing about 170mph. I was at 190mph. Poor L. ended up rolling 17 times. Even though it's just a sim, it's amazing how guilty I felt. Maybe Adrian Fernandez could learn something from GPL. Sorry, I couldn't resist. -Bill (Above editorial references Toronto, NOT Michigan.) -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

I assume you're referring to the Krosnoff incident? (I was marshalling on the next corner, btw) Well, Adrian wasn't involved in that.. he was just the winner of that race. Guilty, maybe for celebrating a victory whilst others had just witnessed/been involved in a terrifying and tragic accident. Did you win? :o) doktorB

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> I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >stretch at Monza. He was doing about 170mph. I was at 190mph. Poor L. >ended up rolling 17 times. Even though it's just a sim, it's amazing how >guilty I felt. Maybe Adrian Fernandez could learn something from GPL. >Sorry, I couldn't resist. >-Bill >(Above editorial references Toronto, NOT Michigan.)

Considering Lorenzo DID die during the real 1967 Grand Prix season in a flip-over crash, that's kind of prophetically morbid, I suppose. I agree with some of the other posters that it's amazing anyone would drive these machines, given how easily one could be killed or maimed by one bad judgement call. I bemoan many aspects of modern racing (sponser ad blitzes on everything, etc.), but I'm glad the safety factor has increased a hundredfold from what they had in the era GPL simulates. Jason

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> I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >stretch at Monza. He was doing about 170mph. I was at 190mph. Poor L. >ended up rolling 17 times. Even though it's just a sim, it's amazing how >guilty I felt. Maybe Adrian Fernandez could learn something from GPL. >Sorry, I couldn't resist. >-Bill >(Above editorial references Toronto, NOT Michigan.) >-- >Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." >MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

SEND ME THE REPLAY!! :) Juju http://gpl.cjb.com

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>> I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >>stretch at Monza. He was doing about 170mph. I was at 190mph. Poor L. >>ended up rolling 17 times. Even though it's just a sim, it's amazing how >>guilty I felt. Maybe Adrian Fernandez could learn something from GPL. >>Sorry, I couldn't resist. >>-Bill >>(Above editorial references Toronto, NOT Michigan.) >>-- >>Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." >>MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB >SEND ME THE REPLAY!! :) >Juju >http://gpl.cjb.com

uhh, cant remember My own url :) gpl.cjb.NET :) Julian aka Juju http://gpl.cjb.net

Well, yesterday afternoon LORENZO BANDINI ran into the back of me going into the turn at the end of the front stretch at Watkins Glen, AND KILLED ME. James

Well I think that is much more tragic....since until yesterday afternoon, you were still alive!!!! :) >>I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >>stretch at Monza. >Well, yesterday afternoon LORENZO BANDINI ran into the back of me going into >the turn at the end of the front stretch at Watkins Glen, AND KILLED ME. >James

Ferrari's Amon is SUCH a late braker! I got rear-ended coming up on the first Lesmo at Monza and WHAM! We danced on the guardrail. He landed right side up and continued (mind you, I was running Intermediate Long with only the advanced damage model), but I wasn't so fortunate. Glad he survived, though, to race another day in the virtual world. Kyle >>I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >>stretch at Monza. >Well, yesterday afternoon LORENZO BANDINI ran into the back of me going into >the turn at the end of the front stretch at Watkins Glen, AND KILLED ME. >James

Yes, too true. I have in front of me the MOTOR SPORT magazine issue dated June 1967. This is what Denis Jenkinson wrote in his report: "On lap 82 as Bandini took the "chicane" the Ferrari struck the wooden barriers and was immediately out of control. It mounted the straw bales on the outside of the corner, a wheel was broken off and the car landed upside down in the middle of the road with the driver trapped underneath. Almost instantaneously the car was a sheet of flame and by the time Bandini was extricated from the wreckage he was in a very serious condition, and subsequently died from his burns." I sit here in awe of the guys who drove those cars for real, and I thank God that GPL is only sim:) Cheers, -- Graeme Nash You know what to do with "don't_spam_me"... http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk/ ICQ# 11257824

Well according to the adds for GPL, this is why you should buy the game. At least they left out all the *** and***like all the action games. Or should that be an option? ;-0

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>Well I think that is much more tragic....since until yesterday afternoon, >you were still alive!!!! :) >>>I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front >>>stretch at Monza. >>Well, yesterday afternoon LORENZO BANDINI ran into the back of me going >into >>the turn at the end of the front stretch at Watkins Glen, AND KILLED ME. >>James

for keeping the most up-to-date website leading up to the release of GPL while all others still had august information as the current on theirs. you da man.

