Is there anyone out there who HASN'T played/seen GPL yet??

Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS "rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. I was just a little curious to find out if the arcade-racers who frequent this group (we have to welcome everyone...) are even interested in GPL, or have they dismissed it as being "a boring sim"? If you haven't downloaded the new track..are you planning to?.. are you planning to buy GPL when it comes out.. or could you care less? just curious.. doktorB http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), release date updates, and more!

I played the demo briefly when it first came out only to get a feel for what Nascar 3 would be like. I personally don't care much about road racing and don't plan on buying the product. Brian

Herr DoktorB.... I have a friend who, due to hardware constraints, had never seen the demo running anywhere near optimum. In fact, he had seen it "running" (if that is the correct term) at below what will be minimum specs. His comments were, naturally, not complimentary...in fact, one could say that he was somewhat derisive about the sim. Last week he was able to upgrade his equipment....still not the optimum (we aren't all millionaires!) but to a level that will certainly enable him to enjoy the sim. He is now enraptured and enthralled by the experience and will sell his wife and children for scientific experiments in order to be able to buy the game when it's released. I am sure that his e***ment and anticipation will be echoed ten thousand times over.

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> Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? > If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS > "rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. > I was just a little curious to find out if the arcade-racers who frequent > this group (we have to welcome everyone...) are even interested in GPL, or > have they dismissed it as being "a boring sim"? > If you haven't downloaded the new track..are you planning to?.. are you > planning to buy GPL when it comes out.. or could you care less? > just curious.. > doktorB > http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl [address restored] > For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), release date updates, and more!

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

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>Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. >I was just a little curious to find out if the arcade-racers who frequent >this group (we have to welcome everyone...) are even interested in GPL, or >have they dismissed it as being "a boring sim"? >If you haven't downloaded the new track..are you planning to?.. are you >planning to buy GPL when it comes out.. or could you care less? >just curious.. >doktorB >http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl >For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), release date updates, and

more! I have not yet gotten the demo to work properly on my new pentium 400. I have nothing but sound problems & I hope this is only a demo problem. I will purchase gpl when it comes out as I do any driving game or sim when it comes out.

Hi, I tried it at work one day! :) We had P233's there, compared to the P120 I'am using right now! That should change in a couple of days when I pick up my AMD K6-2 333! And I will finally get to see what this 3d acceleration thing is all about too! Hopefully I'll get to try GPL on this system soon, if I can get it to work in Win98! I'll be defently picking up the game as soon as it is released! Later, John

>He is now enraptured and enthralled by the experience and will sell his >wife and children for scientific experiments in order to be able to buy >the game when it's released. >I am sure that his e***ment and anticipation will be echoed ten >thousand times over. The wifes and kids however....expect a major increase of divorces the next couple of months.... Remco

I tried it when it the Demo came out, but now I have Win98 and I'm dead in the water with GPL. I guess I'll wait for it to come out. Jim

>Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS I haven't tried it yet and have no intention of doing so. Old F1 cars just don't appeal to me I guess. If you say so. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

Yes, I played the original demo for quite a while. I have not downloaded Monaca, or played it since installing win98, just haven't taken the time to make the changes necessary to get it to run in win98. I will be buying it as soon as it hits the shelves though. -- Don Burnette Palmetto Racing Dburn on Ten AOLL Iroc Series Administrator http://pages.southtech.net/palmetto/aoll.htm >Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. snip

> Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? > If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS > "rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. Okay, I'll take the bait... No. I haven't played GPL yet. Why? Well, last year, after spending some fair amount of change upgrading to a (then) higher-end machine... the demo hit the streets. At first I was interested, until I read how "choppy" it was on similiar machines as mine. Remember, I had just spent $$ to get a machine that N2 runs fluidly with lots of eye candy... and now I have to start all over again? No thanks... I wasn't interested in DL'ing a demo that would make me disgusted with my new machine. Of course, now that PII400+ machines are out... guys are saying how smooth it is... but I'm not ready to sink more $$ into *** at this time. Answer to first question: I'm not an "arcade" racer. Answer to second question: No, I wouldn't say it looks boring. It looks like it would be fun sim. HOWEVER... from all that I've read about it's difficulty level. I'm now beginning to wonder if I will EVER want to invest that much time and frustration into simply learing to drive the sim. No. Maybe. (To "stockpile" until the time that I might upgrade again.) Well, it's not that I don't CARE. It's just that I don't want to start spending hefty dollars to bring my (only) 1-year old machine up to spec to run it acceptably. Not when I have three sims on it now that run excellently, and that I haven't exhausted as yet (N2, ICR2, GP2). Actually, I guess it's disheartening that no matter HOW MUCH you spend on a machine...it's only good for about a year... and then the next generation of sims/games will have you back at the bottom of the food chain... only to start the cycle all over again. At some point, a guy has to say "it's enough". I guess, for me, that time has come with GPL. Understand... sort of like: inquiring minds want to know... huh? Andre Ming Still using a lowly P233MMX...

