Is Lime Rock bumpy as hell?

Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: -Lime Rock is *bumpy* - he's bouncing around and feathering the throttle all over the place. I haven't had SpeedTV for a while (just moved recently) - and my only on track experience is the Nurburgring in a rented A4, and clinging to the roll bar inside a '70 Firebird at Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly torn up? -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front you don't hear a thing. Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? Kendt

Lime Rock is bumpy. It wasn't always quite so bumpy (it's been repaved a few times), but the foundation was laid almost half a century ago, and the pavement has been patched so many times (here and there with cement even) that it's just a tattered old shmatta. "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime > Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: > > -Lime Rock is *bumpy* - he's bouncing around and feathering the > throttle all over the place. I haven't had SpeedTV for a while (just > moved recently) - and my only on track experience is the Nurburgring > in a rented A4, and clinging to the roll bar inside a '70 Firebird at > Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > torn up? > > -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I > remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in > GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. > > -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no > game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just > wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid > the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when > they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front > you don't hear a thing. > > Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? > > Kendt

[email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime > Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: > Rossanne Barr's singing and US Politics? > -Lime Rock is *bumpy* - he's bouncing around and feathering the > throttle all over the place. I haven't had SpeedTV for a while (just > moved recently) - and my only on track experience is the Nurburgring > in a rented A4, and clinging to the roll bar inside a '70 Firebird at > Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > torn up? Lime Rock is in New England, Cold winters create frost heaves. Ask the Indy car drivers why they left Pocono? > > -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I > remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in > GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. Wellllll...they got the motion, but I'm one who thinks it does detract too much...You'll notice that while his car was bouncing, he wasn't going slower.

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> > -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no > game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just > wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid > the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when > they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front > you don't hear a thing. > > Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? > > Kendt

This Summer or early Fall I would guess. Gear whine depends alot on the type of car. I remember hearing incar audio of BMW Super Tourers that was ALL WHINE. I don't know how he picked shift points because the howling gears totally overlaid the engine noise. I've heard other types that are a mix of gear howl and engine growl. I would think the positioning of the microphone would have alot to do with it. I remember just a year or so ago in F1, the Schumacher Ferrari sounded tinny and lifeless while in car. But Barrechello's sound was much different, you could hear the full scream of the engine as well as road noise and wind. I wish F1 sims could find THAT tape to digitize. I suspect we don't hear the real engine sound in many cars, Competitive secrecy probably means if a TV camera is onboard, the microphone must be filtered. dave henrie

On 2 Mar 2004 17:23:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote: >Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? Not soon enough. =) (and yeah, lime rock is full of patched tarmac) Jason

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:36:52 -0600, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > Lime Rock is in New England, Cold winters create frost heaves. Ask the >Indy car drivers why they left Pocono? Pocono isn't bad anymore. The reason the Indycars left was safety concerns anyway - the barriers at Pocono are completely unsafe for open wheeled cars. Jason

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> [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime > > Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: > > > Rossanne Barr's singing and US Politics?

In other words - I shouldn't be surprised how bad any of these things are ;)? [snip]

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> > -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I > > remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in > > GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. > > Wellllll...they got the motion, but I'm one who thinks it does > detract too much...You'll notice that while his car was bouncing, he wasn't > going slower.

I'm watching Mid-Ohio on the TV right now - what a battle with those Porsches! I bet the effect has more to do with F12k2's track modelling - they're *all* as bumpy as LRP! Must be why I tend to fire up quick races at Interlagos - the bumpiness feels right for that track ;). I love Suzuka too - but the modelling there is hopeless (esp the run up to the spoon curve - great fun trying to hold it together, but they might as well put "Flugplatz" in Japanese on a sign!)

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> > > > -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no > > game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just > > wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid > > the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when > > they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front > > you don't hear a thing. > > > > Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? > > > > Kendt > > This Summer or early Fall I would guess.

'03 - from the file names.

