GPL with joystick?

I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

> I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with > steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I > really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is > settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick? The only disadvantage to the joystick is the loss of a sense of realism. I run GPL at home with a Nascar Pro wheel/pedal unit, and at work with a GP1/CH pedals setup. I've also run with a Logitech stick/CH pedal combo, and I'm just as fast with the stick as I am with the wheel, but I enjoy the sim more when I drive with the wheel. Trips

Hi David, I'm currently using a MS Gamepad (yes, that's right, a gamepad) to play GPL. The controls are digital (meaning I either get full throtle or no throtle or full left/right or dead centre) but i still enjoy GPL. I use to own a wheel and I can't wait till I buy a new one. GPL will be awesome. So to answer your question, I guess it comes down to personal preference. If you are really into sims, you should definitely get a wheel, and a good one too . > I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with > steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I > really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is > settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

According to the Strategy Guide written by Steve Smith, some of development team at Papyrus , the hot lappers, drive with a joystick and pedal setup. Personally, I much prefer the feel and realism of a wheel and pedals. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten AOLL Iroc Series Administrator http://pages.southtech.net/palmetto/aoll.htm >I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with >steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I >really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is >settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

From "Four Wheel Drift": "The guys who developed the game at Papyrus are ***ed to a joystick(for fast steering response) and foot pedals ... and the have the lap records to prove it works." Personal preference, but I find a wheel much more immersive also. beekr On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:12:04 -0400, "David Bohnenberger" >I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with >steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I >really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is >settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

> I'm currently using a MS Gamepad (yes, that's right, a gamepad) to > play GPL. That would explain why you get 1:50's at the Glen. Get a wheel, get it now... :) -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

% I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with % steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I % really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is % settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick? I am not sure that a wheel will actually make it any easier. The real hotlappers (and most of the Papyrus folks) like to race with joystick and pedals. Personally I think this detracts from the immersion of the simulation (besides a joystick may be an unfair advantage over a wheel). Don't know the release date yet, but Thrustmaster has NASCAR Pro Digital in the pipeline (USB or DirectConnect). In the mean time you may want to pick up a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel real cheap to tide you over until it's released. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Perhaps that's true for you, but some of the fastest drivers at Papyrus would definitely disagree. - Eric

I don't know.. a friend sent me his best laps, exported directly out of GPL (I've played him and can confirm he is fast, btw). He uses a joystick (actually, two of them.. one for throttle, the other steering).. and his lap times are BLAZING FAST! Here's some of his better lap times: Monaco: 1:30.12 (Ferrari) Monza: 1:29.71 (Ferrari) Mosport: 1:27.19 (Ferrari) Nurburgring: 9:21.63 (Ferrari) Rouen: 2:00.32 (Ferrari) Silverstone: 1:29.71 (Lotus) Spa: 3:21.49 (Ferrari) Watkins Glen: 1:06.61 (Ferrari) Zandvoort: 1:26.64 (Ferrari) And all these times WITHOUT a WHEEL. Faster than I am (got a T2).. so I think that settles it. Bottom line to getting fast times.. find a good setup THAT WORKS FOR YOU, and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! doktorB >It is *not* playable with a joystick. (period) I don't care who says >differently. Further, I would not waste my money on a wheel that does not >offer separate brake/gas. You just don't have the control you need any other >way. That is, the control to be *good*. Playing and being *good* are two very >different things. >> I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with >> steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I >> really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is >> settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

you can tell in some of the replays that the hotfoot is using a joystick - Monaco for instance.

> It is *not* playable with a joystick. (period) I don't care who says > differently. Further, I would not waste my money on a wheel that does not > offer separate brake/gas. You just don't have the control you need any other > way. That is, the control to be *good*. Playing and being *good* are two very > different things. If you're talking 100% joystick..I agree..I certainly can't drive GPL with a stick. My TSW was down for a couple of days (due to a refit, not a repair), and I ran some races with a joystick...what a nightmare. But some people can do it, and quite well. But combine a joystick and pedals, well..that's a whole new ball game. I would go so far as to say this combo is "cheating". You can apply steering input much faster than with a wheel, going opposite lock to opposite lock almost instantly. -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

You're wrong, but I guess there's no point in saying so. Cheers! John

>I don't know.. a friend sent me his best laps, exported directly out of GPL >(I've played him and can confirm he is fast, btw). He uses a joystick >(actually, two of them.. one for throttle, the other steering).. and his lap >times are BLAZING FAST! Two joysticks - I tried that once for about 5 mins, then decided it was only for piano players who can do different things with both hands at the same time. :) The only thing I ever drove that had two "sticks" to steer it was the M113 APC. But that was easy since you had to do the *same* thing with both hands. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

What do I need to run two joysticks? Some kind of Y-cable? I wonder if it would work with my PCMCIA gamecard in my notebook. I am not asking w.r.t. GPL, of course, but I would like to run GP2 and ICR2 with full analog control, but prefer not to clutter up my desk (or travel bag) with a whole wheel. Stephen

> Hm,, Dave Kaemmer uses only a joystick. You'll find his recorded laps > in the saved replays...looks like he does a pretty good job :) He uses a joystick for steering but with pedals too. Only a liar or a 1-in-a-million-talented person could drive that fast with just a joystick all by itself. :)

I think Dave could drive that fast with a paddle from an old Atari 2600... - Eric

Yea my thoughts as well. Actually I wondered if this guy was human. PAPA DOC PS. Please dont make this sim any better...or I will lock myself in a room and do nothing but play.

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>I think Dave could drive that fast with a paddle from an old Atari >2600... >- Eric >>He uses a joystick for steering but with pedals too. Only a liar or >>a 1-in-a-million-talented person could drive that fast with just >>a joystick all by itself. :)

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:18:13 +1300, Grant Reeve >He uses a joystick for steering but with pedals too. Only a liar or >a 1-in-a-million-talented person could drive that fast with just >a joystick all by itself. :) Hmmm, are you going to tell Mike Laskey he's a liar? Cuz I'm not gonna tell him he's "one in a million"! Cheers! John

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> On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:18:13 +1300, Grant Reeve > >He uses a joystick for steering but with pedals too. Only a liar or > >a 1-in-a-million-talented person could drive that fast with just > >a joystick all by itself. :) > Hmmm, are you going to tell Mike Laskey he's a liar? Cuz I'm not gonna > tell him he's "one in a million"!

yeah, he'd be one of those rare people to fit that category. :) The way i worded it was that almost no one could drive utterly blindingly fast with just a joystick. Lots of people could however drive very fast with one, in case there are fastish joystick users out there inclined to want to hit me if they thought i was insulting them. :)