Love that GPL......but

Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. My old P166/V1000/80meg just can't handle the new sims, so I am glad Sierra decided to toss N2'99 out there to breathe a little life into my aging sim.

Let me guess??? You from the USA and 30 or younger ?? :-) Bart > Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. My old P166/V1000/80meg > just can't handle the new sims, so I am glad Sierra decided to toss > N2'99 out there to breathe a little life into my aging sim.

>Let me guess??? >You from the USA and 30 or younger ?? :-) >Bart Yup & yup, So You mean that if I were an old "foreigner" [said with the utmost respect, not knowing how else to phrase it :-)], I could afford a new computer?? Just my .02 cents (U.S. that is) ;-). Is your country accepting new citizen applications?? Heck, I'll be 31 by the time it's approved ;-). Happy Lappin', Wade Tschida >> Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. My old P166/V1000/80meg >> just can't handle the new sims, so I am glad Sierra decided to toss >> N2'99 out there to breathe a little life into my aging sim. Me Too Countryman! <Very tongue in cheekly said>!

Hi Wade, I didn't mean to insult anyone, really ! The only thing I can't understand was the way J. Huggins talked about Grand Prix Legends. "" Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. "" Sometimes it seems that some people from the USA underestimate the (historic) value of Formula One Racing. Maybe just like the way Europeans don't seem to understand Nascar :-) cheers, Bart > [snip] > >> Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. My old P166/V1000/80meg > >> just can't handle the new sims, so I am glad Sierra decided to toss > >> N2'99 out there to breathe a little life into my aging sim. > Me Too Countryman! <Very tongue in cheekly said>!

NASCAR's got a little history too...1947 to present. Don't underestimate the historic value of Cup racin' either folks ; ) !! Parke C. Age: 27 ; ) Hometown: Talladega, AL, USA >Hi Wade, >I didn't mean to insult anyone, really ! >The only thing I can't understand was the way J. Huggins talked about Grand Prix >Legends. >"" Love that GPL but am looking forward to N2'99. "" >Sometimes it seems that some people from the USA underestimate the (historic) >value of Formula One Racing. >Maybe just like the way Europeans don't seem to understand Nascar :-) >cheers, >Bart

<<Sometimes it seems that some people from the USA underestimate the (historic) value of Formula One Racing. Maybe just like the way Europeans don't seem to understand Nascar :-) Oh boy...you've set me off. <g> I live in Indianapolis, IN. Oval racing central. I'm in love with F1 new and old. It's better than the IRL. I'd rather watch and F1 race than a NASCAR race. Though I will watch NASCAR, I like F1 better...but that's me. -CH/\INS/\W IQC: 13346549 "I owe you everything, Scully , you owe me nothing" -Mulder (The X-Files: Fight The Future) "I don't think they will be performing this experiment on Beakman's World." -Mulder (The X-Files: Roland)

I am from Indy also, Indy 500 and Brickyard 400. Haven't been to an IRL Indy 500 tho'. I love F1 (Go Shumacher) but like NASCAR even more. The reason, I can go to a NASCAR race almost once every week. While I am there I can see most of the track and not miss any action (on the shorter tracks). I would love to attend an F1 race but since it is all road courses, I don't think that you get to see as much of the real action (same with the CART races). Another reason we Americans don't follow F1, we don't have a race anymore. I have heard that Tony George is trying to get an F1 race to come to Indy (How could he build a road course at Indy?) and I would love to see one in person but the chances are pretty slim. So I guess the point is, while an F1 sim is highly regarded world-wide, NASCAR is always going to be more popular in the US. Regards Dave 99 Jeff Burton 6 Mark Martin 88 Dale Jarrett

About a month ago, I was at "The Glen". It was a week before the NASCAR race. The SCCA team I am a crew chief for was honored to be at the first road racing track in the US. I saw many of the Grand Prix races of the 70's at that track. History takes many forms, and if it weren't for NASCAR, "The Glen" would also be history. NASCAR owns this track now, and their money is what keeps it in business. I prefer road racing, but I also admit, racing is racing. I enjoy any form of racing, and, like the rest of us, I am looking forward to GPL. Lets all look forward to racing this new sim, and enjoy the international competition that it came from..... Ken McDaniel

Hi, I didn't mean Nascar hasn't any history, I just misread his post, and I guess you misread mine :-) So, I'm sorry! I thought his header was meant ironically: 99% of Ras is waiting for gpl and he says something like gpl is 'just' another game..... But -as I allready said- I misread it...... but in my very humble opinion I think that from a historic standpoint gpl as a season will be more interesting then this nascar season! I guess you jst have your favorite season?? :-) cheers, Bart