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> Gear whine depends alot on the type of car. I remember hearing incar > audio of BMW Super Tourers that was ALL WHINE. I don't know how he picked > shift points because the howling gears totally overlaid the engine noise. > I've heard other types that are a mix of gear howl and engine growl. > I would think the positioning of the microphone would have alot to do > with it. I remember just a year or so ago in F1, the Schumacher Ferrari > sounded tinny and lifeless while in car. But Barrechello's sound was much > different, you could hear the full scream of the engine as well as road > noise and wind. I wish F1 sims could find THAT tape to digitize. I > suspect we don't hear the real engine sound in many cars, Competitive > secrecy probably means if a TV camera is onboard, the microphone must be > filtered.

Yeah - I remember the on-board from the BTCC races - WHIIINE! Then of course there's the WRC cars - squeeek-chirp-squeek-chirp. Let's hope the on-board recording stuff SBDT has talked about will yeild something spectacular. Seems like you'd have to track the direction/speed of the throttle movement as well as the RPM's to get a really proper model of the engine noise. Kendt

On 2 Mar 2004 17:23:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote: >>Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly >>torn up? >> Summit Point eh.....I raced a few races there on the road course myself. I grew up near Charles Town, and my uncle worked at the track for years. A good friend of mine was working as a medic at the track, don't know if he still is. I moved away from the area three years ago, and moved to the beach! That is a pretty cool road course though, for a smaller area, saw Paul Newman race there a couple times!

On 3 Mar 2004 17:56:56 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote: >I bet the effect has more to do with F12k2's track >modelling - they're *all* as bumpy as LRP! Yup. Hence the need for softer springs than any sane person would use in a car with that much ride-height-dependant downforce. Jason

There's some concrete patches that are slippery, but they're not too bumpy in a slow car (formula Dodge) but there is a nasty bump right at the apex of the downhill turn. Could be a lot bumpier in a heavier and/or a faster car. Brook "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime > Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: > > -Lime Rock is *bumpy* - he's bouncing around and feathering the > throttle all over the place. I haven't had SpeedTV for a while (just > moved recently) - and my only on track experience is the Nurburgring > in a rented A4, and clinging to the roll bar inside a '70 Firebird at > Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > torn up? > > -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I > remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in > GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. > > -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no > game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just > wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid > the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when > they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front > you don't hear a thing. > > Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? > > Kendt

I go to Summit 15 times a year. It was very bumpy and even had holes in it a few years ago. It has been repaved and even has a lot of grip in it now. They use to call it Slippery Point. The track is in pretty good shape right now. :-) Nim "Rusty Unger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 2 Mar 2004 17:23:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) > wrote: > > > >>Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > >>torn up? > >> > > > Summit Point eh.....I raced a few races there on the road course > myself. I grew up near Charles Town, and my uncle worked at the track > for years. A good friend of mine was working as a medic at the track, > don't know if he still is. I moved away from the area three years > ago, and moved to the beach! That is a pretty cool road course > though, for a smaller area, saw Paul Newman race there a couple times!

"Nim Cross" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I go to Summit 15 times a year. It was very bumpy and even had holes in it > a few years ago. It has been repaved and even has a lot of grip in it now. > They use to call it Slippery Point. The track is in pretty good shape right > now. :-) > > Nim OMFG - you mean they *finally* repaved it? I used to go there alot with my brother. He cut his motorcycle RR teeth (and a whole lot else!) there. It seemed like every year they'd say it was about to get repaved - most I ever saw was them scarifying the surface of some of the turns (looked nasty, and ate knee sliders!). What kind of events are they holding there these days? I wondered how it was doing since the resurrection of VIR. Kendt

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> > "Rusty Unger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On 2 Mar 2004 17:23:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) > > wrote: > > > > > > >>Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > > >>torn up? > > >> > > > > > > Summit Point eh.....I raced a few races there on the road course > > myself. I grew up near Charles Town, and my uncle worked at the track > > for years. A good friend of mine was working as a medic at the track, > > don't know if he still is. I moved away from the area three years > > ago, and moved to the beach! That is a pretty cool road course > > though, for a smaller area, saw Paul Newman race there a couple times!

