GPL & D3D

Man, you really have to be out of it if you cant follow the newsgroup and realize there is NO D3D for GPL. And it does NOT only support Glide, it also supports Rendition which Papyrus has lots of experience with. D3D in DX5 was still very hard to work with...DX6 is much better. But you MUST remember that this game has been in development for over a year, maybe two so when they started there was no DX5 or DX6 or Riva TNT anywhere so there decision was made to support Rendition (fimiliar territory) and Glide

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>Anyone know if there will be a patch for D3D patch for GPL??? >I can't believe that a game designer would come out with a new game such as >this that only supports Glide! >DirectX 5 has been around for a year, and DX6 has been available for 2 >months now... Not to mention the new TNT video cards that are hitting the >market, what the heck was Papyrus/Sierra thinking?

Hate to burst your bubble, but Formula Once Racing Simulation is by far the best Glide racing sim. At least until GPL came out (which I have no interest in BTW). -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >On 8 Oct 1998 00:07:54 GMT, >>Anyone know if there will be a patch for D3D patch for GPL??? >No. >GPL is Rendition or Glide and no plans for D3D have been announced. >>I can't believe that a game designer would come out with a new game such as >>this that only supports Glide! >Why are you surprised? Jay, I guess you haven't been in the world of >simulators for very long. If you bought a video card to play simulators, >you *should* have known what I am now going to reveal to you. If your >*choice* of video cards, was a non-3DFX one, then your choice, at this >juncture, is not a good one for SIMULATORS. >:) >The makers of sims have realized the framerate/appearance advantage >of Glide over D3D, for some time. >Here are a few SIMULATORS that use Glide *exclusively* for >3D acceleration: >Grand Prix Legends >Red Baron 2 >Janes F-15 >Janes Longbow2 >Digital Integration iF-16 >" " Hind >" " Apache >DiD EF2000 >Graphsim Hornet Korea. >etc. >etc. >BTW, if you think that ANY of the above sims were not >BEST-SELLERS, then think again.. :) >Several of these are considered the best air combat sims of all time >for their respective genre. ie: EF2000/F-15/RB2/LB2/GPL >Also, as far as racing sims go, Papyrus is clearly the best developer >in existence. Their sims, SODA, ICR2, Nascar2 and GPL use Rendition >and/or Glide, *exclusively*. They have never had an inclination to try >to produce a D3D sim. >It's a question of quality, and only recently has D3D even begun >to approach the advantages of the direct-to-chip programming of >the Rendition or 3DFX APIs. >Things may change in the future, but for the present, Glide is the >best API, if quality and high performance is the measure. >As someone said earlier , buy video cards that will run the types of >games or sims that *you* plan to run. Just because a video card has a >high rating in Quake or on someone's benchmark, doesn't mean >that all developers must support it. There are MANY more issues to >be considered, one of which is that the Glide standard is much easier >to write code for than Direct3D kludges. Also, just because there is >a so-called standard for D3D, all D3D cards are not created equally. >A developer who chooses to code for D3D must do EXTENSIVE testing >to try to force his game to work on the zillions of chipsets and cards >available. He doesn't have that problem with Glide, since *all* VoodooII >cards, for example, use an identical 3DFX chipset. He tests it on one >and it works on all. The same idea holds for the Rendition API, I'm told. >Also, it runs faster, is more stable and looks better. What's wrong with that? >A little more clear, now? >>DirectX 5 has been around for a year, and DX6 has been available for 2 >>months now... Not to mention the new TNT video cards that are hitting the >>market, what the heck was Papyrus/Sierra thinking? >-- >// rrevved at some ISP which calls itself mindspring dot com //

Jay J wrote No actually.... I would think your choice is excellent.. You know, the good thing with 3d accelerators is that they don't have "2d" in them. So it's an addon card to the one you presently have, not replacing... I had a STB Velocity 128 AGP that was with my Dell PC back in December of 97. It's similar to yours, and by adding a 3d card to it your really good for every types of ***, except Redline (Rendition). The Riva chipset is really good for 2d-graphics (impressed me about that). But for racing simulations... a Glide-capable card is really recommanded. Well.. maybe not for the past Papyrus titles (SODA and Icr2 are exclusive 3d-accelerated for Rendition, and in fact IMHO Icr2-Rendition looks far better than ANY racing sims... yes more than F1RS ;-D ). But still for the majority of racing simulations it's the best choice. Not only will it do Glide but also D3D and OpenGL. But your Riva is also good.. - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Based on my first hand experience testing simulation software right now, that is going to change. That said, I own and love my V2 card. But what I'm seeing in development has completely changed my former views of D3D's ability to perform with speed and quality. GLIDE is sweet, but D3D is just as sweet now, IMO. -Surfer -- Phil "Surfer" Worthen 510th TFW_VMFA-333 Tres Equis ----------------------------- "If you're not having fun...you're doing something wrong"