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> NASCAR's got a little history too...1947 to present. > [snip] > Don't underestimate the historic value of Cup racin' either folks ; > )[snip]peans don't seem to understand Nascar :-) > >cheers, > >Bart

So would I, if the F1 boys ever had a _race_. You know, with this thing called passing. Until they do (can you say "rules change"?), I'll stick with NASCAR. bob bob

> [...snip...] > So I guess the point is, while an F1 sim is highly regarded world-wide, > NASCAR is always going to be more popular in the US. Hi, I guess you are the only one that seems to understand me :-) Cause everybody thinks I said "Americasn don't lime F1" or something. But what I really meant was that in the US maybe less % of people will buy a F1 sim. cheers, Bart

> Which begs the question... > Would any of the European posters happen to know how much of the > financing for F1 races comes from the hosting countries? Isn't the > spectacular A1 track in Austria relatively new? Was it privately > financed? The fans pay a high enough price for these events. 150 quid for a grandstand seat at Silverstone on race day only!! -- Andrew Fielden. UK.

I agree, F1 tends to be a 2 hour parade most of the time. However, these past two races, I've seen Schumie make incredible moves to take the lead, which for me makes up for the lack of overtaking the rest of the race. Now if only the rest of the drivers would put it on the line a little more, there would be some very entertaining races going on in F1.

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>> I'm in love with F1 new and old. It's better than the IRL. I'd >>rather watch and F1 race than a NASCAR race. > So would I, if the F1 boys ever had a _race_. You know, with >this thing called passing. Until they do (can you say "rules >change"?), I'll stick with NASCAR. > bob > bob

> Which begs the question... > Would any of the European posters happen to know how much of the > financing for F1 races comes from the hosting countries? Isn't the > spectacular A1 track in Austria relatively new? Was it privately > financed? Perhaps if our European friends don't post a reply, an answer might be found on http://www.forix.com/ =) Cheers! Marc -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

I thought Jacques Villeneuve was U.S ex-CART? Of course I'm probably wrong (I'm a real big Villeneuve fan, honestly :)) Steve - Getting e***d about GPL despite the fact that it hasn't even been released in the US yet, and UK is supposedly going to be released at least a couple of weeks later :) p.s. any UK people out there, my local Electronics Boutique (Leeds) still says end of this month for UK release, though they don't have an exact date.

>Also, I keep hearing that existing tracks like The Glen, Elkhart Lake >or Laguna Seca would require major upgrades to stage a F1 race. Other >than proper run offs, does anybody know what else is required to bring >these tracks up to F1 standards? For starters I believe***Queen Bernie requires all F1 tracks to have permanent, fully-enclosed garage facilities immediately adjacent to the pit stalls. I can't think of a single road course in the US that has this. -Bill -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

[snip] Well...most Americans. There *are* a few of us lonely, misunderstood Yanks who love F1 but have no one to talk to (face to face) about a great race like this weekend's Monza. :) ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

Hmmm can you tell me what incredible move he made in the last race to take the lead????. He blew the start then his little buddy Eddie moved over to let him by and the only other pass he made was when he got Mika just after Coultards car blew up, in front of him and I think he could'nt see and went on the grass so tyres had a fair bit of muck on them and overdone the chicane thus allowing Shuey to get by. Or did you mean the great passing move on Coultard at Spa??? crash bang got you DOH!. Rgds Phil

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>I agree, F1 tends to be a 2 hour parade most of the time. However, >these past two races, I've seen Schumie make incredible moves to take >the lead, which for me makes up for the lack of overtaking the rest of >the race. Now if only the rest of the drivers would put it on the >line a little more, there would be some very entertaining races going >on in F1. >>> I'm in love with F1 new and old. It's better than the IRL. I'd >>>rather watch and F1 race than a NASCAR race. >> So would I, if the F1 boys ever had a _race_. You know, with >>this thing called passing. Until they do (can you say "rules >>change"?), I'll stick with NASCAR. >> bob >> bob

Hmmm....I didn't see Mika go onto any grass after Coulthard blow up. What I did see was a distracted Hakkinen leave the door open a bit for a very focused Shumacher, who made a great move to get the preferred line going into the turn even while Hakkinen was fighting him back. The great move at Spa I am referring to is when he passed Hill going into a very tough turn and then jump out to a commanding lead until he decided to play Monster Truck with Couthard's Mercedes. On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:29:47 +1000, "Philip Ford"