Yep, got Watkins Glen the day after ir first appeared on the net, (I was a bit slow!) and Monza two days after it first appeared (problems with my modem!).......Oh, bye the way, Thank You. I prefer sims, (GP1, GP2, F1RS, NASCAR, RAC Rally, Superbike World Championship, etc) but do enjoy arcade racers too (TOCA, Moto Racer, Motorhead, Screamer2, MTM, etc) I think no matter which you enjoy, you would be hard pushed to label GPL boring! it doesn't matter how good (or bad) you are at driving it, the fantastic driving and physics modelling is awesome, How can anybody *NOT* love it to bits!!!!! The very second I hear about it being released I will be at my local store, camping outside if necessary...... Hope your curiosity has now been satisfied.... 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

> No. I haven't played GPL yet. Why? Well, last year, after spending some > fair amount of change upgrading to a (then) higher-end machine... the > Andre Ming > Still using a lowly P233MMX... I'm running a K6-200 w/rendition V1000, and the demo runs perfectly. If you have a rendition card, it'll run fine. The released version will probably run better on a P233 w/rendition than ICR2 or N1 ran in SVGA on any computers available when they came out. -- ------------------------------------------------------ IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html ------------------------------------------------------

mine runs fine with a voodoo 1. i run a ppro 200 w/128 MB ram Joe Conklin For Central PA Online Gamers: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/network/5312/ For Grand Prix Legends: http://members.xoom.com/gplegends/ remove spam to repl y

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>> No. I haven't played GPL yet. Why? Well, last year, after spending some >> fair amount of change upgrading to a (then) higher-end machine... the >> Andre Ming >> Still using a lowly P233MMX... >I'm running a K6-200 w/rendition V1000, and the demo runs >perfectly. If you have a rendition card, it'll run fine. >The released version will probably run better on a P233 >w/rendition than ICR2 or N1 ran in SVGA on any computers >available when they came out. >-- >------------------------------------------------------ >IMPACT Motorsports >http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html >------------------------------------------------------

I didn't know that it was a requirement to play this demo if I frequent this NG. I haven't had the time yet this summer to try out the demo...I actually have a life (at least in the summer) outside of computers. I shall endeavour to pour every waking moment I have into playing GPL so that you might be happy. Mike

<snip> <snip> me too i have the marshmellos packed up and ready to go. i can't wait any longer, and from christmas my parents said that they will get me a wheel and pedal set (any ideas on which one to get?). until then i'm using the joystick. Joe Conklin For Central PA Online Gamers: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/network/5312/ For Grand Prix Legends: http://members.xoom.com/gplegends/ remove spam to reply

FWIW I used to have a P233MMX which I ran at 225Mhz, and GPL is fine on that system. That is with either a Rendition or a 3dFX card. If you don't have a 3D card then you may have a problem, but second hand ones are cheap enough. Cheers! John

