Why racing sims could be better....response to others complaints.

The new Papyrus game engine utilized in GPL is awesome, but some have mentioned that the game design and car setup is too difficult to play. Other titles in my opinion are also too difficult to play, mostly because the game engine/control's setup. For example, SpeedBusters demo seems totally unplayable because the control's are freakin all over the place. The NFS 3 car is totally "floaty." Why does'nt someone use a decent game engine like the new Papyrus one, and apply it to a decent set of courses and cars which are enjoyable and playable, something like an arcade version of CPR: fast controllable cars on exciting arcade courses? --frustrated.

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> The new Papyrus game engine utilized in GPL is awesome, but some have > mentioned that the game design and car setup is too difficult to play. > Other titles in my opinion are also too difficult to play, mostly because > the game engine/control's setup. For example, SpeedBusters demo seems > totally unplayable because the control's are freakin all over the place. > The NFS 3 car is totally "floaty." Why does'nt someone use a decent game > engine like the new Papyrus one, and apply it to a decent set of courses > and cars which are enjoyable and playable, something like an arcade version > of CPR: fast controllable cars on exciting arcade courses? > --frustrated.

That's not a bad idea. With first-person shooters all sharing game engines, why aren't "open" car sim engines being programed? Just one realistic physics and graphics engine would be great. Then various games could use this engine to race F1 sims, rally sims, touring cars, drag cars, even tank sims, in fact any land-based vehicle (if the engine was done right). Even arcade racers could use the engine to give more convincing driving (they would just use unrealistic car models). Are there any technical problems with doing this (ie. it would be just too ***y difficult)? I've heard Powerslide has a great physics/graphics engine. Anyone know if this is what we're waiting for?....

You might be interested in Papyrus' new title Viper racing. Check it out on Sierra's web site. Er, www.sierra.com ? Later... Tony Long

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> The new Papyrus game engine utilized in GPL is awesome, but some have > mentioned that the game design and car setup is too difficult to play. > Other titles in my opinion are also too difficult to play, mostly because > the game engine/control's setup. For example, SpeedBusters demo seems > totally unplayable because the control's are freakin all over the place. > The NFS 3 car is totally "floaty." Why does'nt someone use a decent game > engine like the new Papyrus one, and apply it to a decent set of courses > and cars which are enjoyable and playable, something like an arcade version > of CPR: fast controllable cars on exciting arcade courses? > --frustrated.

snip > That's not a bad idea. With first-person shooters all sharing game > engines, why aren't "open" car sim engines being programed? Just one realistic > physics and graphics engine would be great. Then various games could use this > engine to race F1 sims, rally sims, touring cars, drag cars, even tank sims, in Hmm, that sounds appealing! Let's have a monopoly in racing sim engines. Maybe even M$ could do that... ;^) l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

While this is a Sierra title, I do not believe Papyrus had anything to do with it. Anyone confirm one way or the other? -Bill -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

Viper is being developed by MGI, which has nothing to do with Papyrus other than Rich Garcia, who at one time, was part of the Papy-clan. Cheers! Marc > You might be interested in Papyrus' new title > Viper racing. Check it out on Sierra's web > site. Er, www.sierra.com ? -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/ Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/ * Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

MGI is developing the title, with Sierra Sports as distributor. Cheers! Marc > While this is a Sierra title, I do not believe Papyrus had anything to > do with it. Anyone confirm one way or the other? -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/ Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/ * Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

Well, You would think with beta testers, those companys could actually make a complete bug free finished product right the first time to ship to stores. I have yet to own any (7) driving sim that worked as hyped up to be, the first time I installed it. It seems that the rule of thumb is to get us all hooked by screenshots , playable demos , to ship an imcomplete product to the market, only to make patched for it later. Have I hit home here with any of you ? Q: Has there ever been a driving sim made right the first time ? Thanks, Dave Reuille Woof Motorsports ------------ We are not just chasing cars anymore .....

Dave Reuille wrote Probably "RaceCar" a two dimension racing game that was out for the ColecoVision years ago <g> <sarcastic indeed> ;-D I never heard of any game without a bug in the release... that's in the whole *** industry (I mean marketable games, not java-applets ;-D ). Some of them are very close, but none of them is perfect remember... It's all in the balance. Some of them have obvious bugs (NHRA pedals configuration) while others are minimal and don't take out the overall enjoy out of the product (Probably GPL). It's a reality, it won't change, and never changed. (Well did Indy500:TheSimulation had a bug ?) ;-) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

>The NFS 3 car is totally "floaty." Why does'nt someone use a decent game >engine like the new Papyrus one, and apply it to a decent set of courses >and cars which are enjoyable and playable, something like an arcade version >of CPR: fast controllable cars on exciting arcade courses? EA did, called id Need For Speed 1. Unfortunately they don't seem capable of duplicating the trick. Joe

This is obviously the way forward for simracing, especially if you consider that in the future, most simracing will hopefully take place with full human fields, over the internet. This kind of cross compatability would ensure that there are stable platforms for simracers, as they move from sim-karts to sim-F3, sim- F3000 to sim-F1, or into sim-tourers or sim-GTs. The differences between a Microprose sim, a Ubisoft sim and a Papy sim are too great for most simracers to comfortably make the transition, so a single game engine would be ideal. It would be a dream come true if a group of dedicated programmers were to embark on creating a game engine that could be tailoured to represent any kind of racing series, and is also suited mainly for multiplayer/internet use. Unfortunately, programs like this require a lot of time, effort and money, so for the moment at least it's purely a pipe dream. -- Spudgun