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>Hmmm can you tell me what incredible move he made in the last race to take >the lead????. >He blew the start then his little buddy Eddie moved over to let him by and >the only other pass he made was when he got Mika just after Coultards car >blew up, in front of him and I think he could'nt see and went on the grass >so tyres had a fair bit of muck on them and overdone the chicane thus >allowing Shuey to get by. >Or did you mean the great passing move on Coultard at Spa??? crash bang got >you DOH!. >Rgds Phil

>I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Malaysian track got state support >because it would be seen as promoting national prestige. But I would doubt >that the A1 Ring or any other recent track developments got any particular >support. F1 is very much financially self supporting with the sort of >finances that any oter racing series would die for ;-) Malaysian track probably did, as remember they (Malaysia) sponsor Stewart. Mind you, a lot of things in Malaysia have dried up recently as the Ringitt plummets, especially since it was suspended from trading. As for A1 Ring, it's not "new", just a terrible modification of the Osterreichring. Cheers! John

What I like about NASCAR is that the cars are fairly even performance wise, and they can actually "rub-some-paint" without launching someone. I watch NASCAR, CART, and F1. The F1 and CART races are great for the high speed lightning reflex strategy racing. NASCAR on the other hand has that hard-nosed "if I wanna pass i'll kick the door in" type racing which I can relate to as i'm driving the highway ;) I would like to see J.Gordon in a pointy car, and A.Zanardi in a Bristol night-race, I think J.G. would show some great potential, and A.Z. would get physical real quick! -JH-

> [snip] > >Another reason we Americans don't follow F1 > Well...most Americans. There *are* a few of us lonely, misunderstood > Yanks who love F1 but have no one to talk to (face to face) about a > great race like this weekend's Monza. :) Most Americans just have extremely bad luck. Like me, whose cable system adds Speed Vision tomorrow... 7 days before my TV goes onto the moving van ;) - Matt

Well, at least you'll have it for 7 days, and might be able to catch some of those specials this week. Some cable companies (ahem...mine in particular) don't carry it and have no plans to AKAIK. They'd rather add another shopping channel or three. :( ============================ Dave Mack (remove "nospamfor_" for correspondence)

Every time I hear about TG building a road course inside IMS, I have to laugh. I attended many races at the old Ontario Motor Speedway ( A virtual clone of IMS ) back in the 70's and there was not one redeaming feature about that track. It was flat, featureless and the drivers hated it. Just what the racing world needs, another boring stadium track. I would rather F1 stay away than bring any more scorn upon American F1 efforts. -don "To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caricciola

Well it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see George try to bring F1 here to Indy and***it up. Especially given his "track" record over the last couple of years.

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>>Most Americans just have extremely bad luck. >>Like me, whose cable system adds Speed Vision >>tomorrow... 7 days before my TV goes onto the moving van ;) >Well, at least you'll have it for 7 days, and might be able to catch >some of those specials this week. Some cable companies (ahem...mine >in particular) don't carry it and have no plans to AKAIK. They'd >rather add another shopping channel or three. :( >============================ >Dave Mack

Oh yeah, don't ya just love THOSE. I feel your pain, no speedvision, and ESPN-2 requires a package with some other neat stuff, that sadly requires the use of those damned cable converter boxes, that of course make watching and recording different programs a pain, and screws up the picture in picture and all the other neat stuff of cable-ready TV's. So for now I do without. Have always been a NASCAR fan, kinda hard to miss it here in NC, but F1, CART, IRL aren't too far behind, and I'll watch most anything with wheels racing. A lot of my friends though completely do not get "pointy-car" racing, so don't watch any of the open-wheel stuff. Drug several to the IRL races here and they had a blast, although they missed the "rubbin" of the stockers. They do seem to appreciate Schummy when I show them a tape of an F1 race, they think he'd be pretty cool to have in NASCAR (appeals to the Earnhardt element, I do see the connection <g>) So yes, there are F1 fans in the US, even in the "NASCAR South". Actually, you can probably thank computer games for this, as I really got hooked on Turbo-Era F1 playing Grand Prix Circuit and Ferrari Formula 1 on the old C-64, which piqued my interest for F1 a lot, then of course GP1 (World Circuit) on the PC. And I usually find it more exciting chasing down that single-point sixth spot in GP2 or F1RS than banging fenders in N2 even though NASCAR is my real-world favorite. So I'm really looking forward to GPL here. Yes, some because I want the latest and greatest sim, but also because I like Formula 1 racing a lot too - and to simulate some of that James Garner "Grand Prix" action of course :-) Ken