I noticed there were a few messages here about people not downloading the demo because they: 1) have heard of "choppiness / poor frame rate / heard about steep system reqs 2) have Windows 98 and have heard that it does NOT work - THIS IS NOT TRUE !!! 3) are afraid that the game (sim!) is too hard to drive Answers to those points: 1) Minimum requirements for the demo: Windows 95, a Pentium 166MHz processor or better with 32MB of RAM and DirectX 5 are required to run this demo. You should also have the latest drivers for your video card installed. The recommended machine for the GPL demo is a Pentium 200MHz with 64MB of RAM and a Rendition or 3Dfx Voodoo card. -- If you don't have a 3dfx card, or Rendition card (Stealth II is $90 i think), then you will experience VERY poor frame rates.. Before I got my Stealth, I was playing at about 12-15 frames/sec (est), and I found it very difficult, but a wonderful experience anyhow. I have heard of people running it ok with as low as 20MB RAM.. but really, the minimum today is 32MB, and most new systems ship with 64MB.. 2) the GPL demo DOES work with Windows 98 ... it's just you have to do a couple of little fixes before you can get it working. It is MOST DEFINITELY worth the 5 minute procedure. (If you don't do the fix, GPL will either not run at all, or else will run with distorted sound and extrememly fast framerate (unplayable)). I have complete instructions on my website http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl ) for installation help of the demo. Furthermore if you have any additional problems, please email me and I'll try and help you problem solve.. Bottom line is that it DOES work, it just takes a little tweaking.. And PLEASE NOTE: The final release of Grand Prix Legends WILL work on Windows 98 .. it is just the demo that is not compatible.. it was made before Win98 was released) 3) If you have heard that GPL is too hard to drive, this may be for a couple of reasons: - poor framerate - obviously, if you are only getting 10-15 frames /sec on "software-only" mode, then you are missing out on 10-20 frames/sec of information. With a graphics accelerator card (3Dfx or Rendition), smooth framerates are possible on even a P-166. And of course, 16 MB of RAM just doesn't cut it any more. - the fact that the car handles "realistically". It took me 2 days before I completed one lap without a spin (in "software" mode). Just take things nice and slow.. Use the GP3 car to start off (You wouldn't do well if you hopped in a real F1 car, either!). Don't try to fastlap.. just get a feel for the car first. Drive fast on the straight sections, and brake EARLY for the corners.. Tip-toe around the corners. Then, gradually move your braking points later.. Before you know it, you'll be pulling off 1:15-1:20's at the Glen (not up there with the record holders, but a damn lot better than 1:45's). - the demo setup is FAR FROM OPTIMAL - the beta testers found that there was over 1 degree of postive camber on the wheels - it shoudl be something like -0.5. This means the car does NOT handle all that well. (But even so, people are still doing times just as fast as the Beta team has managed WITH a good setup!). - lack of determination/ DISCIPLINE (see above... don't press too hard)/time (it takes a while to get good!) GPL SHOULD be shipping by September 30th (confirmed everywhere EXCEPT Sierra N. America!! - they are slow to update there website- it even says "Spring, 1998" on one page!) So if you want a headstart (to get a feel for the tracks (Watkins Glen and Monza are available), start practicing now. The final release will feel very different, as the car setups will have been improved, the tyre modelling physics will have been implemented, and the whole thing tweaked or redone.. Anyhow.. that's all for now.. doktorB http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), installation help, release date updates, and more! ----

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>Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. >I was just a little curious to find out if the arcade-racers who frequent >this group (we have to welcome everyone...) are even interested in GPL, or >have they dismissed it as being "a boring sim"? >If you haven't downloaded the new track..are you planning to?.. are you >planning to buy GPL when it comes out.. or could you care less? >just curious..

That's the spirit, Mike!! I never said you HAD to.. just suggested you DO IT.. (If you don't I'll come over to your house and give you the beats.. so watch out!!) doktorB ... (I DID put my life on hold for GPL!!) http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), installation help, release date updates, and more! ----

doktorB wrote Dan, I would guess from what I know on the NROS that many of the people actually don't care about GPL just because they are more of a stock-car drivers... If we take per example the NROS, many of those "rednecks" (heh) actually do not race tracks like Darlington or Nazareth just because they find them too difficult. Or course, remember that its not everybody with a wheel in front of a PC that has the racing abilities or experience to be good, but if they can't master an easy oval track on the NROS, I doubt they will have fun with GPL. Well, maybe having fun crashing ;-) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

"Bruce #33"... it was him.. wasn't it. He's the only friend you've got, you nut!! Don't worry, Mr. Kennewell, the Bunny will be back.. very shortly.. (he was your friend too, right?) Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.. he's been practicing at Mosport.. my scanner is working now.. pics to usual place in the next week.. pass the word on to Phil !! doktorB http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), release date updates, and more! ----- >Herr DoktorB.... >I have a friend....

>Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. I would *love* to be playing the GPL demo especially the Monza track, BUT... damn Winblows98 won't allow me to run it, I've tried the "Win98 fix" which didn't work for me :P And yes I need to run Win98, my i740 AGP video card wouldn't work with Win95 OSR1 OSR2 or OSR2.1 I did get a bunch of running time on the Watkins Glenn track before upgrading Windoze so I'm eagerly awaiting the release of GPL (which will be Win98 friendly from what I hear) Also there's lots of us out here that are both realistic sim fans and arcadish racing game fans (NFS etc). Seeyas in my crosshairs. --John Quake2: Kl_LavaBoy_AGQ2

That's right my friend.. the FUZZY pink bunny (I believe it was the "lepus fuzziwuzzy canadianus" type).... He'll be making a return appearance to a newsgroup near you in the near future... Can't wait, can you!! doktorB >OH GOD! >NOT THE PINK BUNNY!!!!!!

