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GPL: "driveable" setups?

8 posts by 7 people · 05 Oct 1998 - 08 Oct 1998

Bill Mette 05 Oct 1998#424751
Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup. However, it seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast. Right now, I don't want fast. I want controlable! So dear friends, I throw it open. WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as the main goal? -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB
Lou 06 Oct 1998#425060
I decided to try and make it handle more like my race car and stiffened up the springs swaybars, and shocks. made the front a lot stiffer than the rear. It pushes a bit more but its easier to save a slide. I went from 136's at Monza to 131's. Lutrell, Dsr#74 :-) http://www2.scca.com/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/photogal/dsr-74.jpg
Quoted text (9 lines)> Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup. However, it >seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast. >Right now, I don't want fast. I want controlable! So dear friends, I >throw it open. WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as >the main goal? >-- >Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." >MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB
The default Lotus setup at Monza is soft with mild understeer. It drives well; just don't try to go too fast with it. Light trail-braking works ok going into the Lesmos, and you almost need it to get enough turn-in at Curva Grande and Parabolica. This makes brake points all the more critical, though, if you want absolute speed. I think you really mean controllable at a reasonable speed. The default setup is quite good for this. Drive it for a while to get its feel, then try a very fast, loose setup, such as Mansell's. You'll learn plenty from this exercise. If you haven't seen Mansell's 1:28 yet, you should get the replay and check how Monza could be driven. I was slack jawed watching him hold the plotted line the entire lap, 3 to 10 mph faster than my best everywhere on the course. Arnao's 1:30 looks heavy fisted in comparison. Impressive. The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around with gas, just like Moss used to say. Michael. PS: noticed you're in the Chicago area. Motorsport Collector's is close by in Downers Grove. I picked up a few videos and spiffy little Lotus 49 display model there yesterday. They had a few 68 South Africa Jim Clarks and Graham Hills left. That was Clark's last win before he bought it later that year. > Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup. However, it > seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast. > Right now, I don't want fast. I want controlable! So dear friends, I > throw it open. WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as > the main goal?
Me 07 Oct 1998#425359
I found.. and alot of people wouldnt reccomend this, but it is really easy to drive with 85/85 ramp angles and 1 clutch. This saves the spins under power, and you might not get as good drive as before, but it sure saves the spins, and is quite fun to leave a big black line coming onto the straight at monza. Doing that and reducing my fuel load, i whent from incosistant 1:34's to race winning ( :) ) 1:30.3's . Hardly a spin under acceleration since. Give it a try.... i like it Greets, Luke www.fan.net.au/~stevephi/overrev/ - OVERREV GPL HQ
Ian Lake 07 Oct 1998#425360
That would be the one he got off me :))) The setup has a bit of understeer going out of curva grande, but everywhere else it's perfect! Ian Lake /\ Also have done a low 1m28s /\
Robert Bark 07 Oct 1998#425361
Is there anywhere you can get copies of Mansell's setups. I already have the ones from Alison Hines site. TIA Bob
Quoted text (37 lines)>The default Lotus setup at Monza is soft with mild understeer. It drives >well; just don't try to go too fast with it. Light trail-braking works >ok going into the Lesmos, and you almost need it to get enough turn-in >at Curva Grande and Parabolica. This makes brake points all the more >critical, though, if you want absolute speed. I think you really mean >controllable at a reasonable speed. The default setup is quite good for >this. Drive it for a while to get its feel, then try a very fast, loose >setup, such as Mansell's. You'll learn plenty from this exercise. >If you haven't seen Mansell's 1:28 yet, you should get the replay and >check how Monza could be driven. I was slack jawed watching him hold the >plotted line the entire lap, 3 to 10 mph faster than my best everywhere >on the course. Arnao's 1:30 looks heavy fisted in comparison. >Impressive. >The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under >power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the >suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the >opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around >with gas, just like Moss used to say. >Michael. >PS: noticed you're in the Chicago area. Motorsport Collector's is close >by in Downers Grove. I picked up a few videos and spiffy little Lotus 49 >display model there yesterday. They had a few 68 South Africa Jim Clarks >and Graham Hills left. That was Clark's last win before he bought it >later that year. >> Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup. However, it >> seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast. >> Right now, I don't want fast. I want controlable! So dear friends, I >> throw it open. WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as >> the main goal?
Quoted text (7 lines)> >The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under > >power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the > >suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the > >opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around > >with gas, just like Moss used to say. > That would be the one he got off me :)))
Well, then, a big heartfelt thank you for sharing! As I said, I learned much in seeing the difference. It changed my driving immediately: from consistent low 1:34's straight up to 1:42. :) It really is a thing of beauty, power drifting right down the pipe onto the back straight, and again onto the front straight. As soon as I stop hunting the nose around through curva grande and parabolica, and learn to get the power down coming out of Lesmo 2, I'll get there. Michael.

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