GP3 first screen shots...........

Picked up this weeks PcGamer, and in their advert for next month they are promising screen shots of the long awaited GP3, which according to Microprose "still and never will be released". Maybe when they release it they can put a non disclosure agreement with it :) Anyhow After the last fiasco of Gp2, steps need to be taken so we the general public don't get ripped off by microprose again. Don't buy GP3 until all the following are met. 1) The release MUST be a full release not a beta where promised features where disabled. 2) The release must NETWORK. And for once in a racing game be able to race full seasons over a network. 3) Full support for 3d Cards i can probably think of more stuff but the top 3 are at the top of my list. Btw if you don't believe me about the beta bit them check your gp2.exe. Load it into an editor and search for "wet" nitehawk.vcf < 1K Download

On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 16:58:55 +0100, Simon Edwards >Don't buy GP3 until all the following are met. >1) The release MUST be a full release not a beta where promised features >where disabled. Aw crap, not this again. Go to Dejanews and read the millions of responses already made to the above. Alternatively, cast your mind back to F1GP and try and remember how many races, practice sessions, hotlaps, seasons etc you did. Now try and remember how many of those were done in the wet. Divide figure "B" by figure "A", and I think you'll be surprised at how far below 1% it actually is. Driving in the wet is really not fun, and I used to hate it when F1GP threw me a wet race spit-ball in the middle of a season. It's really not such a big loss from GP2. Now if it were done to perfection in GP3 it might be nice, but I doubt it was missed all that much in GP2 (except in this group of course, where everything is "ROCKZ!!!!" or "SUCKS!!!!!" - there is no inbetween. Cheers! John

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> <snip> > Don't buy GP3 until all the following are met. > 1) The release MUST be a full release not a beta where promised > features > where disabled. > 2) The release must NETWORK. And for once in a racing game be able to > race full seasons over a network. > 3) Full support for 3d Cards > i<snip>

Nope, as soon as GP3 hits the streets, I will be busting to get in the store to buy it! GP2 had no wet wx. no 3DFX, no decent multiplay, no backup from Micropose, it needed a monster spec PC to run it (when first released). All that apart it, is still the best damb F1 (or any) sim available to date. Lets face it, nothing else comes close! Geoff Crammond is God, we should be grateful if GP3 is offered to us mere mortals..... Ok, so am getting a bit carried away! I will climb off my soap box...... Jammer UK

You've just subscribed to that about which you complain, John. Driving in the wet "SUCKS", huh? No "in-between"? > Driving in the wet is really not fun, and I used to hate it when F1GP > threw me a wet race spit-ball in the middle of a season. It's really > not such a big loss from GP2. Now if it were done to perfection in GP3 > it might be nice, but I doubt it was missed all that much in GP2 > (except in this group of course, where everything is "ROCKZ!!!!" or > "SUCKS!!!!!" - there is no inbetween. -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 21:46:21 +1000, Bruce Kennewell >You've just subscribed to that about which you complain, John. >Driving in the wet "SUCKS", huh? No "in-between"? Eh? Now where did I say that? Go easy on the cough syrup there Bruce. ;-) Cheers! John

Please explain this (for stupid ppl lie me)

>You've just subscribed to that about which you complain, John. >Driving in the wet "SUCKS", huh? No "in-between"? Eh Bruce...I've to agree with John here, the wet weather in F1RS is not fun. I'm still puzzling what that WOOOOSH sound is, when turning in. The graphics are OK, but after 15 minutes, you don't notice that anymore, and you're anoyed with the lack of physics and AI. (The AI drives as fast through Eau Rouge at Spa, as if it is dry!) Remco

Please explain this (for stupid ppl like me)

On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 07:09:26 +1000, Bruce Kennewell >Well, you said that you didn't like it, so I assumed that "didn't like" >translated to "sucks"! :o) Nah. I can dislike something without deeming it "suckworthy", but I'm sure everyone else's interpretation will be different. I just dislike the tendency toward all or nothing, good or bad, suckz or roolz. Of course some things do suck and some do rule (in a manner of speaking), but I don't think everything can. Anyway, F1RS' weather wasn't bad at all, certainly by far the best we've seen. It's just that I don't think the lack of weather in GP2 really detracted from it that much. If racing in the rain is so many times harder than normal, I think we have a ways to go before we're ready for a truly accurate simulation of it. Maybe get a big model of the back of a McLaren and see how quickly we can take evasive action. That then leads into the "pits fisticuffs" sim... :-) Cheers! John

Well, you said that you didn't like it, so I assumed that "didn't like" translated to "sucks"! :o)

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> On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 21:46:21 +1000, Bruce Kennewell > >You've just subscribed to that about which you complain, John. > >Driving in the wet "SUCKS", huh? No "in-between"? > Eh? Now where did I say that? Go easy on the cough syrup there Bruce. > ;-) > Cheers! > John