Or Eddie Cheever! Mark

Hmmm - Mika was on a tight line and rode the kerbs at Della Roggia, leaving the inside line totally clear for Michael to plonk himself into. No "great move", just opportunism. He made the move a long way earlier by not backing off as much as Mika when coming upon the smoke from Coulthard's car. Passing Hill was also pretty easy given that Hill was on wet/dry and Michael full wet. The added grip through Blanchimont and shorter braking distance thanks to more downforce and softer setup would make it a foregone conclusion. He did well to make it stick, but drivers were doing that all day to slower cars. Not quite so clever when trying to pass Coulthard though! Ouch. Cheers! John

I know how you feel, I had cable for five years and always requested SpeedVision and ESPN2, but nooo. The cable company added them a month before I moved. I said, "Hell with cable" and bought an RCA DSS. A sports lovers dream. I get to see all of the F1 races and even at multiple times. A few of the channels broadcast a taped version a few seconds after other stations so I sit there flipping back and forth trying to catch all of what happened in wrecks, passes, spins, etc. Regards Dave

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>> [snip] >> Well...most Americans. There *are* a few of us lonely, misunderstood >> Yanks who love F1 but have no one to talk to (face to face) about a >> great race like this weekend's Monza. :) >Most Americans just have extremely bad luck. >Like me, whose cable system adds Speed Vision >tomorrow... 7 days before my TV goes onto the moving van ;) >- Matt

I agree totally here, I never watched CART, IRL, or F1 until I started racing those sims. I have always watched and went to NASCAR races, finally got one here, The Brickyard. It seems like the drivers I like and dislike on the CART circuit have a lot to do with who wrecked me in the game. And in NASCAR I always get a little more aggressive around my least favorite drivers. I also have a few buddies that were only CART fans until I got them racing in NASCAR2 and some online races. Now, they go to more NASCAR races than I do. So, I guess the best thing for the racing world is great racing sims. Regards Dave {snip}

True, if America is to get another F1 race, I would rather see an entire track build to accommodate it. Maybe a complex like Japan has, everything you would need to have fun. Have a huge fun park, road course, small oval, and whatever else to draw in more races. Regards Dave >Every time I hear about TG building a road course inside IMS, I have to laugh. >I attended many races at the old Ontario Motor Speedway ( A virtual clone of >IMS ) back in the 70's and there was not one redeaming feature about that >track. It was flat, featureless and the drivers hated it. Just what the racing >world needs, another boring stadium track. I would rather F1 stay away than >bring any more scorn upon American F1 efforts. >-don >"To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caricciola

>No you did'nt see it shuey spoke about it in the interview after the race. I saw it. C***+ footage divers from standard footage, and they showed, in reply, that Hakkinen was on the grass when passing Coulthard. Remco

No you did'nt see it shuey spoke about it in the interview after the race. Rgds Phil.

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>Hmmm....I didn't see Mika go onto any grass after Coulthard blow up. >What I did see was a distracted Hakkinen leave the door open a bit for >a very focused Shumacher, who made a great move to get the preferred >line going into the turn even while Hakkinen was fighting him back. >The great move at Spa I am referring to is when he passed Hill going >into a very tough turn and then jump out to a commanding lead until he >decided to play Monster Truck with Couthard's Mercedes. >On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:29:47 +1000, "Philip Ford" >>Hmmm can you tell me what incredible move he made in the last race to take >>the lead????. >>He blew the start then his little buddy Eddie moved over to let him by and >>the only other pass he made was when he got Mika just after Coultards car >>blew up, in front of him and I think he could'nt see and went on the grass >>so tyres had a fair bit of muck on them and overdone the chicane thus >>allowing Shuey to get by. >>Or did you mean the great passing move on Coultard at Spa??? crash bang

got >>you DOH!. >>Rgds Phil

Oh, come on............... We all know that it was just Tony George (IRL). He came up with this brilliant plan to take over CART, and when it backfired in his face, he picked up his ball and ran home in a huff. In my opinion, what made Indy such a great race was the fact that it was always an "open" race -- come one, come all. Anyone could enter, and if past tech, had an equal shot at qualifying for the race. Jim Clark's Lotus, Andy Granitelli's turbines...these are the fabric of the Indy legend; not spec racers and restricted qualifing opportunities. I only hope that when Little Al is too old and feeble to drive CART anymore, that he has a chance to return to the brickyard, show Tony's little playmates how to drive, and put the Unser family's win total up to 14 or 15, where it should be. :o) Bob