Anyone know if there will be a patch for D3D patch for GPL??? I can't believe that a game designer would come out with a new game such as this that only supports Glide! DirectX 5 has been around for a year, and DX6 has been available for 2 months now... Not to mention the new TNT video cards that are hitting the market, what the heck was Papyrus/Sierra thinking?

It supports Rendition too. > Anyone know if there will be a patch for D3D patch for GPL??? > I can't believe that a game designer would come out with a new game such as > this that only supports Glide! -- ----- Jason Monds (Remove 'no spork' when replying)

-->Man, you really have to be out of it if you cant follow the newsgroup and realize there is NO D3D for GPL.<-- Chris, if you would have taken the time to READ the post, YES, it's obvious that GPL does not presently support D3D, the question is, are there any plans to support it in the future ?!?! Apparently if there are plans to come out with a D3D patch, it's not been widely publicized! As for Rendition, there isn't a decent rendition board on the market worth owning, however since Sierra has a vested interest in their own rendition video card, they have chosen to support it. Let's face it, there have been many, many sim's come out in the past year that support D3D, such as F1RS, ToCA, MotoRacer, CART Precision racing, etc, etc.... From the looks of things, if you don't have a 3dfx/voodoo based card, don't bother asking for any help on this forum, because you'll only get flamed! Thank's for nothing Chris!

RREVVED, thanks for the honest post, I suppose that the choice I made a year ago to purchase a Riva128 based 2d/3d card, to replace my aging 2d card, may not have been the best decision I've ever made, as far as racing sim's go.... Here's a question for you on a 3dfx side note, however..... There's a guy at work who is upgrading his current system. He's looking to unload his Creative Labs Voodoo 2, 8 Meg. PCI board for $120. By adding that card to my current Diamond Viper V330 PCI card, I'd have one hell of a 1 - 2 punch as far as 2d speed and 3d Glide support goes.... Is $120 a decent price for a 9month-1year old video card ? It's also quite probable that I'll be able to talk him down a bit on price too. Your thoughts would be welcomed, anyone who feels like flaming, please keep it to yourself! Thank's! Jay J

Say what...? Greg buy this game...from somewhere you can return it . Drive it for a week and come back and tell me that....the DEMO does not do this sim near justice. Cisko you must own this game.... PAPA DOC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<G> http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

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> RREVVED, thanks for the honest post, I suppose that the choice I made a year > ago to purchase a Riva128 based 2d/3d card, to replace my aging 2d card, may > not have been the best decision I've ever made, as far as racing sim's > go.... > Here's a question for you on a 3dfx side note, however..... > There's a guy at work who is upgrading his current system. > He's looking to unload his Creative Labs Voodoo 2, 8 Meg. PCI board for > $120. > By adding that card to my current Diamond Viper V330 PCI card, I'd have one > hell of a 1 - 2 punch as far as 2d speed and 3d Glide support goes.... > Is $120 a decent price for a 9month-1year old video card ? It's also quite > probable that I'll be able to talk him down a bit on price too. > Your thoughts would be welcomed, anyone who feels like flaming, please keep > it to yourself!

No flames here, but if you're considering an 8MB Voodoo2 card, CompUSA has the Diamond Monster2 on sale for $149 brand new, and there's a $50 mail in rebate from Diamond of you buy before the end of October. A brand new 8MB Voodoo2 for $99 after the rebate... Trips

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>On 07 Oct 1998 19:06:09 PDT, >>Hate to burst your bubble, but Formula Once Racing Simulation >>is by far the best Glide racing sim. At least until GPL came out >>(which I have no interest in BTW). >I agree.

