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Grand Prix Legends Review at Digitial Sportspage

21 posts by 11 people · 02 Oct 1998 - 03 Oct 1998

Randy Magruder's Grand Prix Legends review at Digital Sportspage

Randy Magruder announced his comprehensive GPL review, which was generally well received. Readers pointed out that complaints about not being able to race the trainer cars could be addressed by INI edits documented by Alison Hine, but Magruder argued a review should not credit undocumented hacks. Others noted features he had missed, such as pausing into replays with F2/F3, and he promised an errata.

With Eric Busch (Papyrus)

review/impressionsGrand Prix Legends

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Adam 02 Oct 1998#423836
Actually, I didn't even read your review yet. <g> I'm just speaking from experience. >Should I consider that to be feedback? :) >>Guys....this game is seriously the best racing simulation there is. Buy it.
Quoted text (14 lines)>>>A comprehensive review of Grand Prix Legends has been posted at >>>Digital Sportspage >>>http://www.ni3d.com:/mine/dsports/pc/grandprixlegends/review.html >>>Enjoy... >>>Randy >>>Randy Magruder >>>http://members.home.com/rmagruder >Randy Magruder >http://members.home.com/rmagruder
Davelo 02 Oct 1998#423838
Randy,a fair and well balanced review.The only thing I would ad is,for those not inclined to spend the many hours learning to handle a GP car,a trip around the 'Ring in the Ferrari is an experience not to be missed!
I hoped for at least one chuckle out of that! I have now satisfied my humor quota <G> Thanks :) Randy
Quoted text (13 lines)>>A comprehensive review of Grand Prix Legends has been posted at >>Digital Sportspage >>http://www.ni3d.com:/mine/dsports/pc/grandprixlegends/review.html >Great review, very comprehensive. The line about the gymnast landing >had me LOL. >Joe >=================================================== >Powerplay98 Fantasy League Rosters available at: >http://mypage.direct.ca/m/mcginn/pp98rosters.html >===================================================
Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder
Jeff Ha 02 Oct 1998#423842
Randy, Nice comprehensive review. A couple of the gripes you have about not being able to race the trainers or adjust the field to include slower cars have been addressed on this forum, er newsgroup( sorry, habit from old compuserve days) by Alison. It might be nice to amend the review to point to Alison's gpl page to reference how to do those things. Jeff Haas
>Nice comprehensive review. Thanks. Alison actually has looked at a draft of the review and supplied feedback where she felt necessary. We discussed the issues you raise here, and I did allude to .INI file editing several times in my review (something I normally would NOT do). The bottom line, though, is that this is a REVIEW, or a judgement of how well PAPYRUS did, not how well WE can do by hacking into the game settings from outside the game, so criticism in that regard was warranted. Also, there is nothing in our review format that allows me to link to others sites for help. I would gladly refer to Alison's fantastic site if the framework were there, but its the kind of thing I can only do in the frame work of my racing column or a strategy guide. But you do see my dilemma when trying to score a game -- I have to look at the decisions the developers made, and even though I praise Papyrus for putting those settings in .INI files, there's nothing in the doc or UI to tell the user how to alter difficulty levels or hack to allow racing against trainer cars, so its not something I feel they should get kudos for in the review (particularly when, from everything they heard, they are against us doing that to begin with!) Randy Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder
ymenard 02 Oct 1998#423844
Randy Magruder wrote >I've forwarded this to the editor/webmaster. thanks! >>Update your main review page please--the only link to GPL is your previous >>preview.... Final thing... It is possible to race with the Trainee and Advanced trainee (and Im even sure it's possible over the net if you trust the other people and they all edit the ini file for it). Maybe you could update this ? I know it's not easy for Mr. Anybody to know this (no documentation at all about this) but Randy you could write it on how to make that available in your report (not sure if it's too late). Allison has an explanation on her website in the FAQ section. It's pretty easy.. http://nh.ultranet.com/~alison/gpl/ - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--
ymenard 02 Oct 1998#423845
Emm nevermind.. Jeff Haas wrote the same thing as me and I didn't know ;-) Tip of the week : Read every message in thread before replying ! - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--
Eric Busch 02 Oct 1998#423846
Also note that while in the car pressing F1 (the standard Windows help key) will bring up a list of the available keyboard shortcuts. - Eric
Quoted text (7 lines)>Final thing... >It is possible to race with the Trainee and Advanced trainee (and Im even >sure it's possible over the net if you trust the other people and they all >edit the ini file for it). >Maybe you could update this ? I know it's not easy for Mr. Anybody to know >this (no documentation at all about this) but Randy you could write it on >how to make that available in your report (not sure if it's too late).
That's just it. It's an undocumented hack. I can't give Papyrus points in a review for undocumented hacks. I'll see about putting a link to Alison's web site about this, if my editor will go for it. Randy Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder
Quoted text (11 lines)>>A comprehensive review of Grand Prix Legends has been posted at >>Digital Sportspage >>[link lost in import: /:/mine/dsports/pc/grandprixlegends/review.html] >Nice comprehensive review. A couple of the gripes you have about not >being able to race the trainers or adjust the field to include slower >cars have been addressed on this forum, er newsgroup( sorry, habit >from old compuserve days) by Alison. It might be nice to amend the >review to point to Alison's gpl page to reference how to do those >things.
One other thing - you don't need to quit out the race to watch a replay. F2 and F3 take you to replay and options screen, and very helpfully pause the game for you into the bargain... Cheers! John
Dang! I couldn't figure out how to do that....okay I'll do an errata.... >One other thing - you don't need to quit out the race to watch a >replay. F2 and F3 take you to replay and options screen, and very >helpfully pause the game for you into the bargain... >Cheers! >John Randy Magruder http://members.home.com/rmagruder
Wow, to think I've never known that :-) Thanks Eric! Cheers! John
>>Final thing... >>It is possible to race with the Trainee and Advanced trainee... >That's just it. It's an undocumented hack. I can't give Papyrus >points in a review for undocumented hacks. I'll see about putting a >link to Alison's web site about this, if my editor will go for it. Randy, I can see your point, but on the other hand, making the statement that it can't be done, without mentioning it is indeed possible (even as a hack), may make some folks make the wrong decision on purchasing the game. I haven't seen your review yet, but the reviews of it here makes it sound like its up to your usual standards. I don't need the review, I've had the game for three days (just need a PC to run it now...). :) NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...
Jeff Ha 03 Oct 1998#424181
much snipped Given Papy's repeated suggestions to go slow, learn from the trainer cars, etc it really is hard to understand why racing with the very same cars that they want you to start with has been "prohibited". Anyway,fair enough and I understand your reasoning. I guess I get so used to people hacking the sims to circumvent licensing and developer shortcomings that I forget about the average player... I must admit I'm surprised that we don't have a Honda in the sim yet ;) do love that Ferrari sound... Jeff Haas
John 03 Oct 1998#424182
What system are you running it on?? P166 / 64 edo <---mine :( Matrox Millenium Orchid Righteous 3D FX Cable Modem

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