I hate to follow up my own post but I just tried again the Win98 install procedure from your web page and... IT WORKED! Thanks a lot, I will be trying out Monza next yahoo! Seeyas in my crosshairs. --John Quake2: Kl_LavaBoy_AGQ2 Kludger_LavaBoy

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>>Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? >>If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS >>"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. >I would *love* to be playing the GPL demo especially the Monza track, >BUT... damn Winblows98 won't allow me to run it, I've tried the "Win98 fix" >which didn't work for me :P >And yes I need to run Win98, my i740 AGP video card wouldn't work with >Win95 OSR1 OSR2 or OSR2.1 >I did get a bunch of running time on the Watkins Glenn track before >upgrading Windoze so I'm eagerly awaiting the release of GPL (which will >be Win98 friendly from what I hear) >Also there's lots of us out here that are both realistic sim fans and arcadish >racing game fans (NFS etc). >Seeyas in my crosshairs. >--John Quake2: Kl_LavaBoy_AGQ2

Thank you, LavaBoy for the endor***t... If you follow my instructions STEP-by-STEP GPLwill work with Windows 98!! (Now, if you have the Monza ** CD ** that's another story! Just email me and I'll help you out.. I've got that one fixed up too!) doktorB doktorB .... (I put my life on hold for GPL!!) http://webhome.idirect.com/~drbryan/gpl [address restored] For the GPL track files, FAQ (I've got it!), installation help, release date updates, and more! -----

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>I hate to follow up my own post but I just tried again the Win98 install >procedure from your web page and... IT WORKED! >Thanks a lot, I will be trying out Monza next yahoo! >Seeyas in my crosshairs. >>I would *love* to be playing the GPL demo especially the Monza track, >>BUT... damn Winblows98 won't allow me to run it, I've tried the "Win98

fix" >>which didn't work for me :P

In Canada, where? :) That reminds me what happened to "Le Chicken" (or whatever) who seemed to be r.a.s's "spokeschicken" for a while! :) I know, I read this group *WAY* too much! Later, John

John, Why did you under clock the 233 ;-) Mark

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>>Andre Ming >>Still using a lowly P233MMX... >FWIW I used to have a P233MMX which I ran at 225Mhz, and GPL is fine >on that system. That is with either a Rendition or a 3dFX card. >If you don't have a 3D card then you may have a problem, but second >hand ones are cheap enough. >Cheers! >John

That's a shame. > I haven't tried it yet and have no intention of doing so. Old > F1 cars just don't appeal to me I guess. -- Regards, Bruce. ----------

OH GOD! NOT THE PINK BUNNY!!!!!! > "Bruce #33"... it was him.. wasn't it. He's the only friend you've got, you > nut!! > Don't worry, Mr. Kennewell, the Bunny will be back.. very shortly.. (he was > your friend too, right?) -- Regards, Bruce. ----------

Do you guys at least go in the reverse direction to unwind a bit now and then? Don't you get giddy? I just don't know how anyone can race almost exclusively on ovals!

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> >If you haven't downloaded the new track..are you planning to?.. are you > >planning to buy GPL when it comes out.. or could you care less? > I played the demo briefly when it first came out only to get a feel for what > Nascar 3 would be like. I personally don't care much about road racing and > don't plan on buying the product. > Brian

> I haven't tried it yet and have no intention of doing so. Old > F1 cars just don't appeal to me I guess. This was my attitude when I first heard about it. I look on you as someone who has just walked past a pot of gold totally in oblivion! I find it hard to believe that you have not even had a quick peak/go. Give yourself an hour and you'll be hooked! Forget what you "guess"!

Gee, it's a wonder someone with a "life" like yours wastes his time on this NG with the likes of us! Are all the playboy bunnys sick and all your race cars garaged after a spat of dirty fuel?