Gimme your relatives Ph Numbers and Ill tell them the news.... Julian Julian aka Juju http://gpl.cjb.net

> I assume you're referring to the Krosnoff incident? (I was marshalling on > the next corner, btw) > Well, Adrian wasn't involved in that.. he was just the winner of that race. > Guilty, maybe for celebrating a victory whilst others had just > witnessed/been involved in a terrifying and tragic accident. It was made clear that the news of Krosnoffs death had not reached the celebrating crowd at the pits, so it's not as bad as you made it look... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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>> I assume you're referring to the Krosnoff incident? (I was marshalling on >> the next corner, btw) >> Well, Adrian wasn't involved in that.. he was just the winner of that race. >> Guilty, maybe for celebrating a victory whilst others had just >> witnessed/been involved in a terrifying and tragic accident. >It was made clear that the news of Krosnoffs death had not reached the >celebrating crowd at the pits, so it's not as bad as you made it look...

Since I was the one who started this thread I guess I should post the reasons for my opinion. What you say above is true. However, it is my understanding that the entire field drove past the accident scene on the lap prior to the red flag. While AF was not aware of Krosnoff's death, he had to have know that it was a horribly serious accident. In that light, his victory antics were just as tasteless. At least that's my opinion. Anyway, looking back on this, my comment was, itself, was in pretty poor taste. Sorry all. -Bill -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

What race was this?

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> >> I assume you're referring to the Krosnoff incident? (I was marshalling on > >> the next corner, btw) > >> Well, Adrian wasn't involved in that.. he was just the winner of that race. > >> Guilty, maybe for celebrating a victory whilst others had just > >> witnessed/been involved in a terrifying and tragic accident. > >It was made clear that the news of Krosnoffs death had not reached the > >celebrating crowd at the pits, so it's not as bad as you made it look... > Since I was the one who started this thread I guess I should post the > reasons for my opinion. What you say above is true. However, it is my > understanding that the entire field drove past the accident scene on the > lap prior to the red flag. While AF was not aware of Krosnoff's death, he > had to have know that it was a horribly serious accident. In that light, > his victory antics were just as tasteless. At least that's my opinion. > Anyway, looking back on this, my comment was, itself, was in pretty poor > taste. Sorry all. > -Bill > -- > Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." > MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

CART: Toronto 1996 [SNIP] -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

Hmm, while Adrian Fernandez won his first race in Toronto a couple years ago, he wasn't involved in Jeff Krosnoff's accident. It was Stefan Johansson who moved over on Krosnoff and started what was one of the most horrific shunts I've ever seen. Rick

I agree - I had a crash yesterday in the Ferrari with another Ferrari driver (think it was Parkes) at Spa and we were both "killed". It was all my fault, and I felt guilty. This sim sucks you in like no other. I've not even driven the wrong way yet - normal crashes are so *** that there really is no need. Have you seen Dave Mansells 160mph+ crash at Spa? My god... Alan Head ===========================================

> Have you seen Dave Mansells 160mph+ crash at Spa? My god... No, is there a website with a replay? I rarely turn on "Realistic" damage, so I don't see broken wheels and fires when I crash. - John P. Wilson :|: - Downshift http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1123/index.html - Growing Fan of Sierra's "Grand Prix Legends" 1967 Computer Racing Simulation

Yes...it is a gross error in the simulation programming. Marc.

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>As an aside has anyone else noticed that the AI cars suffer very little >physical damage even at the realistic setting, even though the human car >falls apart quite easily? >Cheers! >-- >Graeme Nash >You know what to do with "don't_spam_me"... >http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk/ >ICQ# 11257824 >"My car appeared to disagree with my preference for living"