Well if you had included it in your list of Glide games I would have kept my big mouth shut :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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>On 8 Oct 1998 00:07:54 GMT, >>Anyone know if there will be a patch for D3D patch for GPL??? >No. >GPL is Rendition or Glide and no plans for D3D have been announced. >>I can't believe that a game designer would come out with a new game such

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>>this that only supports Glide! >Why are you surprised? Jay, I guess you haven't been in the world of >simulators for very long. If you bought a video card to play simulators, >you *should* have known what I am now going to reveal to you. If your >*choice* of video cards, was a non-3DFX one, then your choice, at this >juncture, is not a good one for SIMULATORS. >:) >The makers of sims have realized the framerate/appearance advantage >of Glide over D3D, for some time. >Here are a few SIMULATORS that use Glide *exclusively* for >3D acceleration: >Grand Prix Legends >Red Baron 2 >Janes F-15 >Janes Longbow2 >Digital Integration iF-16 >" " Hind >" " Apache >DiD EF2000 >Graphsim Hornet Korea. >etc. >etc.

Only one quick correction- EF2000 suports Rendition in the V2.0 release, and Longbow now has D3D support. Not picking on you- just clarifying. Your point is well taken. 8^) -- Scott Moore Hoosier MotorSports [link lost in import] Sports *** Network [link lost in import: /***.com]

Has anyone successfully gotten a rebate from Comp USA? They're harder than pulling hen's teeth. If he can talk his buddy down to $100 or so, I'd just go with that one. Even if he pays $110 for it, it's worth the hassle not to have to deal with Comp USA. -dobe-

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>>>Hate to burst your bubble, but Formula Once Racing Simulation >>>is by far the best Glide racing sim. At least until GPL came out >>>(which I have no interest in BTW). >>I agree. >Well if you had included it in your list of Glide games I >would have kept my big mouth shut :-)

But there's a D3D version of that one, while he was talking about Glide-only sims. Granted, it's not as nice as the Glide version, but it will play on any D3D capable card. The Scripps Research Institute http://www.scripps.edu/~jsmith

Apparently CL's 12MB Voodoo 2 will be lowered to $150 after $50 rebate and the 8MB will be $80 after $30 rebate (ie. $110 in stores) (see OGR.COM). Hmm, almost twice as much to add 4MB of RAM? The Voodoo 2 prices are going to go down since the stores are full of them and better looking, full AGP 2x cards are showing up.

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>RREVVED, thanks for the honest post, I suppose that the choice I made a year >ago to purchase a Riva128 based 2d/3d card, to replace my aging 2d card, may >not have been the best decision I've ever made, as far as racing sim's >go.... >Here's a question for you on a 3dfx side note, however..... >There's a guy at work who is upgrading his current system. >He's looking to unload his Creative Labs Voodoo 2, 8 Meg. PCI board for >$120. >By adding that card to my current Diamond Viper V330 PCI card, I'd have one >hell of a 1 - 2 punch as far as 2d speed and 3d Glide support goes.... >Is $120 a decent price for a 9month-1year old video card ? It's also quite >probable that I'll be able to talk him down a bit on price too. >Your thoughts would be welcomed, anyone who feels like flaming, please keep >it to yourself! >Thank's! >Jay J

> Apparently CL's 12MB Voodoo 2 will be lowered to $150 after $50 rebate > and the 8MB will be $80 after $30 rebate (ie. $110 in stores) (see > OGR.COM). Hmm, almost twice as much to add 4MB of RAM? The Voodoo 2 > prices are going to go down since the stores are full of them and > better looking, full AGP 2x cards are showing up. Just to add my two cents, a lot of people with 8MB cards have been complaining in the flight-sim newsgroup that they are getting considerably more (and annoying) stuttering from texture thrashing on the 8MB cards. It's probably not as big an issue with driving sims since flight-sims require more terrain textures at once but is certainly an issue to consider. Especially since driving games, as they get more realistic in the near future will most assuredly contain more textures...

snip > >Well if you had included it in your list of Glide games I > >would have kept my big mouth shut :-) > But there's a D3D version of that one, while he was talking about Glide-only > sims. Granted, it's not as nice as the Glide version, but it will play on > any D3D capable card. Your last sentence would be correct if you hadn't included the word "any". This is very untrue for most D3D versions... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>> sims. Granted, it's not as nice as the Glide version, but it will play on >> any D3D capable card. >Your last sentence would be correct if you hadn't included the word >"any". I guess that would depend on your defination of "any". Sorry couldn't resist :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

Hehe. Well it ran OK on my wife's Mystique, so I assumed any. Sorry for the confusion, didn't know it had probs on other D3D hardware :-)

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>>> sims. Granted, it's not as nice as the Glide version, but it will play >on >>> any D3D capable card. >>Your last sentence would be correct if you hadn't included the word >>"any". >I guess that would depend on your defination of "any". >Sorry couldn't resist :-) >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >>This is very untrue for most D3D versions...