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> >Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet?? > >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS > >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product. > I didn't know that it was a requirement to play this demo if I > frequent this NG. I haven't had the time yet this summer to try out > the demo...I actually have a life (at least in the summer) outside of > computers. I shall endeavour to pour every waking moment I have into > playing GPL so that you might be happy. > Mike

At 225 it'll run faster with the 75MHz bus speed, as opposed to the > John, > Why did you under clock the 233 ;-) -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:48:54 +0100, "Mark Fisher" >Why did you under clock the 233 ;-) Shocking, isn't it? :-) Actually I had a switch installed on the case which flicked between "x3" and "x3.5" and had the system setup for 75Mhz bus. That meant I could change between 225 and 263 at the flick of a switch. With the system at 233 I was already running "x3.5" and so could only go downward, hence my use of 75Mhz bus. Initially I ran the system at 225 for day-to-day stuff and 263 for GPL, but eventually it got to be tiring having to shut down and switch over, and to recalibrate joysticks every time. I then left it at 225 all the time which was fine for GPL. Cheers! John

>That's a shame. Not really. If I'm not interested, I see no point in forcing myself, just to hang with you fella's :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >> I haven't tried it yet and have no intention of doing so. Old >> F1 cars just don't appeal to me I guess. >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >----------

Hihihi Dan ! ;-) ROTF... He's still*** at Mosport that cutty'littly bunny ? He's running and running and running and... Hmm... errr..... well.... let's just say.... He's no longer of our world... Well probably still being digested in my stomach (I over-cooked him) ;-) (!!!!!!) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Well, I've been driving on this track a little more than is healthy. I am completely, ridiculously impressed with the physics engine in GPL, having been a sim fan for a while now I have some others to compare it to... (all the regular PC sims, including PSX's Gran Turismo)/.. GPL is the coolest!~ The only problem is that now I feel obligated to buy a steering wheel, after all this time.. the lowest Thomas wheel is $200+ and a new graphics card is at least $200. So, do I spend all of this money so that I can enjoy GPL in all it's glory? Or do I just suffer.....////// ps: I custom painted my Brabham Repco to look like Racer X's yellow car and I even painted my gearshift knob black with a little skull on it! no kidding! Rae see you at the 'ring!!!!!

> get me a > wheel and > pedal set (any ideas on which one to get?). until then i'm using the > joystick. If money is no object, an ECCI seems the best? Slightly lower down the scale I would say are a TSW or F1 Sim, good value for money wheels are any of the Thrustmaster series? and personally I would stay away from the *cheap* end of the market! 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

I'm only using a K6 200 (clocked to 225) with 64Mb a 3Dfx card (Voodoo1) and GPL runs great! Admittedly it may slow down a tad with AI, but it can be tweaked to allow for that? You really *must* try GPL, it will run fine on your pc.... 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

> Why did you under clock the 233 ;-) He is *not* underclocking his pc, he is *overbussing* it. The pc runs at a multiplier of 3.5 & a buspeed of 66 to achieve 233MHz, (3.5 x 66 = 233) but if you lower the multiplier to 3 and change the bus speed to 75 the pc actually runs faster (3 x 75 = 225MHz) cos the busspeed has increased most of the important components in the pc by running at 75 rather than 66MHz. (Eg:- L2 cache, RAM, Video card & Hard disk) 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

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> He is *not* underclocking his pc, he is *overbussing* it. > The pc runs at a multiplier of 3.5 & a buspeed of 66 to achieve 233MHz, > (3.5 x 66 = 233) but if you lower the multiplier to 3 and change the > bus speed to 75 the pc actually runs faster (3 x 75 = 225MHz) cos the > busspeed has increased most of the important components in the pc by > running at 75 rather than 66MHz. (Eg:- L2 cache, RAM, Video card & Hard > disk) > 8-) > *Peter* 8-)

Hi Peter... Admittedly, about all I can do is add hardware/install software, however I find the above point "interesting". Got a few questions: I've heard my Intel P233MMX is limited to 66mhz bus speed internally, if so, how do you get around that? That is, if I bus up to 75mhz... my Intel will still operate at 66mhz. Is this right? Also, what about the 60mhz "refresh rate" on my monitor? Is this also a bottleneck? Assuming I can up my bus speed using Intel, does the monitor refresh rate have to be upped to match with a faster bus speed, and if so, how? Thanks... Andre

