Your view on GPL and Warez

I was just wondering what other think... Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy it at a laer date? and.. Is it ok to download a game if you like sit on the benefit and have no money whatsoever (say you won the computer and a life time internet connection :)? I've made myself a very strong mental note not to download GPL, as I want the full blown surprise when I get the legal version, no cut off's or trims on the side. Responses welcome :) Juju

It depends strongley on this: I live in The Netherlands and mosty a lot of games are never released over here. When GPL will be released at a MUCH later time then in th US, UK and Asia I'll certainly try to get a warez version untill it's in the stores. For instance : when it's in the US in 30th september and in the UK 30th oktober and in Asia round december, and around the newyear in Holland. Imho that's not very fair towards all those people (like ME) who buy a lot of games every year, but have to buy it for $60 if it's $40 in the US !!! See ? Bart

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> I was just wondering what other think... > Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy > it at a laer date? and.. > Is it ok to download a game if you like sit on the benefit and have no > money whatsoever (say you won the computer and a life time internet > connection :)? > I've made myself a very strong mental note not to download GPL, as I > want the full blown surprise when I get the legal version, no cut > off's or trims on the side. > Responses welcome :) > Juju

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>I was just wondering what other think... >Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy >it at a laer date? and.. >Is it ok to download a game if you like sit on the benefit and have no >money whatsoever (say you won the computer and a life time internet >connection :)? >I've made myself a very strong mental note not to download GPL, as I >want the full blown surprise when I get the legal version, no cut >off's or trims on the side. >Responses welcome :) >Juju

You know, when I heard about the warez version, I had the same thought...and came to the same conclusion as you did, I don't want to spoil my fun by obtaining the game illigal... We've waited so long, a couple of weeks more doesn't matter. I wan't do enjoy buying the game, going home with it, unwrap it, installing it, and then, playing it Remco

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>>I was just wondering what other think... >>Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy >>it at a laer date? and.. >>Is it ok to download a game if you like sit on the benefit and have no >>money whatsoever (say you won the computer and a life time internet >>connection :)? >>I've made myself a very strong mental note not to download GPL, as I >>want the full blown surprise when I get the legal version, no cut >>off's or trims on the side. >>Responses welcome :) >>Juju >You know, when I heard about the warez version, I had the same >thought...and came to the same conclusion as you did, I don't want to >spoil my fun by obtaining the game illigal... >We've waited so long, a couple of weeks more doesn't matter. I >"wan't do"

Oops, should be "want to"

"Illegal" means "illegal" You can't have an each-way bet on the term......there is no "just a little-bit illegal"! > Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy > it at a laer date? and.. > Is it ok to download a game if you like sit on the benefit and have no > money whatsoever (say you won the computer and a life time internet > connection :)? -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

>I was just wondering what other think... >Is it ok to download a full version of a game if you are going to buy >it at a laer date? and.. Given the rates I have to pay for the phone connection, it will be cheaper for me to buy the legal version than to d/l the pirated one. Since downloading is not an option for *me*, I think it's wrong for *everyone*. ;) Seriously, though, I think that huge numbers of downloads will only give the cracker d00dz satisfaction and give headaches to the producers. I can and will wait the few days for the legal version to hit the shelves, although it will be hard to wait. How likely is this kind of situation? :) It's far more likely that you seem to have the choice between new hardware and new software. In this case, most people would rather steal the software than the hardware, since it's easier and you're less likely to be caught. But it's theft anyway. To claim that you wouldn't have *bought* the program in the first place may be true sometimes (few of the students I know would ever have paid $399 for some Office package, but would have used a cheaper program instead), but it is too easy a way out of a m*** question. Especially when the jobs of a few talented individuals *and* the future of your favourite entertainment are at stake, it is a m*** imperative and plain common sense to pay for your software. This is one reason not to download warez. Another one is the overhyped, yet real danger of viruses and trojan horses. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

>"Illegal" means "illegal" >You can't have an each-way bet on the term......there is no "just a >little-bit illegal"! AFAIK downloading software isn't illegal...running / selling / spreading it, however, is... But hee, I'm no lawyer, so I could be wrong. (And normally, I am). Remco

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> It depends strongley on this: > I live in The Netherlands and mosty a lot of games are never released over > here. > When GPL will be released at a MUCH later time then in th US, UK and Asia > I'll certainly try to get a warez version untill it's in the stores. > For instance : when it's in the US in 30th september and in the UK 30th > oktober and in Asia round december, and around the newyear in Holland. > Imho that's not very fair towards all those people (like ME) who buy a lot > of games every year, but have to buy it for $60 if it's $40 in the US !!! > See ? > Bart

Sorry, I don't see. I want Motorhead. I want Screamer Rally. Neither has been released in the United States. So should I donwload the warez version? No, I will NEVER support the warez system in general. Yes, I'd rather do without. No, it's not fair but neither is playing a game I haven't paid for. Let's say you download GPL. You wait and wait for the commercial release but let's suppose (like Motorhead in the US) that you have to wait for 6 months. If you no longer play GPL then (whether your sick of it or something better is taking your time) are you telling me that you will still buy it and just put it on the shelf? If you got 6 months of play out of GPL then you owe them that, but would YOU do it? Would the average consumer? I can see people saying that they want to try it out, I just can't bring myself to be in cahootz with the warez people.

> > AFAIK downloading software isn't illegal...running / selling / > > spreading it, however, is... heck, it can't be that easy to find - i tried and never did see it available anywhere. i have never heard of "warez" before. in looking around some of the newsgroups, i noticed quite a bunch of people that seemed to be willing to take days to piece together a $20-50 bit o' software. is $50 really that much money where it causes people to resort to these extremes? shoot, i figure that if i stop sniffin' glue for a coupla nights, i should have no problems buying GPL the week it comes out. the week it comes out. the week it comes out...huh? j p.s. don't forget to tip your waitresses.

I'm referring to the illegality of the act itself. If you obtain property known by you to be stolen then what you are doing is illegal. It's also morally reprehensible. > AFAIK downloading software isn't illegal...running / selling / > spreading it, however, is... -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

>"Illegal" means "illegal" >You can't have an each-way bet on the term......there is no "just a >little-bit illegal"! Tell that to President Clinton! :-) jp John Parker Route 66 Racing (R66R) Team "JP-Bogart" on TEN/Nascar Racing Online Series Race Steward OSCAR Sportsman Div #4 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/4540/ OSCAR Website : http://planet.ten.net/oscar/

Reinforces my point, doesn't it?! > Tell that to President Clinton! :-) -- Regards, Bruce. ----------