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

John said this:- "Driving in the wet is really not fun, and I used to hate it when F1GP threw me a wet race spit-ball in the middle of a season. It's really not such a big loss from GP2....." which I interpret as him saying that driving in the wet "sucks"! I didn't say that I *disagree*!!! > Eh Bruce...I've to agree with John here, the wet weather in F1RS is > not fun. I'm still puzzling what that WOOOOSH sound is, when turning > in. The graphics are OK, but after 15 minutes, you don't notice that > anymore, and you're anoyed with the lack of physics and AI. (The AI > drives as fast through Eau Rouge at Spa, as if it is dry!) -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

> >Btw if you don't believe me about the beta bit them check your gp2.exe. > >Load it into an editor and search for "wet" > Please explain this (for stupid ppl like me) There is lots of text (and code presumably) that isn't used in the game. Other example: load the soundfile into CoolEdit and listen. You'll hear radio messages and other stuff. The game was rushed to the stores in (andvanced) beta-status in my opinion. MP didn't want to wait any longer after building so much pre-release interest. And they were strapped for cash at that time (if I remember well). It's still the best _simulator_ IMHO, but the graphics and sounds are a bit outdated now. I can only hope that GP3 builds on the physics model employed in GP2, but adds spectacular graphics, crashes and changing weather. (Can you imagine: hot air rising from the tarmac as you see the slightly deformed cars rushing towards you? Or re-enacting the Schumacher-Coulthard crash?) Cheers, Erik.

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>John said this:- >"Driving in the wet is really not fun, and I used to hate it when F1GP >threw me a wet race spit-ball in the middle of a season. It's really >not such a big loss from GP2....." >which I interpret as him saying that driving in the wet "sucks"! >I didn't say that I *disagree*!!!

He, I'm Dutch! May I use my lack of Englisch as an excuse? :-) Remco

Yep! :o) > He, I'm Dutch! May I use my lack of Englisch as an excuse? :-) -- Regards, Bruce. ----------

Whatever eventually appears in any PC magazine, it can all be taken with a pinch of salt. I remember when some PC magazine previewed GP2, stating that you had to see the fuid framerate to believe it. They also crapped on about how GP2 was currently running under the GLINT 3d chipset as an option. In fact the article turned out to be so far from reality, I doubt they even saw the product or spoke to anyone about it. It probably helped sell that particular issue though (I bought it after all). Luckily, I've realised these mags are full of it. They quite often state how great a game looks in xy resolution without that resolution actually being available in the game!! Bring back the days of ZZap64. Entertaining, accurate and no pandering to big bucks advertising. Bazza

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>On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 07:09:26 +1000, Bruce Kennewell >>Well, you said that you didn't like it, so I assumed that "didn't like" >>translated to "sucks"! :o) >Nah. I can dislike something without deeming it "suckworthy", but I'm >sure everyone else's interpretation will be different. I just dislike >the tendency toward all or nothing, good or bad, suckz or roolz. Of >course some things do suck and some do rule (in a manner of speaking), >but I don't think everything can. >Anyway, F1RS' weather wasn't bad at all, certainly by far the best >we've seen. It's just that I don't think the lack of weather in GP2 >really detracted from it that much. If racing in the rain is so many >times harder than normal, I think we have a ways to go before we're >ready for a truly accurate simulation of it. Maybe get a big model of >the back of a McLaren and see how quickly we can take evasive action. >That then leads into the "pits fisticuffs" sim... :-) >Cheers! >John

Actually the F1GP default for wet weather in F1GP is 6.25%. says...

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>On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 16:58:55 +0100, Simon Edwards >>Don't buy GP3 until all the following are met. >>1) The release MUST be a full release not a beta where promised features >>where disabled. >Aw crap, not this again. Go to Dejanews and read the millions of >responses already made to the above. >>Btw if you don't believe me about the beta bit them check your gp2.exe. >>Load it into an editor and search for "wet" >Alternatively, cast your mind back to F1GP and try and remember how >many races, practice sessions, hotlaps, seasons etc you did. Now try >and remember how many of those were done in the wet. Divide figure "B" >by figure "A", and I think you'll be surprised at how far below 1% it >actually is. >Driving in the wet is really not fun, and I used to hate it when F1GP >threw me a wet race spit-ball in the middle of a season. It's really >not such a big loss from GP2. Now if it were done to perfection in GP3 >it might be nice, but I doubt it was missed all that much in GP2 >(except in this group of course, where everything is "ROCKZ!!!!" or >"SUCKS!!!!!" - there is no inbetween. >Cheers! >John

>Actually the F1GP default for wet weather in F1GP is 6.25%. Hmmm, I thought a Brit would know rhetoric when he saw it... Cheers! John