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> [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Just watching some on board video of David Farmer's Corvette at Lime >> Rock before I leave work, and I'm startled by 2 things: >> > Rossanne Barr's singing and US Politics? > >> -Lime Rock is *bumpy* - he's bouncing around and feathering the >> throttle all over the place. I haven't had SpeedTV for a while (just >> moved recently) - and my only on track experience is the Nurburgring >> in a rented A4, and clinging to the roll bar inside a '70 Firebird at >> Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly >> torn up? > > Lime Rock is in New England, Cold winters create frost heaves. Ask > the Indy car drivers why they left Pocono? >> >> -The fore-aft bouncing and pitching is particularly noticeable - I >> remember alot of people bitching about the effect being overdone in >> GTR2002 - but from the video it looks *spot on*. > > Wellllll...they got the motion, but I'm one who thinks it does > detract too much...You'll notice that while his car was bouncing, he > wasn't going slower. >> >> -And the *sound* :) - even with the low-quality realaudio file - no >> game has even come *close*. Not alot of whine or screech - just

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>> wonderful growl-rasp-growl. The other interesting thing is how rapid >> the sound drop-off is from other cars - cars are plenty loud when >> they're right on top of him, but by the time they're right in front >> you don't hear a thing. >> >> Damn - when's SBDT's GTR supposed to come out :)? >> >> Kendt > > This Summer or early Fall I would guess. > Gear whine depends alot on the type of car. I remember hearing > incar audio of BMW Super Tourers that was ALL WHINE. I don't know > how he picked shift points because the howling gears totally overlaid > the engine noise. I've heard other types that are a mix of gear howl > and engine growl. I would think the positioning of the microphone > would have alot to do

Oh yes, the Supertouring-Cars were extrem in that. It was strange to hear that when a driver shifted up the noise didn�t become lower but higher.

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> with it. I remember just a year or so ago in F1, the Schumacher > Ferrari sounded tinny and lifeless while in car. But Barrechello's > sound was much different, you could hear the full scream of the > engine as well as road noise and wind. I wish F1 sims could find > THAT tape to digitize. I suspect we don't hear the real engine sound > in many cars, Competitive secrecy probably means if a TV camera is > onboard, the microphone must be filtered.

Yes, you can also notice a difference betweens a cam mounted above the driver-helmet and one mounted at the nose of the car. > dave henrie

Yeah man! The surface is a million times better then it use to be. Infact they are building a 3rd track that is suppose to be done this spring. Behind the big barn outside the esses. They have about 7 SCCA events. 4 CCS events one of them being Formula USA that is held on Memorial day weekend this year. That event is incredible. 4 or so WERA events one of them a National. 2 Vintage car events. Then a bunch of club and carting events. If you ever decide to go shoot me an email. I go to all the SCCA and CCS events with a couple of others scattered in between. :-) Nim "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Nim Cross" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > > I go to Summit 15 times a year. It was very bumpy and even had holes init > > a few years ago. It has been repaved and even has a lot of grip in itnow. > > They use to call it Slippery Point. The track is in pretty good shaperight

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> > now. :-) > > > > Nim > > OMFG - you mean they *finally* repaved it? I used to go there alot > with my brother. He cut his motorcycle RR teeth (and a whole lot > else!) there. It seemed like every year they'd say it was about to > get repaved - most I ever saw was them scarifying the surface of some > of the turns (looked nasty, and ate knee sliders!). > What kind of events are they holding there these days? I wondered how > it was doing since the resurrection of VIR. > > Kendt > > > > > "Rusty Unger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On 2 Mar 2004 17:23:30 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>Summit Point,WV (ride-along laps for charity). Is LR particularly > > > >>torn up? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Summit Point eh.....I raced a few races there on the road course > > > myself. I grew up near Charles Town, and my uncle worked at the track > > > for years. A good friend of mine was working as a medic at the track, > > > don't know if he still is. I moved away from the area three years > > > ago, and moved to the beach! That is a pretty cool road course > > > though, for a smaller area, saw Paul Newman race there a couple times!

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> Yeah man! The surface is a million times better then it use to be. Infact > they are building a 3rd track that is suppose to be done this spring. > Behind the big barn outside the esses. > > They have about 7 SCCA events. 4 CCS events one of them being Formula USA > that is held on Memorial day weekend this year. That event is incredible. > 4 or so WERA events one of them a National. 2 Vintage car events. Then a > bunch of club and carting events. > > If you ever decide to go shoot me an email. I go to all the SCCA and CCS > events with a couple of others scattered in between. :-) > > Nim

Cool! Thanks! It really is a nice track layout - glad to hear it's doing well. Kendt