Depends, some Intel cpu's have been doctored by Intel so you cannot o/c them? Likewise some m/b's are better at o/c'ing than others? But you can still try it and see? the worst that will happen is that it will not work. You really need a m/b manual to see what your m/b can and cannot do? try changing the multiplier and/or the bus speed and see what happens? 225MHz will almost certainly be faster than 233MHz, and you may get up to 3.5 x 75 = 262MHz. The Monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with o/c your pc, it is merely the rate that the screen refresh is set to, and can be changed to many settings, BTW, 60 is a bit low, usually 75 or over is recommended? or some people can see the screen refreshing at that rate? By Increasing your bus speed you are increasing the video bus speed slightly (cos it runs at *half* the m/b bus speed - so at 66MHz the video bus runs at 33MHz, but at 75 it runs at 37.5MHz) But this usually isn't a problem, and doesn't affect the monitor refresh rate. The main problem with o/c'ing is heat, cos all the components are running faster they get hotter? so check the heat before you start, and then again after you have made the cahnges, As a guide (very rough guide I grant you!) If I cannot hold my hand on the cpu/heatsink while it is running, then it too hot. Usually if you suffer crashes or system hangs after o/c'ing it is cos its too hot, so try using a slightly slower setting? Also just try to increase the buspeed and cpu by one speed increase at a time, do not try and run it at 300 straight away or you may fry your pc internals? increase the muliplier and bus one click at a time and see what happens? NB: I accept no responsibility if it all goes wrong, it *is* a risk to take, don't do it unless you can afford to replace it..... 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

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> Depends, some Intel cpu's have been doctored by Intel so you cannot > o/c them? Likewise some m/b's are better at o/c'ing than others? But > you can still try it and see? the worst that will happen is that it > will not work. > You really need a m/b manual to see what your m/b can and cannot do? > try changing the multiplier and/or the bus speed and see what happens? > 225MHz will almost certainly be faster than 233MHz, and you may get up > to 3.5 x 75 = 262MHz. > The Monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with o/c your pc, it is > merely the rate that the screen refresh is set to, and can be changed > to many settings, BTW, 60 is a bit low, usually 75 or over is > recommended? or some people can see the screen refreshing at that > rate? > By Increasing your bus speed you are increasing the video bus speed > slightly (cos it runs at *half* the m/b bus speed - so at 66MHz the > video bus runs at 33MHz, but at 75 it runs at 37.5MHz) But this > usually isn't a problem, and doesn't affect the monitor refresh rate. > The main problem with o/c'ing is heat, cos all the components are > running faster they get hotter? so check the heat before you start, > and then again after you have made the cahnges, As a guide (very rough > guide I grant you!) If I cannot hold my hand on the cpu/heatsink while > it is running, then it too hot. Usually if you suffer crashes or > system hangs after o/c'ing it is cos its too hot, so try using a > slightly slower setting? > Also just try to increase the buspeed and cpu by one speed increase at > a time, do not try and run it at 300 straight away or you may fry your > pc internals? increase the muliplier and bus one click at a time and > see what happens? > NB: I accept no responsibility if it all goes wrong, it *is* a risk to > take, don't do it unless you can afford to replace it.....

Peter... Thanks for the tips... I've now tried overbussing to 75mhz with zero problems. At this point I'm running at 225mhz on the CPU. Yes, my MB does allow for 75x3.5... I might give that a shot... after all, we're only talking a paltry 30 more mhz from my P233. Might try that later tonight. Again, thanks for the info. Andre

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>Hi, > I tried it at work one day! :) We had P233's there, compared to the >P120 I'am using right now! That should change in a couple of days when I >pick up my AMD K6-2 333! And I will finally get to see what this 3d >acceleration thing is all about too! Hopefully I'll get to try GPL on >this system soon, if I can get it to work in Win98! I'll be defently >picking up the game as soon as it is released! >Later, >John

Hey! Don't you know there's a limited supply of exclamation marks! They will soon run out if you're not careful! Better beware! All the best! Uwe! <ducking for cover!> -- Spam-proof e-mail: Uwe Schuerkamp <hoover at telemedia . de> http://www.telemedia.de/~hoover ////// Phone: +49-5241-80-10-66 Best of Scottish Folk: http://home.pages.de/~nsg >>> Blue Ribbon Campaign: Support Free Speech on the Internet <<<

Opps!!!!! I forgot about that!!!!!!!!!!!! <Windows error: "you have just run out of exlamation marks!!!"> <news reader crashes> :) Later, John

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>> Hey! Don't you know there's a limited supply of exclamation marks! >> They will soon run out if you're not careful! Better beware! >> All the best! >> Uwe! >> <ducking for cover!> >Opps!!!!! I forgot about that!!!!!!!!!!!! <Windows error: "you have just >run out of exlamation marks!!!"> <news reader crashes> :)

Now, if you ever see such a detailed error message in a crash on windows, call me again. ;-) Uwe -- Spam-proof e-mail: Uwe Schuerkamp <hoover at telemedia . de> http://www.telemedia.de/~hoover ////// Phone: +49-5241-80-10-66 Best of Scottish Folk: http://home.pages.de/~nsg >>> Blue Ribbon Campaign: Support Free Speech on the Internet <<<